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Danimate
20-11-2008, 17:21
Anybody miss the simplicity of the first Championship Manager game way back when. I still play it through DOS now.

Don't get me wrong the FM series has been great over the years and I've pretty much bought every incarnation and stayed loyal to the great team at Sports Interactive. I just feel that sometimes there is too much to get involved with nowadays. Like in CM93 you want to sign a player, you put a bid to the club - it's either accepted or rejected, next screen does the player want to join you if so then you sort out wages and it's a done deal. Or something like that.

No great involvement with finances at the club or really that much with training. I just don't always have enough time and effort to get the most out of it.

I love the new Transfer Rumours and News pages, great idea.

Just wondered what other peoples views are on the matter?

Cheers
Danimate

feedthegoat
20-11-2008, 17:55
This is where it all started for me.

Bought the game after much umming and arring from Software Plus just before Christmas '93. At the time I was into the more graphical Premier Manager series, but read a review in Amiga Format and decided to get it. I won't say I was instantly hooked because I wasn't, I absolutely detested the game, I thought it was awful and so lent it to my mate to have a go at, and he loved it, he struggled at first but soon mastered it, he gave me a masterclass and I took those tips away and began playing it again and over time began to get hooked on the game.

Then over the following years I purchased the two add-on packs (CM94 and EoS update) which I bought from a small independent store in Basildon, enjoyed both of these although found the EoS update a little disappointing as it was impossible to buy foreign players.

If I had never had read that review by chance in that Amiga Format magazine, I wonder how long it would have taken me to pick up on games like CM2 and CM97/98?

Great days.

VonBlade
20-11-2008, 17:59
although found the EoS update a little disappointing as it was impossible to buy foreign players.

So true. That damn "Gary Lineker is not for sale" screen. YARGH!!

swisso
20-11-2008, 18:05
I do miss the simplicity!

I started with 99/00 when i was in 16 and i got my first pc, Celeron 400mhz with 128mb of ram and a 4gb disk. The glory days of Saviola, Riquelme and Aimar where your players went off injured if they hit more than 100 passes !!

Simplicity at its best. You chose your team based on their stats and picked your tactic and left it at that.

The next few years are going to be instrumental to the future of Football Manager. The game of football hasn't changed a lot since CM was created and there's only so far FM can go before it begins to mirror the real-life game too much and people become frustrated and bogged down in options and controls.

achurchill
20-11-2008, 18:09
CM93 was great at the time, and yes, if you want simple NOW, you'd play that.

We look back on it as being simple, but back then when we were actually playing it, was it REALLY that simple? I'd be inclined to say that in it's day it was still quite a complex game to get your head around if you wanted to play it properly. There was a lot less choice in who you could manage and which players you could buy, but there were still win bonuses, finances, and tactics to keep on top of. That the match engine was so basic meant that you could essentially play the same tactic for every league/team and be successful. In my view, that's not very good :)

Over time, we've continued to push the boundaries of our brain power when it comes to sims and strategy games, and as such the games need to continue to evolve to test our limits. Give it another 15 years and look back on FM2009 and you'll probably be saying the same thing about it that you are now saying about CM93 :) You can say the same about the original Sim City and the more recent ones.

Or even more recently, the difference between The Sims and The Sims 2?

#4
20-11-2008, 18:11
Ah yes...simplicity.

I started out properly on CM96/97 which i bought as a "classic". It came in the double cd case (even though it only had 1 disc).

My parents wouldn't stump up 30 for the 97/98 version, so i bought the older one cheaply and i have been hooked since!

I remember when there were no scouts, just the transfer list screen. And who can forget the background pictures. What a feature that was!!!! I will always remember the selhurst park photo.....i could never beat Wimbledon away for some reason!

Having said that i busted out 99/00 (or maybe it was 00/01 - the one with the red case) a while back. Although it was nice to whizz through i did miss some of the features i would class as mundane such as the media, protracted transfer dealings and the in depth player personalities.

SucksAtFM
20-11-2008, 18:21
Cm93 - so many memories. Ade Akinbiyi, Jason Kaminsky, Christian Vieri, Christopher N'Wosu....great players. Wonder what ever happened to Kaminsky (he was at Forrest in the game) and N'Wosu. I do love the newer FM games but if you want it a bit more simpler then you should try the PSP versions. Hooked on the new PSP version right now.

LongTimeComing
20-11-2008, 18:22
CM 97/98 was just awesome.

feedthegoat
20-11-2008, 18:26
Cm93 - so many memories. Ade Akinbiyi, Jason Kaminsky, Christian Vieri, Christopher N'Wosu....great players. Wonder what ever happened to Kaminsky (he was at Forrest in the game) and N'Wosu. I do love the newer FM games but if you want it a bit more simpler then you should try the PSP versions. Hooked on the new PSP version right now.

Jason Kaminsky :RIP: (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article575246.ece)

mlawrence00
20-11-2008, 19:14
I kinda miss the simpler versions - i sometimes get frustrated with press conferences etc...

Danimate
20-11-2008, 19:30
The thing about the press Conferences is that I don't want to upset any of my players by saying the wrong thing. :p

As for players I used to sign on CM93. Whenever I managed Luton I would always sign Kevin Francis. You were guaranteed at least 25 goals each season from him.

CaptainPlanet
20-11-2008, 19:33
Tactics were so complicated :) (http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9550/tacticsfc1.jpg)

nerner
20-11-2008, 19:35
Tactics were so complicated :) (http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9550/tacticsfc1.jpg)

Heehee
(1010)

Ozzy38
20-11-2008, 20:04
I say get CM 93/94 as it has real players. I have been playing it regularly recently, continuing my Man Utd game. I'm in the 2008/2009 season. My other save is Brighton and Hove Albion (home town), which I promoted up to a yo-yo Premiership club from Division 2. Nogan is awesome! That's in the late 90s though.

