PDA

View Full Version : Not a Rant, Simply a Realisation



taxi4deuchar
20-11-2008, 10:22
I no longer have my copy of FM 2009 ( i sent it back because my PC couldnt handle the massive amount of memory being used to process games etc..)

I have since stuck with FM 2008, Weegie updated and i must say on the whole it seems better than FM 2009.

For me, 09 seemed to LMA manager with 3D and i thought what SI should of done is stuck with 2D and improved that aspect of the game.

Anyone else who is playing FM 08 and think its better?

Nomis07
20-11-2008, 10:24
I'm still playing 08, not because it's better than 09, because it's easier and IMO more enjoyable. When I eventually master 09, 08 will consigned to the shelf and considered old news.

Jonfun1980
20-11-2008, 10:25
Hate to say it, but games move on. You need to upgrade your PC.

CaptainPlanet
20-11-2008, 10:26
08 was poor, 09 is brilliant.

istan05
20-11-2008, 10:29
08 was my least favourite Football Manager. It was the only one I didn't get addicted to. I just couldn't get going. Im into this one straight away.

chopper99
20-11-2008, 11:01
I loved FM08 but I love '09 even more.

The 3D, while not Pro Evo standard (but if you expected that you're kidding yourself) is excellent, particularly for identifying strengths and weaknesses in your tactics.

For me FM09 is a fantastic step in the right direction, and the 3D view will only get better and better.

Unfortunately this means that some people need a more powerful machine, but the game could not be stuck in the dark ages for ever.

Neji
20-11-2008, 11:07
I liked 08 but it was alot worse than 07. I ended up playing 07. 09 is excellent.

Super Bladesman
20-11-2008, 11:10
FM09 is my favourite edition for years, by a long way.

jayahr
20-11-2008, 11:11
btw how come that so many people on here now write 'of' instead of 'have'? That's very irritating for a non-native :(
Is this text speak or does the average level of language sophistication go down the drain as well?

andyinuk
20-11-2008, 11:11
i like FM09. more enjoyable than 08 for me

Nomis07
20-11-2008, 11:11
I liked 08 but it was alot worse than 07. I ended up playing 07. 09 is excellent.

I never really played 07, I think that's why I enjoyed 08 so much. Most people seem to think that 07 was better, so I probably would have felt differently if I had played it.

Mike7077
20-11-2008, 11:12
FM09 is better than FM08 for me. I just wish it wasn't so damn hard!

Nomis07
20-11-2008, 11:14
FM09 is better than 08, but 08 is more fun. Come January i'll be saying otherwise (hopefully).

masteratt
20-11-2008, 11:19
Fm09 is the only FM for ages where I feel attached again!

Broskoslov
20-11-2008, 11:19
Fm09 I like better than FM08 when the many (little) bugs are solved.

Mike7077
20-11-2008, 11:19
What I need is a surefire way of being able to accept and enjoy constant defeat.

jayahr
20-11-2008, 11:21
btw how come that so many people on here now write 'of' instead of 'have'? That's very irritating for a non-native :(
Is this text speak or does the average level of language sophistication go down the drain as well?

Sorry about bumping my own question, but this really bothers me. Any answer? :)

Mike7077
20-11-2008, 11:23
Sorry about bumping my own question, but this really bothers me. Any answer? :)

It's because, when spoken, we say "could've" or "would've", for example. To the ear, they sound more like "could of" or "would of" than "could have" or "would have". It's irritating, though. I would of thought the schools could of learned them better, innit.

CP Munk
20-11-2008, 11:26
btw how come that so many people on here now write 'of' instead of 'have'? That's very irritating for a non-native :(
Is this text speak or does the average level of language sophistication go down the drain as well?

Are you being ironic?

Critising peoples literacy skills by starting the sentence with "btw"? Just found that amusing...

Lagarr
20-11-2008, 11:32
08 was my least favourite Football Manager. It was the only one I didn't get addicted to. I just couldn't get going. Im into this one straight away.

Totally agree with you Istan, I could not get into FM08 at all, not sure why just didn't enjoy it.
FM09 on the other hsnd I think is excellent and a massive improvement.

jayahr
20-11-2008, 11:33
Are you being ironic?

Critising peoples literacy skills by starting the sentence with "btw"? Just found that amusing...

I just wondered if this is a common abbreviation (like btw) or a language error. I realise it's origin, but I cannot know which of the two alternatives it is. :)

Mike7077
20-11-2008, 11:34
Are you being ironic?

Critising peoples literacy skills by starting the sentence with "btw"? Just found that amusing...

I didn't pick up on that. Good point!

REALGSA
20-11-2008, 11:54
Im playing 08, because I got a mac, and FM 09 dont work on Mac, even tho it says Mac on the box, and the patch just mucks it up even more!

Äktsjon Männ
20-11-2008, 12:23
09, I must say, is infinitely better than 08. Last year I tried 08 before the 8.0.2 patch, didn't like it at all and went back to 07 and didn't really miss a feature from 08 (except the coach reports perhaps). If I were to return to 08 now I'd miss a hell of a lot. There seem to be so many subtle changes this year (the roaming scouts for example) that make a difference. The main selling features (3D, press conferences) are poor but it's the small additions and improvements that make 09 a very good game.

Chris Ritchie
20-11-2008, 12:25
The point I'd make there is that the 2D match view is much improved this year. So even if you don't use the 3D you're still getting a better match engine.

