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Cadijk van Kaarhandel
20-11-2008, 13:21
Can someone help me with this please?

I've £500 burning a hole in my pocket, I need to spend it on a new Desktop.

All this ATI 9800 or Greater malarkey is double-Dutch to me, i really don't have a clue.

It needs to be able to run, say, 6 countries with a dozen leagues.

I'd like the machine to still be capable of running FM2011 or so, so thats a consideration.

Please help me cos i need you to!

PW
20-11-2008, 13:24
So many machines out there mate to choose from that would be hard to recommend one in particular.
Main thing for FM would be decent processor speed (Dual Core 2Ghz +), decent RAM (probably 2GB +) and a decent graphics card (loads to chose from).
Maybe try to find a system then post it here and peeps can comment and advise.

Cadijk van Kaarhandel
20-11-2008, 13:27
Okay thanks, howsabout this one then?

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/151911

craigy18181
20-11-2008, 13:29
Dell Vostro 420

PROCESSOR Intel® Core™2 Quad Q6600 Processor (2.40GHz, 1066MHz, 8MB cache)
OPERATING SYSTEM Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium with Service Pack 1, 32-bit - English
MONITOR 17in E1709W WIDESCREEN Black UK/Irish (1440 x 900) TCO99
MEMORY 3072MB 800MHz Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM [2x1024 + 2x512]
HARD DRIVE 250GB (7200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst™ cache
GRAPHICS CARD 256MB ATI® Radeon™ HD 3650 graphics card
OPTICAL DRIVE 16x DVD +/- RW Drive

£468.83

monkeezgob
20-11-2008, 13:29
Okay thanks, howsabout this one then?

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/151911

No graphic card, you'll need to find out if it's got an intergrated chipset (which I wouldn't recommend having), or if you can install your own card which you'll have to buy seperately.

craigy18181
20-11-2008, 13:30
Okay thanks, howsabout this one then?

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/151911

no graphics card so it will run onboard which is crap

betterspud
20-11-2008, 13:37
For £500 you could build a pretty solid machine. Especially if you go for the 2nd/3rd tier components (ie. not the latest releases and highest spec stuff.)

I just built a machine that will run FM at lightning speeds with limitless leagues etc. and also can handle all the FPS games I've thrown at it without a problem and it cost me just over £350.

Best advice is to take some time to find out what you should expect for your money or trawl a few self build guides and have a go at your own rig. It's really not that difficult and there are armies of people out there to help you do it right.

Bren_D
20-11-2008, 13:39
Have a little play around with the system customiser here - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/syscon_class.php?catid=1053

For the sake of £7, 4gb of memory rather than 2gb is a good idea and any of the graphics card upgrades should run FM. If you decide to go for a Quad core with the memory update and a semi-decent graphics card you should be able to run the next few versions of FM without any hassle.

Cadijk van Kaarhandel
20-11-2008, 13:40
GRAPHICS CARD 256MB ATI® Radeon™ HD 3650 graphics card



Is 512 MB not the requirement?

Bren_D
20-11-2008, 13:44
Is 512 MB not the requirement?

It is for memory, and FM would be painfully slow if you played it on a system with 512mb, but the minimum you need for a graphics card is 128mb. Oh and a compatible card of course, but if you are buying/building a new PC you shouldn't have many problems there.

betterspud
20-11-2008, 13:49
If you really want to buy a machine that's ready built, you could do worse than trying one of the independent builders. There are loads of reputable ones out there. Check out eBay shops.

Try here:http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Palicomp_Gaming-PCs_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ9155269QQftidZ2QQsclZ1Q QtZkm

Cadijk van Kaarhandel
20-11-2008, 13:52
Thanking for your advices thus to date.

How do this one look now?
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-014-OE

Bren_D
20-11-2008, 14:00
Thanking for your advices thus to date.

How do this one look now?
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-014-OE

About 10x your price limit. But aside from that, rather good :)

George_Spurs
20-11-2008, 14:01
Wired2Fire.co.uk

best computer builders by far!

monkeezgob
20-11-2008, 14:15
Thanking for your advices thus to date.