Once I played a game up to the 2030s, so about 40 years. Even the managers had all retired.

The European Cup is much more ruthless in format and competition, especially as the game starts only just after the ban. In the Man Utd game I reached the final in '99 or 2000 but lost it and thus The Treble to, yes, Bayern Munich. I won the Euro Cup finally in 2005, beating Porto. :D

Also I won the Premiership 7 times in a row after the first season.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/ozzyoscar/cm.jpg

Be fine with providing any screenie requests of pics for my 2008/2009 game, or perhaps the other save for any Seagull fans out there.

The Man Utd save has a couple of records gone before the last few seasons as I moved the save game from one comp to this one.

It works fine on XP, although for some reason it's stopped working now so I use DOSBox.

makavelithedon23
20-11-2008, 20:22
Happy, happy days back then!

scrawney
20-11-2008, 20:57
My first CM was CM2 when I was 6, I played through as Blackburn and won the Charity Shield and League Cup in my first season. I still played it up until CM 00/01 because I wasn't interested in the other CM's. But after CM4 I lost interest because the 2d pitch added so much more to the series. But IMO FM has taken the genre to such dizzy heights that I don't think I could go back to the old CM's but I will always have the fond memories.

Niall-Hi
20-11-2008, 20:59
Anybody miss the simplicity of the first Championship Manager game way back when. I still play it through DOS now.

Don't get me wrong the FM series has been great over the years and I've pretty much bought every incarnation and stayed loyal to the great team at Sports Interactive. I just feel that sometimes there is too much to get involved with nowadays. Like in CM93 you want to sign a player, you put a bid to the club - it's either accepted or rejected, next screen does the player want to join you if so then you sort out wages and it's a done deal. Or something like that.

No great involvement with finances at the club or really that much with training. I just don't always have enough time and effort to get the most out of it.

I love the new Transfer Rumours and News pages, great idea.

Just wondered what other peoples views are on the matter?

Cheers
Danimate

I recently discovered the wonder of DOSBOX, where I can now run all the classic CM series on my Mac!!! Absolutely amazing piece of software.

achurchill
20-11-2008, 21:04
Tactics were so complicated :) (http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9550/tacticsfc1.jpg)

well, 5 different styles, can't remember how many formations it gave you, not to mention being able to push people forward or backwards, etc...We probably didn't need to adjust them much to win games, but that was down to a lacking Match Engine rather than lack of options in changing things. Not complicated by todays standards, but back then, other games only had a couple of formations, and no mention of the various styles and no individual player "running movements".

CaptainPlanet
20-11-2008, 21:06
Well obviously I'm comparing it to now. And obviously it was way ahead of anything else at the time, just like it is now. :)

But it was a much simpler time, and I don't know many people who failed at the game.

Niall-Hi
20-11-2008, 21:09
I was thinking not that long ago that a Symbian adaptation of this would be awesome as a mobile phone game. I'd pay for it!

SmurfDude
20-11-2008, 21:21
I don't miss it in the slightest. I think it's great that I am currently living at the peak of technology and I believe things should move forward, not backwards. Nostalgia has a funny way of fooling people into thinking something was perhaps better than it really was. Yes I had fun whizzing through seasons in a couple hours, but now I crave depth and like to feel involved in my teams success, this is what FM gives me and I'm very content with it

03bault
20-11-2008, 21:24
I don't miss it in the slightest. I think it's great that I am currently living at the peak of technology and I believe things should move forward, not backwards. Nostalgia has a funny way of fooling people into thinking something was perhaps better than it really was. Yes I had fun whizzing through seasons in a couple hours, but now I crave depth and like to feel involved in my teams success, this is what FM gives me and I'm very content with it
toooooo right

sotongomad76
20-11-2008, 23:21
I say get CM 93/94 as it has real players. I have been playing it regularly recently, continuing my Man Utd game. I'm in the 2008/2009 season. My other save is Brighton and Hove Albion (home town), which I promoted up to a yo-yo Premiership club from Division 2. Nogan is awesome! That's in the late 90s though.

Once I played a game up to the 2030s, so about 40 years. Even the managers had all retired.

The European Cup is much more ruthless in format and competition, especially as the game starts only just after the ban. In the Man Utd game I reached the final in '99 or 2000 but lost it and thus The Treble to, yes, Bayern Munich. I won the Euro Cup finally in 2005, beating Porto. :D

Also I won the Premiership 7 times in a row after the first season.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/ozzyoscar/cm.jpg

Be fine with providing any screenie requests of pics for my 2008/2009 game, or perhaps the other save for any Seagull fans out there.

The Man Utd save has a couple of records gone before the last few seasons as I moved the save game from one comp to this one.

It works fine on XP, although for some reason it's stopped working now so I use DOSBox.


I'd love to see some screenies!

Could you put up a premiership history, FA Cup history and perhaps the current 08-09 league table?

Ozzy38
20-11-2008, 23:37
Here ya go!

Premiership:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/ozzyoscar/prem.jpg

I missed out by one point last season. :(

F.A. Cup:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/ozzyoscar/fa.jpg

Current league table:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/ozzyoscar/table.jpg

We've been having scoring problems, I bought a not outstanding bloke called Flowers, hope he helps us! We usually have great form in the latter half of the season, thanks to me setting win bonuses.

I can never get a win against Torquay, always a draw. Grr.