Äktsjon Männ
20-11-2008, 12:30
The point I'd make there is that the 2D match view is much improved this year. So even if you don't use the 3D you're still getting a better match engine.

That would be true if it weren't so jerky and the strikers could score from a one-on-one ;)

Overall though I agree, the ME is much better.

Ando THFC
20-11-2008, 12:39
I don't think you can judge a FM game on a week or so's play. I played 08 right up to the release of 09 and it kept me interested though I had to learn to put up with a few niggles (horrendous quality of regens, terrible transfer system).

So far FM 09 seems a huge step forward. There are a couple of key features that I couldn't live without already. The instant reply function in a match is superb and the 3d is much more immersive than I could have hoped. And while the transfer system is still not 100%, it's working better and is much less frustrating.

If the long term factors are right then this could prove to be my favourite version since the glory days of the 90s.

Nomis07
20-11-2008, 12:45
The point I'd make there is that the 2D match view is much improved this year. So even if you don't use the 3D you're still getting a better match engine.

The match engine is improved, but I don't think 2D has improved at all, in fact I think it's worse. I thougth 2D in 08 was pretty much perfect, the ME needed some work, but the representation was great. I'm not a fan of 3D, the 3D in 09 is nice, but I wouldn't be using it if the 2D had remained the same.

Socdk
20-11-2008, 12:50
"i thought what SI should of done is stuck with 2D and improved that aspect of the game. "

They should've improved the 2D? What should they have done? If you are refering to improving the match engine then that has been done. As a little addition they have offered you 3D matches which you are free not to use.

It's not some very valid points you make. Sounds like you are just bitter... And while it sucks that you can't play FM09 proper, don't start trashing the game. It's better than 08 in most aspects. If you need to convince yourself that it isn't, then do it somewhere else.

Did you try upping your virtual memory? I only have 512MB RAM in my system and I play without much trouble, since I blasted my virtual mem up to 4GB.

senorcoo
20-11-2008, 12:52
I loved FM08 but I love '09 even more.

The 3D, while not Pro Evo standard (but if you expected that you're kidding yourself) is excellent, particularly for identifying strengths and weaknesses in your tactics.

For me FM09 is a fantastic step in the right direction, and the 3D view will only get better and better.

Unfortunately this means that some people need a more powerful machine, but the game could not be stuck in the dark ages for ever.

I agree. I was hoping for just Micro League Baseball/Ultimate Soccer Manager level graphics. I have to say that I find myself even more engaged with the 3D, especially when a player is taken down and there is no foul called.

Neji
20-11-2008, 13:01
I never really played 07, I think that's why I enjoyed 08 so much. Most people seem to think that 07 was better, so I probably would have felt differently if I had played it.

Thing is, 08 had soem good new features but nothing that was missed by going back to 07.

07 had better regens (probably too good, but IMO that is better than 08). It also had a better transfer system, not perfect by any means but better than 08 at least. 08 probably edges it on tactics but thats all.

Torres09
20-11-2008, 13:03
I agree. I was hoping for just Micro League Baseball/Ultimate Soccer Manager level graphics. I have to say that I find myself even more engaged with the 3D, especially when a player is taken down and there is no foul called.

'Taken down and no foul called'

Are you some sort of..............American?

fitze69
20-11-2008, 13:09
Didn't get into 08 at all but thats becuase I found the tactics had gotten way too complicated. Got 09 for the 3d and I have to say I back loving the game, I really taught 08 was going to be it for me.

The 09 tactics document is a most read, I'm actually able to create my own tactics and I know what everything does, before I used to search for a super tactic and hope it would work!

SilentBob
20-11-2008, 13:10
09>07>>>08 imo. 08 was poor and long term games were impossible because of the terrible regens. 07 was much better. Now 09 looks to be better then both but it's hard to say how much better after only a week.

442to445
20-11-2008, 13:15
i have to agree with the majority of posters in that I thought FM'08 was truly awful and far worse than FM'07. Being from the 'old school' of CM in it's very first incarnation, I just didn't engage with FM'08 at all and don't think I could have loved it less.

However, even as a Mac User, '09 has made me fall in love with it all over again. The one thing '08 did have going for it was making me take a good long look at my tactics and how to use them to best effect - why people seem to think this is 'too hard' I have no idea to be honest.

The 3D match engine is superb and I love it already, as has been said, it really helps bring the game even more to life and gives you a better feedback about how your team is playing - and watching Kandol crack home a 25 yarder after a neat one two with Howson being the highlight so far - it is awesome.

'Nuff said.

LiRiM-InSaNe
20-11-2008, 13:17
Totally agree with SilentBob.
Saves of mine could last no longer than 2015 becasue the regens were so poor.

My Sociedad game atm is already gonna eclipse that me feels. Just because SI have made regens better has increased my enjoyment

Heisenberg
20-11-2008, 13:28
This thread has actually convinced me to buy 09, as I was origionally going to wait till christmas when I can properly afford it.

I too felt 07 was much better than 08, hoping 09 lives up to expectations

BerryBlue
20-11-2008, 14:44
without a doubt fm09 is brilliant, nothing like 3d during an important game!!!!!!!!!

stokes_83
20-11-2008, 14:54
If you are a fan of the series how can you not like FM 09? It is simply the best version I have ever played...by a long ways.
It is extremely difficult which makes it all the more fun to me....

Dimony
20-11-2008, 15:51
Yeah I'm loving it, really immersing me into this Lazio save.

I didn't like 08 as much, struggled to get stuck on it.