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Torres09
20-11-2008, 10:02
Hi,
Just wondered if any other FMers replay a match by loading the save again after a rubbish defeat, or savage injury (quite possible this with 09 eh)

Do you save before every match?;

Or do you just plough on regardless, even though you have had 30 shots to 1 and lost 1-0?

I am not suggesting that I would do it of course............;)

craigy18181
20-11-2008, 10:03
i plough through regardless. I get no joy out of cheating just makes the game pointless in my opinion.

Pricey85
20-11-2008, 10:04
I used to do it when i was much younger but i have mellowed with my old age and have come to terms with the fact that i am, and always will be, ****.

Torres09
20-11-2008, 10:06
I don't do it as a rule, but simply can't abide getting beat by the mancs.........

Nomis07
20-11-2008, 10:07
Used to do it, many moons ago when I was younger, but now I actually enjoy losing (sometimes :p) keeps it realistic and makes it more of a challenge, which in turn makes winning the league or cup, even more fulfilling.

saberhagen83
20-11-2008, 10:10
I always save before and after a match. :) Quite frankly I don't trust games or computers, so I don't wanna loose a bunch of results or having to go through several days all over again. ;) However I don't replay the games, I used to when I was younger, but not anymore.

Haestad
20-11-2008, 10:11
I ADMIT IT! I did when I was very young. I wouldn't be caught dead doing it now though. Would ruin the very point of trying to pretend you are a real life manager

Bodis
20-11-2008, 10:11
Play through regardless. I wouldn't get any enjoyment out of it if i cheated.

Torres09
20-11-2008, 10:12
Why did people do it more when they were young?

Mooks
20-11-2008, 10:14
i only used to do it if i made it to a final. i couldn't bear making it all the way to the fa or champions league final and then losing! i don't do it anymore though, like you all, age has allowed me to accept defeat... also i like the tension now, makes the game more exciting. and it makes it more realistic.

Pricey85
20-11-2008, 10:16
Why did people do it more when they were young?

I think when i was a teenager i couldn't really appreciate the fun side of the game without winning. For instance i would almost always pick sleeping giants with big budgets as success was easy to come by.

Now i'm a bit older my playing habits have changed. I was Hull on 08 and really enjoyed getting promoted and then fighting a relegation battle, this year i'm going to have a look at Dafuge's challenge.

Playing styles just change with age i guess.

Weller1980
20-11-2008, 10:20
I would never reload after losing a match, like some else said in earlier post, I sometimes enjoy losing, If I won every match without thinking about it I would get very bored, I probably wouldnít buy FM if it was too easy to win!

Nomis07
20-11-2008, 10:22
Why did people do it more when they were young?

Because it's all about the fun, winning 11-0 seemed fantastic and editing yourself and your mates in with 20's in everything was the norm. Now winning 11-0 feels dirty and realism equals fun.

When I was younger I used Genie Scout and downloaded tactics, as well, but now I wouldn't do either and enjoy success of my own.

Torres09
20-11-2008, 10:23
I am the same, but am I wrong to ensure I at least be Man U?

Nomis07
20-11-2008, 10:26
I am the same, but am I wrong to ensure I at least be Man U?

Yes you are :p but each to their own. There are a variety of clubs I hate losing to, but IMO nothing comes close to simulating real football emotion than losing to a team you hate. It makes overall victory in the league/cups even sweeter :D

CaptainPlanet
20-11-2008, 10:27
Never, not once. I wouldn't be able to live with the guilt of cheating!

Micado
20-11-2008, 10:31
I save before each and after each game, just to make sure I don't have to play the same game again. still running the demo version and if my screensaver kicks in and locks my system (autmatically after 10 min., no way to change it by my its department, yes laptop from my work) my whole screen goes black, and only way to exit is via task manager, so yes I save before and afer but not to replay a match which I lost.

PS. anyone with the actual game can inform me if the problem I mentioned is solved in the final game with patch? I understood it was looked at by SI.

Torres09
20-11-2008, 10:31
ooh, 'cheating' is a strong term. Surely, I buy the game, I put in the time, I am in my own little reality and I cannot ruin that lovely little fantasy with a deafeat to them........

I don't do it on any other occasion.........although Everton at home can be tricky.........

CaptainPlanet
20-11-2008, 10:32
lol, of course it's cheating!

Torres09
20-11-2008, 10:36
awww, now I feel bad. Ok, fair enough, gonna go throughthe rest of the season without doing it, but if I lose to them, I will be proper upset

Do you want that on your conscience?

Mike7077
20-11-2008, 10:36
I'd sooner throw in the towel than reload, and that is precisely what I did. I've decided to just manage at the top in hope there's some enjoyment to be found up there.

Dalglish
20-11-2008, 10:37
Each to their own, I suppose. But for me, reloading the game after a loss would just take away the realism of playing a long term career game.

I like to look back at my career, knowing that win, lose or draw - it was all done honestly.