Incidentally, England haven't won the Anglo-Italia Cup since 2002 (Chelsea) and England are rubbish in Europe (though we've done well), even the Cup Winners Cup.

bermybhoy
20-11-2008, 23:48
Then over the following years I purchased the two add-on packs (CM94 and EoS update) which I bought from a small independent store in Basildon, enjoyed both of these although found the EoS update a little disappointing as it was impossible to buy foreign players.




There was one version where you couldn't sell players to foreign teams, as the number of available players playing abroad filled up with playrs from England going elsewhere at the end of their contracts, and you would only ever see more go if you bought some 'foreigners' yourself. No AI teams bought thm, as I recall.

Then there was the whole other problem you mention in a different version, where it ended up with 'too few' and wouldn't let you buy them. Can't remember which order these problems came in though.

Speaking of all this, remember your players would only go abraod when their contract expired, and you'd get a fee set by tribunal? Was exciting to see how much you'd get for them...

Then Jean-Marc Bosman ruined it all.

Niall-Hi
20-11-2008, 23:52
Mark Collis and Ferrah Orosco anyone?

Niall-Hi
20-11-2008, 23:54
One of the problems with the old CM series that used to irk me was your squad reaching its maximum size after so many years and not being able to do anything to get rid of players to free up a spot.

And even if you did finally get someone to retire or leave, a youth player would suddenly appear and grab the spot.

parklife fc
20-11-2008, 23:55
my view is that the game has got soadvanced the casual player will walk away.........

I have to decide if i actaully have the time / effort required to put the 'work' in - surely there is scope for a difficulty level?

Not saying it has to be easy, medium, hard but could be -

Coach - where you literally pick the side, suggest/confirm transfers, training overview (want players to increase in which stats and tactics (or again basics such as 3-5-2 with attacking wide players)

Manager - as above but with more detail

Director of Football (boo hiss) - micro manage everything!

This would please all camps as people could wizz through a season in a few hours or be a detailed as they like!

But hey who wants to live in a perfect world huh?

rekluse
20-11-2008, 23:57
Ooo Aston Villa 2008 winners, game was close but 1 year off.

Neb
21-11-2008, 08:36
I definately miss CM97/08-CM01/02. They were fantastic games (nearly got me thrown out of A-levels/Uni...) I miss the times of 'to madeira'... Ronald Gomez, Assane N'Daiye and Chiotis (greek gk)

Its not so much the complexity, a complex game is fine as long as you can 'delegate' some of the bits to the assistant manager. The thing I find is that even if you could delegate a large portion of what you didn't want to be involved in to the AI, the game would still take a really long time to process. you basically be sat there watching the game churn through all the calculations.

I'd like a better holiday mode, where I can say what things I want to be involved in, the assistant deals with everything else. that way you'd keep the 'waiting to play' time to a minimum and fly through the seasons.

sotongomad76
21-11-2008, 08:47
Thanks Ozzy :)

The Crazy Gang winning the league in 93-94 ;)

I remember Cantona, Lee Sharpe and Darren Caskey being immense in that game. I also remember Aldershot were almost always promoted to the football league at the end of the first season (conference wasn't playable obviously), either them or 'Windsor'- whoever they are. The European Cup format iirc was 2 groups of four after qualifiers, with the players in foreign sides being called 'No 1' 'No 2' etc

Happy days.

Danimate
21-11-2008, 15:39
I can't remember how many seasons I had played on CM93 or CM94 but I was Luton Town in the Premiership and had the likes of Robbie Fowler up front, Giggs on the Wing, Gary McAllister in the centre of midfield. Wished I had kept a screenshot of it. Was quite impressive. I think it must have been about 1998-1999 by then.
I fully intend on taking the mighty Hatters to the top of Premiership in FM09. May take me a few seasons though. As long as I'm not in the Conference next season.

clovis_kanda87
21-11-2008, 17:17
Mark Collis and Ferrah Orosco anyone?

On the Amiga? I kinda remember hearing about them I think.....not sure....but I think it was them

bored101
21-11-2008, 18:23
well i love how it gets more 'complicated' every year i love spending hours trying to figure out the best tactics for team and players. i love the financial side of the game and love how you can make transfer & contract negotiations as real as possible. if football manager ever became simple again i would probaly loose intrest because it wouldnt be enjoyable in my oppinion for a quick season with easy settings.

also i would hate it if they made difficulty settings that would really put me off fm if they did that.

SucksAtFM
22-11-2008, 21:47
Jason Kaminsky :RIP: (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article575246.ece)

:( poor guy

Rams_
22-11-2008, 22:03
I remember 97/98, was that the one where Middlesbrough were in Division 1 with players like Merson and Emerson.

Stockport also had 2 great players I would always sign at the beginning Tony Dinning and some other guy.

bobatwal
22-11-2008, 23:19
cm 1 was good

GavinZac
22-11-2008, 23:22
I put my immortal copy of CM97/98 into DOSBox, put DOSBox into DropBox and now I can play my CM9798 game whereever, whenever :)

Niall-Hi
23-11-2008, 00:21
I put my immortal copy of CM97/98 into DOSBox, put DOSBox into DropBox and now I can play my CM9798 game whereever, whenever :)

Awesome. Dosbox has to be the greatest invention the software world has ever seen.

Niall-Hi
23-11-2008, 00:22
One of the problems with the old CM series that used to irk me was your squad reaching its maximum size after so many years and not being able to do anything to get rid of players to free up a spot.

And even if you did finally get someone to retire or leave, a youth player would suddenly appear and grab the spot.

So does anyone know of a fix for this problem? Did one ever exist?