How do this one look now?
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-014-OE

Expensive, considering you're looking to spend £500.

Dalglish
20-11-2008, 14:28
How about this...

http://www.gondolin.org.uk/hchof/related-images/vic20-1.jpg

Though you'll need to buy a seperate monitor ;)

trekman
20-11-2008, 14:33
Found this quad core machine with a 256mb graphics card for £499. Only problem is its in pcworld.
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/store/pcw_page.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@2062531128.122719136 0@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccdcadefkeiddehcflgceggdhhmdgmk.0&page=Product&fm=null&sm=null&tm=null&sku=959739&category_oid=

Chris Waddle
20-11-2008, 14:57
If you are happy to build your own then this link (http://www.custompc.co.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=1142936#1142936) can give you excellent information on how to do it.

On this link they build an excellent gaming pc for £300.00
Granted, it doesn't include the monitor / mouse / keyboard, but you can obviously use the ones you already have, should you wish to do so. By doing it this way, you should get a better machine than one pre-built (and it's much more fun).

Kain
20-11-2008, 15:07
I'd highly recommend www.pcspecialist.co.uk. For around £550 including delivery, I have a quadcore 9.6Ghz processor, 4GB RAM, Windows Vista (including the disc and license, not just ready-installed like many places), 500GB hard drive, and a pretty decent all-round set-up. They also have a very helpful explanation of every single part to the PC, so you know what'll be important and what isn't. And best of all for anyone not too great with computers, everything comes set-up, so you just need to plug it in and it works, and their customer service is top notch.

Cadijk van Kaarhandel
20-11-2008, 15:56
Kain just checked your link. What do y'all think of this fellow:

Processor (CPU)
AMD ATHLON™ 64 X2 5200+ (2.6GHz) 2 x 1MB L2 Cache (Socket AM2)

Memory (RAM)
4GB CORSAIR XMS2 800MHz - LIFETIME WARRANTY! (2x2GB)

Motherboard
ASUS® M3N78-PRO: DUAL DDR2, S-ATA II, PCIe x16, 2 x PCIe x1, 3 x PCI

Memory - 1st Hard Disk
500GB SERIAL ATA II HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (7,200rpm)

1st CD/DVD Drive
20x Dual Layer LightScribe DVD Writer ±R/±RW/RAM

Graphics Card
512MB GEFORCE 9800GTX+ PCI Express + DVI + TV-OUT

£456 inc VAT and Delivery.

PW
20-11-2008, 15:59
I just got my PC from them people, bit mixed on how good they were to be honest but spec should be fine for FM

Cadijk van Kaarhandel
20-11-2008, 18:48
What's your opinions on Intel v. AMD? Is it worth shelling out the extra for the Intel?

And how does this rank in the Gfx Card food-chain?
512MB GEFORCE 9800GTX+ PCI Express + DVI + TV-OUT

PW
20-11-2008, 20:19
I think its nip and tuck between AMD and Intel, personally I went for Intel but have had AMD before without issues.
The Graphics card is quite a good one and certainly should be able to cope with 3D as I have the 9600 version (1024MB though I think) and it copes fine.

Cadijk van Kaarhandel
20-11-2008, 21:20
Brilliant, thanks, does £450 look a good price for what i'm getting there?

Sparks FC
20-11-2008, 21:45
What's your opinions on Intel v. AMD? Is it worth shelling out the extra for the Intel?

And how does this rank in the Gfx Card food-chain?
512MB GEFORCE 9800GTX+ PCI Express + DVI + TV-OUT

To be honest I would go Intel. You could possibly get a HD4850 which is slightly cheaper but on par in peformance terms, and use the extra for an intel cpu and motherboard. They really do outshine AMD at the moment.

klasing
20-11-2008, 21:51
to be honest just grab yourself a copy of custom pc, then u can build an awesome one for under £400 no probs, and still have change for a 19" widescreen tft

Cadijk van Kaarhandel
20-11-2008, 21:54
klasing so if i bought each component quoted by one of those websites then screwed it together myself it would be much cheaper?

daylight
20-11-2008, 22:00
OP where are you from,by the name I would have thought Holland,if so let me know as there are quite a few places here that have great systems and nice prices.