Nomis07
20-11-2008, 10:37
awww, now I feel bad. Ok, fair enough, gonna go throughthe rest of the season without doing it, but if I lose to them, I will be proper upset

Do you want that on your conscience?

I do, but i'm a United fan :p

Torres09
20-11-2008, 10:39
Why I oughta!!!!

Robsabbaggio
20-11-2008, 10:44
I'll come clean, I did it when I was young and I still do it.

Not often because there wouldnt be any point in playing if you won every game, but I have no hesitation when I feel the game is just taking the smeg e.g. 7th consecutive game the opposition has scored with its only shot on target, making it 12 goals conceded from 14 attempts they have had! I probably reload 4/5 times a season, and it has never affected my enjoyment of the game.

I wonder why there is a particular stigma attached to FM about reloading as opposed to other games? You never hear someone saying I never completed Halo/Half-Life/Dues Ex because once I died I never went back to a checkpoint, that would be cheating. Surely FM is a game that can be enjoyed just like any other??

Torres09
20-11-2008, 10:51
Excellent point, I am feeling better already!

Mike7077
20-11-2008, 10:52
I was all about the reloading when I was a kid.

jayahr
20-11-2008, 10:53
I never use this as a cheat.

Only in the network game with mates e save regularly as the clients tend to get disconnected once or twice a night. That often happens just before the start of a game and then we can rejoin but have no control. Our gentlemen's agreement then reserves the right to the disconnected to not accept the result if going the wrong way and demand a replay from the last save. The others in return can demand another replay if things go worse than they originally did. That's why we save often (every 2 hrs) to have as little impact as possible.
However that I don't consider cheating as not being in charge is bad as is losing the points the others have already won.

I have to admit though that until like 5 years ago I did it now and then to cheat, though only and especially after losing big finals. As winning on the 'replay' did not give me any satisfaction, I stopped.

Torres09
20-11-2008, 10:55
I am 30 next March. I am getting the impression that I should have grown out of replaying the odd game by now.........

Dalglish
20-11-2008, 10:56
I'll come clean, I did it when I was young and I still do it.


I wonder why there is a particular stigma attached to FM about reloading as opposed to other games? You never hear someone saying I never completed Halo/Half-Life/Dues Ex because once I died I never went back to a checkpoint, that would be cheating. Surely FM is a game that can be enjoyed just like any other??

But, say for example, you won the FA Cup, knowing that you reloaded the game in the semi's (after a defeat) - would you enjoy that cup success as much as one where you didn't reload?

Nimix
20-11-2008, 10:56
I did it before the mac patch came out when I had 3 or more injuries/ a game. Because it's just ridiculous!
But then again I restarted games I won with 3 or 4 injuries, and lost then. Sucks tbh.

Mike7077
20-11-2008, 10:57
I am 30 next March. I am getting the impression that I should have grown out of replaying the odd game by now.........

Play the game however you like. Nothing wrong with it. It's up to you.

CaptainPlanet
20-11-2008, 10:57
I remember the game crashing after I lost a cup match, and when I replayed it I was winning 3-0 at half time, so I sent my goalie up as a striker so I would lose!

I ended up losing 4-8.

jayahr
20-11-2008, 11:00
I wonder why there is a particular stigma attached to FM about reloading as opposed to other games? You never hear someone saying I never completed Halo/Half-Life/Dues Ex because once I died I never went back to a checkpoint, that would be cheating. Surely FM is a game that can be enjoyed just like any other??

You can't compare those. FM is an open game in which you can achieve something or not. If not, better luck next season. It just goes on and on.
In Half Life you 'die'. Game over. Stop playing the game after your first death is not exactly what it is intended for.

CaptainPlanet
20-11-2008, 11:03
I wonder why there is a particular stigma attached to FM about reloading as opposed to other games? You never hear someone saying I never completed Halo/Half-Life/Dues Ex because once I died I never went back to a checkpoint, that would be cheating. Surely FM is a game that can be enjoyed just like any other??

Dieing is getting sacked, losing a game is losing a healthpoint.

If you reload everytime you lose a health point so you know where the baddie is coming from, yes, that's cheating imo.

Torres09
20-11-2008, 11:05
What if, you are playing FM and are 3-0 up at half time, only for the game to crash, or for the battery to run out or whatever. Then you start at that game again (having saved before) and you lose 4-0?

Can you , should you, replay that game until you get the victory you were gonna get originally?

CaptainPlanet
20-11-2008, 11:07
You don't know you were going to win though!

jayahr
20-11-2008, 11:08
What if, you are playing FM and are 3-0 up at half time, only for the game to crash, or for the battery to run out or whatever. Then you start at that game again (having saved before) and you lose 4-0?

Can you , should you, replay that game until you get the victory you were gonna get originally?

Up to you really.
We do this in our network games and I might do this at home too (though really only then). It doesn't actually matter at all whether anyone in the world considers that to be cheating. And even if, the game cheated first ;)

Nomis07
20-11-2008, 11:09
If that scenario occured I would holiday the game and accept the result.