Niall-Hi
23-11-2008, 00:24
One of the problems with the old CM series that used to irk me was your squad reaching its maximum size after so many years and not being able to do anything to get rid of players to free up a spot.

And even if you did finally get someone to retire or leave, a youth player would suddenly appear and grab the spot.


On the Amiga? I kinda remember hearing about them I think.....not sure....but I think it was them

Yeah they were superhuman players in the lower leagues. Think it was a cracked version of the Amiga disks or something. I remember my first introduction to CM93/94 or whatever it was at my friends on his Amiga 1200 - we would both rush to sign them first, for Blackburn or Man U.

seuden
23-01-2009, 15:16
Sorry to bump this thread.

I still play this all the time and I have a few tips and tricks for anyone interested.

First off, the formation.

You will no doubt win the league if you go with the following formation

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7315/championshipmanagertactoa8.jpg

All central positions which makes it a lot easier when looking for players and you will need less players in the squad because you wont need 2 right midfielder's or 2 left backs for cover, which will keep your wage bill down. You can play wingers and full backs in the anchor or support position in particular if you have Giggs, he is an awesome support player and generally scores loads of goals from that position. This formation gets me promoted and wins me the title every single year, I probably lose about 2-3 games a season and draw about 2-3. I've even won the European Cup with a third division team once promoted to the premiership, obviously with this formation, you cannot go wrong.

Another tip is to purchase players that are exactly 30 years of age and are worth plenty of cash (the reason they have to be 30 is as soon as they hit 31 their value decreases dramatically). Once the season comes to an end before you click on New Season make sure you transfer list the 30 year olds at the highest price you can and then make sure you have insured them. Then when you go to New Season they will retire and you will get their value to spend in the New Season. International players are the best ones to buy, especially if you can purchase them at the beginning of the season before they're called up. This way you can purchase them for a smaller price then when they get called up their value increases and therefore you can then list them and increase their value further. Make sure you insure them as they will retire and you will get nothing for them. This also frees up numbers from your squad for you to purchase other players, be warned tho as most of the time you will find that if you have a small squad then you'll see a lot of youngsters come through from the reserves.

I've heard many of times "I can't purchase a player on the foreign market", this may be a bug to do with your save game but in general you have to purchase them pre-season, preferably in the first week. The reason behind this was due to the foreign transfer market being only open for a few weeks back in the day, iirc. Unfortunately, Gazza and Platt are not available for at least 3-4 seasons but you can get them after this. Depending on what version you're playing Nii Lamptey (Nil Lamptey) is an awesome buy and highly recommended. You may also struggle to purchase from the foreign market due to the amount of players in it. Make sure you don't purchase too many foreigners as you won't be able to play them all if you're in the European Cup.

Let me also get this straight, you all may have heard of a cheat where if you name yourself as "Mr Bulgaria" blah de blah de blah and choose Tranmere you'll be given over 34m to spend, well, in fact, Tranmere have this amount of money anyway. I remember seeing this cheat in all the Amiga magazines back in the day and it's always bugged me, lol.

This is a screenshot of Tranmere's Info in a Demo game (no added managers). '94 Updated Version

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/6186/championshipmanagertranes0.jpg

I won't bother going into detail about players to buy as this takes away the fun of finding a great bargain etc, but Ceri Hughes at Luton normally wants to leave to go to a better club and he turns out to be an awesome player.

If I can think of any more tips I'll post them up.

Btw if you are familiar with WinUae then this is probably the best way to play as you can use the Warp Mode feature to speed everything up including the data crunching when starting a new season.

Mase
23-01-2009, 16:23
I think 95/96 was when i started playing CM...or 96/97...and yes I think it had a lot more appeal to it back then. I have bought every version of Champ manager since then up to the first Football manager when i thought the last version of Champ manager wasn't holding my addiction as much so I left the game for a while. I came back on the second football manager release and found it okay. The last one I have found okay. This latest I have bought and played one season, getting promoted from scottish 3rd division to the 2nd and have lost interest already. I havent played at all for about a month or so now and haven't missed it a bit or felt those cravings to play that i used to. That desire to build a team and feel familiar with all your players, tactics etc. Building youth teams who go on to star for your first team...it is just far too much hassle now. The tactics are far too in depth for the casual gamer because these days I have to work for a living and dont wanna spend 2 hours working out what tactics work and what dont. I feel bored as hell when i play it now. Even a 3d match engine does nothing for me. Just a "fifa" type cosmetic lift to a money making machine...which is fine all businesses have to make a profit. But come on of all the changes you could have made for this release, removal of arrows going sidewards and diagonally...addition of decimal points in player ratings...

Looks to me that ideas are running thin and there is no more atmosphere in the game anymore. It has actually become a glorified spreadsheet and database where. People may say the tactics now are more realistic than ever before but how you can implement tactics with a slider bar is beyond me...put any worldclass computer literate manager in the hotseat for a game of this and I'll bet he wont have a clue how to implement his own preferred tactics in a match winning formula!

Sorry to say, but I do feel better in doing so, my long love affair with CM/FM has finally come to an end. Dont get me wrong I'm not bashing any developers for ruining a great, fun, addictive game, you cant always get it right for everybody. Its just a simple case of, this isn't for me anymore. And I know I'm not the only one (PCGamer 60 something %)but I also know some people do enjoy the later incarnations so there you go. I just think the latest FM is one step too far into a game of mundane statistics that bores the hell outta me!