Cadijk van Kaarhandel
20-11-2008, 22:04
No for sure i am not from Holland but i've had some pleasant circumstances there at least :)

daylight
20-11-2008, 22:06
Ok maybe Germany but if you are near here I can give you some very nice system's and tbh the cash you are will to spend you may well be suprised.

Cadijk van Kaarhandel
20-11-2008, 22:20
Can you tell me of the offer spec because it may seem to me like you can show the good deal

PW
20-11-2008, 22:29
I think the price you have been quoted is fair, not sure what else you will be getting with it but the main components appear fine and should stand you in good stead for FM for a few years hopefully!

daylight
20-11-2008, 22:30
Well if you just want a pre-made system at a good price you could try informatique,they have some very nice system's and very good prices,
I bought a dual core "2.66 4gb ram,vista 32 bit,8800gt 512mb card at the start of the year for only 1000 euro,now that system wold cost alot less.
Anyway worth checking out.

moon knight
20-11-2008, 22:51
I guess instead of starting a new thread, can anyone reccomend me a laptop for around £600/800? was think of getting a Mac...I need to be able to store all my music and also play FM...
cheers

moon knight
20-11-2008, 22:51
Double post...sorry

Cadijk van Kaarhandel
21-11-2008, 15:21
What about the Sony Entertainment PC? Anyone had any experience of these? Look well smart but are they value-for-money?

Can get this model at Costco for £587 (includes VAT)

http://vaio.sony.co.uk/view/ShowProduct.action?product=VGC-LA3&productFilters=retired&site=voe_en_GB_cons&pageType=Overview&category=VD+LA+Series

Intel Core 2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz
19" Display
2 x 1GB RAM
NVIDIA GeFORCE 7600GPU

craigy18181
21-11-2008, 15:26
no way mate stay away from that, I can only imagine that would be a nightmare if you ever wanted to replace parts. I could be wrong though.

Arsenal_Fan_1986
21-11-2008, 16:38
What you can get with for £500 now! My first computer was £500 and only 8 years ago...
350Mhz Processor
32MB Ram :eek:
1.96GB Hard Drive

betterspud
26-11-2008, 19:02
What you can get with for £500 now! My first computer was £500 and only 8 years ago...
350Mhz Processor
32MB Ram :eek:
1.96GB Hard Drive

I remember paying £1100 for a 700MHz AMD rig, with 128Mb RAM and a 2Gb HDD!

At the time it was cutting edge technology! Was still working fine til about three years ago too.

How times have changed... What I wouldn't give for £1100 to spend on a custom PC now!

Andy20
26-11-2008, 19:11
I just bought a top computer from PC World 2 months ago, it is a Packard Bell Imedia 2415, has a 20 inch widescreen monitor that comes with it and the computer itself is top of the range. Quad Core 6600 2.4 ghz processor with 3gb ram and 500gb hard drive, all for £499. I have FM 2007 running on it with around 47 leagues and a large database with no slow down at all which I find pretty amazing.

Wooderson
26-11-2008, 22:06
You should check this one out, should do you fine and just a shade under £500.

http://www.aldi-stores.co.uk/uk/html/offers/58_7963.htm

Wooderson
26-11-2008, 22:10
Sorry just noticed it doesn't come with a monitor, it's still a good deal though if you can go a bit over budget and fork out for a monitor too.

Andy20
27-11-2008, 17:26
Sorry just noticed it doesn't come with a monitor, it's still a good deal though if you can go a bit over budget and fork out for a monitor too.

That is a great price for a PC of that power, I never knew Aldi sold PC's! I remember the days when people used to associated Aldi with being a cheapo store that used to sell a tin of beans for about 10p, now they sell, PC', Bikes, Widescreen TV'S etc..