Danny80
20-03-2009, 13:00
As some of you already mentioned, I also play the CM93/94 game nowadays. And I must say, it is still lots of fun and still, after all these years you will find some new players who turns out to be good players. The settled players, like Giggs, Hutchison, Cantona and Shearer, are not difficult to buy, because you know that they will be killers.
But you have to play the game over and over again to find out what the good players are.

Maybe it is nice to compare with other CM93/94 players which players they often buy. My favourites are:
- Chris Bart-Williams (Shef.Wed.)
- Scott Houghton (Luton?)
- Ceri Hughes (Luton?)
- John Aldridge (Tranmere) --> old but good for goals
- Ged Brannan (?)
- Mark Pembridge (Derby)
- Phil Gray (?) superstriker !!

I always play with a sweeper, 2 central defenders, left-centre-right midfielders with the left and right one with an arrow back, a support man, and 2 wingers with the arrow back and one central striker. With Luton I got from Division 2 to the Premier championship in 3 years and every year with more than 100 goals.
I know that there are more good line-ups, but I think it is nice to compare good players with other people. So, what young players do you always buy?

Gilles Domoraud
20-03-2009, 13:22
Is there any way of running dos box on an Iphone?

I would love to play this on the go!

jayahr
20-03-2009, 15:06
Chris Bart-Williams is keen on the move.

One of my greatest ever moments ;)

That said, I wouldn't want to go back. As everyone of us could (0102 can be downloaded for free), I expect I'm not alone with that opinion.

coldpost22
20-03-2009, 15:24
Mark Collis and Ferrah Orosco anyone?

When reminiscing these to bolts of nostalgia will always pop up.

Cambridge if I remember rightly?

coldpost22
20-03-2009, 15:40
I remember 97/98, was that the one where Middlesbrough were in Division 1 with players like Merson and Emerson.

Stockport also had 2 great players I would always sign at the beginning Tony Dinning and some other guy.

Was it Aaron Wilbriham???

Svenc
20-03-2009, 16:44
At that point in time the CM series got pretty much universally panned in the press over here. Upon having taken a look now I can easyil see why. On The Ball or Football Limited are really superior games.

Still, SI have come a long way since back then.

Stevicus
20-03-2009, 16:48
At that point in time the CM series got pretty much universally panned in the press over here. Upon having taken a look now I can easyil see why. On The Ball or Football Limited are really superior games.

Still, SI have come a long way since back then.

I still have that disc hanging about my bedroom somewhere, first Footy manager i ever played, i only played it a few times though as i Didnt have my own computer.:D

heathxxx
20-03-2009, 18:09
Mark Collis and Ferrah Orosco anyone?

Oh yes. Always the first players I tried to sign, whatever team I played. ;)

Was a fantastic game it it's day, as have been all the games since, but nothing beats the latest releases for me.

zoopaloola
20-03-2009, 18:27
There was a near perfect balance of fun and detail with cm 03/04 in my opinion (having played since cm97/98). Time moves on and obviously it was bound to get more detailed, the problem for me is that a lot of the new detail/features is'nt implimented correctly in a manner that makes the game fun.

Too much of the media/press conferences and perhaps most importantly, team talks is boring, repetative and very confusing, so much so that many users tend to ignore these features altogether. Aside from the obvious improvements in match graphics, a lot of fm gamers are essentially playing cm 03/04 as they ignore most of the features introduced since then.

tigerhgrrrrrr
20-03-2009, 18:41
Im sure I read in the Amiga days that the CM creating team operated out of Bournemouth. Can anyone confirm?

ism-scfc
20-03-2009, 18:52
Stockport also had 2 great players I would always sign at the beginning Tony Dinning and some other guy.
Dindo was a legend. He came back to play for us a couple of years ago, but was a shadow of his former self. I'll never forget his winning penalty at Citeh.

Crusoe
20-03-2009, 19:07
Kenny Sansom was always an awesome one-season signing at left back. My Oldham side was unbeatable once I'd landed him and Ceri Hughes.

Of course, that game then led me on to CM Italia. I've still never, ever found as good a player as the magnificent Marco Piovanelli.

englandmanager
20-03-2009, 19:22
my all time favourite manager game was ultimate soccer manager - i just liked how the stadium designer worked and you could map out everything etc like burger stall locations and also newspaper reports came out about your team.

but now i love fm09 due to it's complex nature - it's much more satisfying once you've had 3-4 years of obscurity to winning your first trophy with the sense you've outwitted the AI

steviegman
20-03-2009, 22:25
if you play 4-3-3 with all 3 mids and strikers in the centre you win all the time at this game. I think i won the league every year with this

romayrag
25-03-2009, 18:56
I hear this game has been made available for free now. Anyone know if thats true and is so where i can get it

cruyff14
25-03-2009, 19:44
So true. That damn "Gary Lineker is not for sale" screen. YARGH!!

I actually got him once for Man Utd and Gazza at the same time

cruyff14
25-03-2009, 19:46
I would love to be able to get this game again with the update disk that had Klinnsmann at Spurs on it !

hassebasse80
25-03-2009, 20:47
I actually got him once for Man Utd and Gazza at the same time

Never managed to sign Gazza, did land David Platt on one save I think, 9 out of 10 saves back then I was Leyton Orient, cause I loved the name :o

Jops14
25-03-2009, 21:04
The first one i ever played was CM3 when i was about 5. I remember my brother used to visit and leave the game with me (as by that time the new one had come out). I been hooked ever since then and i don't think i've ever missed a version, my favorites were 00/01 and CM4, as that was actually the first one i ever won on. Some time si li9ke to go back and play the old ones with the knowledge of the best players lol.

qualitystreet
28-03-2009, 08:13
Would anybody download a database from CM93-94 if it were available?

seuden
03-04-2009, 14:46
Would anybody download a database from CM93-94 if it were available?
For up to date player names?

kashmirshazad
03-04-2009, 15:22
Wht if you made it up to date and included all the new data but left the match engine as it is, that would be brilliant.

seuden
10-06-2009, 12:34
That will never be done kashmirshazad. :(


Sorry for the bump. <3

9sublime
10-06-2009, 14:28
On the Sol Campbell screenie, whats the insurance thing about??

BigAmzz
10-06-2009, 17:04
does anyone know what cm it was that had sir bobby robson shaking someones hand as the background pic? as this was the first cm i ever played think it was 96 or 97??

Chris Ritchie
10-06-2009, 17:19
does anyone know what cm it was that had sir bobby robson shaking someones hand as the background pic? as this was the first cm i ever played think it was 96 or 97??

I'm pretty sure that was 97/98.

Chris Ritchie
10-06-2009, 17:25
On the Sol Campbell screenie, whats the insurance thing about??

You used to be able to insure your players in case they picked up injuries that required specialist surgery and rehabilitation.

Brian Shanahan
10-06-2009, 22:22
does anyone know what cm it was that had sir bobby robson shaking someones hand as the background pic? as this was the first cm i ever played think it was 96 or 97??

97/98 if memory serves me correct. Ah my first love.

seuden
11-06-2009, 09:09
On the Sol Campbell screenie, whats the insurance thing about??


You used to be able to insure your players in case they picked up injuries that required specialist surgery and rehabilitation.

True. It could also be used for the following


Another tip is to purchase players that are exactly 30 years of age and are worth plenty of cash (the reason they have to be 30 is as soon as they hit 31 their value decreases dramatically). Once the season comes to an end before you click on New Season make sure you transfer list the 30 year olds at the highest price you can and then make sure you have insured them. Then when you go to New Season they will retire and you will get their value to spend in the New Season. International players are the best ones to buy, especially if you can purchase them at the beginning of the season before they're called up. This way you can purchase them for a smaller price then when they get called up their value increases and therefore you can then list them and increase their value further. Make sure you insure them as they will retire and you will get nothing for them. This also frees up numbers from your squad for you to purchase other players, be warned tho as most of the time you will find that if you have a small squad then you'll see a lot of youngsters come through from the reserves.

celebritykiller
11-06-2009, 17:16
When reminiscing these to bolts of nostalgia will always pop up.

Cambridge if I remember rightly?

Cambridge it was indeed. Two testers they were if a remember correctly

It was incredibly diffficult to buy from abroad, it wasn't until CM Italia that they really cracked it... that was a gem of a game!

berty1978
11-06-2009, 17:36
Ah, the good old days, I also played the narrow 3-1-3-1-2 formation. I once played a game where I took over a team from each division (maximum of 4 players could play then), and after 4 seasons I was the top 4 in the Premier League from then on, I hate losing so I didn't want to use a 'normal formation'. Also 5-0-5 worked extremely well with long ball obviously. :D

MelbVictory
12-06-2009, 03:46
Great memories. I started with CM1 Italia - which I played so much. Its problem was that eventualy the list would get clogged up, nobody would buy your players and you couldnt sack players. So you'd have a full list and hope for retiree's and regens.

I remember back then it was so easy to scout regens. Even CM2. Say, George Weah retired, next season, frst thing is you look at the Liberian players ans sure enoug, there would be a 17 year old with very similar stats. There was an icelandic player, DM too who I always got.

molywop
13-06-2009, 18:20
lol i remember that melbvictory... i can't remember which year but one i to played gazza would retire at the end of the first season.

i'd do a search for setpieces and passing (i think) 20 and he's be there with strength and stamina both 4

Stella
13-06-2009, 21:08
i ordered myself a copy of cm2 from amazon few months ago but even with dosbox and through windows 98 i couldnt get the disc to load. something about disc protection :( gutted as i really love the game :(

molywop
14-06-2009, 19:41
was cm2 the red disc one? i will never forget being recommended a player called ronaldo from psv by a lad from school, 40-50 goals a season... then it came true, i was convinced CM had a crystal ball!!!

seuden
16-06-2009, 09:00
I found this (http://rapidshare.com/files/245078435/Championship_Manager_2_Series.zip.html) link which has all three CM2's. Please delete if it's not allowed.

hossam-M4E
02-12-2009, 12:23
hi all
i have some questions and i search for answers
-how to run the game on the dos box?
-i want to edit the game specialy the funds of the team iam playing with, how to do?
waiting for help :)

Ozzy38
02-12-2009, 16:54
hi all
i have some questions and i search for answers
-how to run the game on the dos box?
-i want to edit the game specialy the funds of the team iam playing with, how to do?
waiting for help :)

http://www.dosbox.com/wiki/Basic_Setup_and_Installation_of_DosBox#Installatio n

Don't know how to edit.

hossam-M4E
03-12-2009, 07:03
thanks at all ozyy38

eaygin
03-12-2009, 07:11
Newer is better :)

At that time, we were playing with 4 teams in one computer and we were really enjoying it..

ghend
03-12-2009, 10:50
Won my first ever trophy in CM 93 - FA cup with W.B.A. ! Something I will probably never forget!
Also had loads of fun with the version that had sound commentary, I think it was CM2.
Must say though, that I agree with Heathxxx, the lsatest version is usually better than the ones before, and FM10 is bo different. I really enjoy FM2010, especially the new tactics creator and in-game shouts.

Tommmm
03-12-2009, 11:00
Torquay in the premiership! I was born 2 years before '93 came out so I didn't really have a chance, first ever one I played was CM 01/02 or CM 4(it was just called 4 but was season 02/03) and they were quite good but I enjoyed 03/04 the most.

glenn28
03-12-2009, 11:52
Thats 1st ever game i played on the Amiga 500 so much memories.Then i started again playing when i bought CM 2001/02.

Ellis_D
05-12-2009, 05:37
I loved this game for the old Amiga 500! If anyone still plays it, please try the formation 0-0-10 or 2-0-8! Seriously! I don't know if they will work on a PC version or an updated version, but as a lower league side especially - on the Amiga 500 - it worked an absolute treat and I would murder teams!

Seeing those pictures takes me back, but I forgot how basic it was, it seemed so advanced at the time!

I think, generally, as the series has moved on the games have got better.

This years game is fantastic and will be even better when SI release that second patch which gets rid of the no tackling and too many long shots bugs!

(Please SI!!!!)

Waylander TC
22-09-2012, 21:10
Cm93 - so many memories. Ade Akinbiyi, Jason Kaminsky, Christian Vieri, Christopher N'Wosu....great players. Wonder what ever happened to Kaminsky (he was at Forrest in the game) and N'Wosu. I do love the newer FM games but if you want it a bit more simpler then you should try the PSP versions. Hooked on the new PSP version right now.


It is a sad story as a Forest Fan and a CM93 fan I would of loved to see how Kaminsky would have progressed if his career at Forest hadn't been terminated

http://www.redcafe.net/f7/tragedy-young-player-who-fell-victim-bottle-90329/

soldierblue123
23-09-2012, 02:44
As someone said Mark Collis in CM1. Pure legend would sign from Cambridge to your team for about 3 seasons then always go to play in Italy :) Great days. I too miss the simplicity and one could play a whole season in an evening. Now it takes 24 hours game time at elast for me to play a season. But hey FM has developed and I can't ever imagine a day when I won't be playing this game. It is just bloody brilliant.

viiralx
23-09-2012, 20:40
good job necroing a ancient thread ;>

mrdorf
24-09-2012, 14:53
I remember a friend saying that 4-2-4 and long ball was the best formation. I never really knew much about tactics I just played 442 and always bought Bradley Allen who would score loads.

Only One Sean Dyche
24-09-2012, 15:25
93 was real players too i thought. there was a game before which wasn't. because i'm sure Sol Campbell was a striker on it as it was his first season.

Only One Sean Dyche
24-09-2012, 15:26
Also I miss the music.

cruiseee
27-09-2012, 11:45
Back in the day I had a game going with a mate, I was Arsenal and he was Man United. Can't remember how many seasons we played but I used to win the league all the time with him 2nd. The European Cup was incredibly difficult to win, I got to the final twice in a row and lost both (the first one to Benfica which annoyed me greatly as IRL they knocked Arsenal out of the European Cup in the 91/92 season, and I was at the match as a 14 year old when they beat us 3-1 at Highbury).

Two amusing things that really stick in my mind from that save: my mate never playing Cantona ever, and fining him the maximum of (I think) 4 weeks wages all the time simply because he didn't like him. Also, my mate playing Crystal Palace at home, having 3 goals disallowed for offside then Palace scoring the winner in the last minute!

cruiseee
27-09-2012, 11:58
I put my immortal copy of CM97/98 into DOSBox, put DOSBox into DropBox and now I can play my CM9798 game whereever, whenever :)

That is a bloody brilliant idea.

Bootador
27-09-2012, 19:52
93 was real players too i thought. there was a game before which wasn't. because i'm sure Sol Campbell was a striker on it as it was his first season.

93 definately had real players, iirc Sol was a DC/MC/AC.

iglesia
30-09-2012, 00:32
Wow.....some serious flashbacks looking at the screenshots in this thread. I'd pretty much forgotten how it used to look. I can't get over how dated they look today. It feels like only yesterday that I was rushing home from school with my best mate to play it every day. I might have to go and track down another copy for nostalgia's sake.

Ravtastic
30-09-2012, 15:03
Wow!

Nostalgia!! :)

I started out with a different game than CM though for a while. Until CM 96/97 I think it was.

Premier Manager - Amiga
http://www.emuparadise.me/GameBase%20Amiga/Screenshots/P/Premier_Manager_1.png


Incredible stadium builder!!! :D
http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/41597-premier-manager-2-amiga-screenshot-improve-stadiums.gif

It was really cool though the way you HAD to pick a team from the Conference and work your way up the leagues.

I've tried a few Fifa Manager games over the years too. wow. So bad!

CM/FM was, and always will be the daddy

Zoiberg
02-10-2012, 15:43
I remember a friend saying that 4-2-4 and long ball was the best formation. I never really knew much about tactics I just played 442 and always bought Bradley Allen who would score loads.

2-4-4 was the key for unbeaten success in CM93...

Julien Joachim....absolute legend (Flair 20!!)

teknokryptik
10-10-2012, 08:24
You're all wrong for tactics.

I discovered that 0-0-5-5 was the best tactic. Unbeatable cheat for 93 and 93/94.

Yes, that's right, 0 defenders, 0 midfielders, 5 attacking midifelders and 5 strikers.

Wouldn't matter which players you had on the park or what style you played, pretty much guaranteed to outscore opposition.

It's basically breaking the game, but whatever. I discoverd it after getting annoyed at ALWAYS losing to teams playing 4-2-4 against my 4-4-2, so out of frustration I just threw everyone forward.

It's hilarious if anyone wants to give it a go.

TheGull8559
10-10-2012, 11:42
Here ya go!

Premiership:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/ozzyoscar/prem.jpg

I missed out by one point last season. :(

F.A. Cup:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/ozzyoscar/fa.jpg

Current league table:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v735/ozzyoscar/table.jpg

We've been having scoring problems, I bought a not outstanding bloke called Flowers, hope he helps us! We usually have great form in the latter half of the season, thanks to me setting win bonuses.

I can never get a win against Torquay, always a draw. Grr.

Incidentally, England haven't won the Anglo-Italia Cup since 2002 (Chelsea) and England are rubbish in Europe (though we've done well), even the Cup Winners Cup.

It's sad that i get proud when i see Torquay do good in other peoples games. Now, if only we could do this in real life...

dSquib
11-10-2012, 03:22
Hard to believe FM13 will look as dated as this does in 20 years but I guess it may!

laBOMBA
11-10-2012, 04:51
Funny to see everyone's history with the game. Mine actually started in 1990 with "Player Manager" on the Amiga
Guy Roux Manager 1993 and a friend recommended I tried championship manager 96/97 when I was in uni. After that I was seriously hooked and never looked at any other football manager game as I found all the other ones lacking in realism and depth. Great work SI for getting me hooked since the nineties!

berty1978
11-10-2012, 09:16
Nice to see a CM93 thread, even if it was started in 2008. :D I sometimes still get nostalgic and play a bit through an Amiga emulator, though I must admit I can't stay away from the 'cheat' formations, does make it a tad easy.

monkeyhanger18
11-10-2012, 09:58
I loved CM 97/98 and the subsequent CM 3 when I was at school! They were so much simpler to just play a few seasons in a short space of time. As much as I love FM 12 it takes far too much time and is way too complicated compared to the games of old. I'm really looking forward to the new classic mode on FM 13 and gettin the mighty Pools into the Premier League!

viiralx
11-10-2012, 10:13
Sorry to bump this thread.

I still play this all the time and I have a few tips and tricks for anyone interested.

First off, the formation.

You will no doubt win the league if you go with the following formation

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7315/championshipmanagertactoa8.jpg

Put Nr 4 as CB and thats the exact formation i used to win 10 seasons in a row with Tottenham back in the day.

london boy
15-10-2012, 12:24
This is where it all started for me! Many happy memories!

Ginola*
15-10-2012, 12:57
After playing the original FM on my Amstrad, Graeme Souness Soccer Manager on the C64 and Ultimate Soccer Manager 2 I played CM 95/96 round my mates and from then on I was hooked

aliatam
15-10-2012, 13:01
Great memories..

Was 11 years old and i remember getting a dictionary to look for the meaning of words such as Responsible, Arrogant etc.. : )

This game really helped me to improve my English..

And yes, the simplicity of the game was something great.. Even now when i look at the screenshots, it makes me understand how much i miss it.

Do you guys also remember '' Tracksuit Manager'' ?

It was an amazing game too..

pearcey_90
15-10-2012, 14:02
The players wages too :D

Sooooooo cheap!

bigmofster
28-01-2014, 18:54
does anyone know where i can get champ man italia for dosbox?

Tactically_inept
29-01-2014, 07:13
I will always miss the quick turnover of matches on the old cm's its what gave it its addictiveness. FMC mode on the new FM has done a good job bringing that feeling back a bit :-). I think the old school gamers of the series all miss that a little deep down. I remember being able to do a season on cm9798 in less than 60 mins with a speeder :-)

stevemc
29-01-2014, 08:08
Wow!

Nostalgia!! :)

I started out with a different game than CM though for a while. Until CM 96/97 I think it was.

Premier Manager - Amiga
http://www.emuparadise.me/GameBase%20Amiga/Screenshots/P/Premier_Manager_1.png


Incredible stadium builder!!! :D
http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/41597-premier-manager-2-amiga-screenshot-improve-stadiums.gif

It was really cool though the way you HAD to pick a team from the Conference and work your way up the leagues.

I've tried a few Fifa Manager games over the years too. wow. So bad!

CM/FM was, and always will be the daddy

Wow, this is amazing, this was my first experience too, brilliant memories :)

jayahr
29-01-2014, 10:01
Make sure to check out that ticket price...

Padders
29-01-2014, 10:08
WOW!!

Bringing back some memories this..........

kontermann
29-01-2014, 10:21
http://eager.back2roots.org/DATA/T/TRAMA2A.html

I wonder if Tracksuit Manager 2 is the grandaddy of the CM series? The font and overall graphic look soo similar!

NeilUK
29-01-2014, 10:57
I used to play this all the time but then I took an arrow in the knee! (Sorry, Skyrim reference! Won't mean a thing to you unless you have played that!)

My first football manager game was on the BBC from a company called Qualsoft called League Division One which was an amazing game given the limitations of the BBC Micro. Then of course this came out and my life was taken over completely. Anyone else remember the version with Clive Tyldelsey's commentary? "ANOTHER yellow card!"

MorrisseyMuse
29-01-2014, 17:11
Ah, CM 94 on the Amiga for me! blissful memories....

and the classic Diablo-eque killer tactic! :D
how did it go now.....

ST - ST - ST -
- AMC -
- MC - MC - MC
- DMC -
- DC - DC -
- GK -

..I think that's right. :D

Lawlore
29-01-2014, 17:39
http://eager.back2roots.org/DATA/T/TRAMA2A.html

I wonder if Tracksuit Manager 2 is the grandaddy of the CM series? The font and overall graphic look soo similar!

Hah, given the timeline (that was released in '96), I suspect it was the other way round, with TM2 trying to piggyback off of the success of CM by copying its style.