Torres09
20-11-2008, 11:10
True, but those three goals could have gone to one player, and he would be improved for the next game, compared to not scoring in the second scenario.

This is all getting a bit 'if a tree falls in a forest', but what if the game crashed just after the 3-0 score had been confirmed then?

Mike7077
20-11-2008, 11:10
What if, you are playing FM and are 3-0 up at half time, only for the game to crash, or for the battery to run out or whatever. Then you start at that game again (having saved before) and you lose 4-0?

Can you , should you, replay that game until you get the victory you were gonna get originally?

Personally, in a circumstance like that, I'd be tempted to reload. But it really is up to you.

Torres09
20-11-2008, 11:11
If that scenario occured I would holiday the game and accept the result.

'Holiday the game'? Do you go on holiday during the season?

CaptainPlanet
20-11-2008, 11:15
This is all getting a bit 'if a tree falls in a forest', but what if the game crashed just after the 3-0 score had been confirmed then?

Then I would restart until I won.

Carradona
20-11-2008, 11:16
Why is it so common to blame it on your youth?

I did it when I was younger, I still do it from time to time. Never on career saves tho.

Robsabbaggio
20-11-2008, 11:17
To Dalglish: you are right, it wouldnt feel good to win a cup by reloading. So I almost never reload a cup game. Like I said, the only times I reload are when I feel the game has become ultra unrealistic. Then there isnt for me a problem.

To Jayahr: I can see your point. But FM is a management simulation, it isnt real life! They are still just games!

Just to clarify, I never reload on games with other people. That simply wouldnt be fair.

But for my own personal games, it is just that, a game to be enjoyed after a hard days work. FM has become ever more complicated and harder, and I try and play the game as best I can. But I am no tactics guru, so I do what I do to enjoy the game better. On my terms, because I reload very rarely and only when the game is, in my view, taking the smeg, and I never achieve a trophy through it, there is no problem at all and I still feel happy when I win.

There isnt some single arbitrary way that every single person can only enjoy the game, everyone is different.

Torres09
20-11-2008, 11:17
Then I would restart until I won.

You dirty rotten cheat! ;)

Nomis07
20-11-2008, 11:17
'Holiday the game'? Do you go on holiday during the season?

Not normally (I play in Germany and the odd time i'd holiday the winter break because it's a month and a half long), but I would holiday the game that crashed, if it happened.

Up_The_Terriers
20-11-2008, 11:18
I am 30 next March. I am getting the impression that I should have grown out of replaying the odd game by now.........

I'm older than you are, and being a Huddersfield Town fan I can't stand losing to either Leeds or Bradford.
If I do happen to lose to one of them the temptation to reload is almost overwhelming, but I usually manage to resist...... Yes I said "usually."

Fortunately I can usually beat them more often than they can beat me (......Sort of how it's been in real life for the past couple of seasons.......!!!!!)

Torres09
20-11-2008, 11:20
I'm older than you are, and being a Huddersfield Town fan I can't stand losing to either Leeds or Bradford.
If I do happen to lose to one of them the temptation to reload is almost overwhelming, but I usually manage to resist...... Yes I said "usually."

Fortunately I can usually beat them more often than they can beat me (......Sort of how it's been in real life for the past couple of seasons.......!!!!!)

This is kinda my point. The game is there for us to carry out some sort of fantasy for our team. I have to accept defeat IRL, but sometimes I just think 'stuff it, that ain't happening' when playing FM

Not very often though.......

Up_The_Terriers
20-11-2008, 11:38
Well to me FM is, like any other PC game, a suspension of reality in that they allow us to escape the stress of everyday life and are a way of taking our minds off whatever problems we have to deal with in reality.

Yes, it's challenging to try and guide a team (be it my favourite team or another team chosen at random) to success, but it should also be fun. For the game to be fun, you have to be able (within the limits set by the software design) to play it the way you want to..... Afterall if it ends up being as enjoyable and stressful as your everyday job where's the fun in that?

I do understand what people mean about it being "cheating" to reload a match because you lost, and I do agree with them that it is...... But the last thing you want at the end of a hard day at work is to come home and get thumped 4-0 by your arch rivals. it's bad enough when that happens in real life..... let alone when it happens in a fantasy world that you are paying for the privilige of playing in.

So each to their own I say. Especially since it's not like cheating in a multiplayer game where you actually spoil other people's enjoyment to enhance your own.

Niall-Hi
20-11-2008, 11:38
I don't these days. I used to in older versions when I was younger and had more time. Now I just enjoy the successes and take the defeats on the chin.

Just spent a whole season with Dundee Utd, sitting between 3rd and 5th all season, and on the last day of the season I dropped from 4th to 6th! My lowest league placing and it was on the final day.

Heartbreaking, but I never restarted the match.

Avelives
20-11-2008, 11:49
To Dalglish: you are right, it wouldnt feel good to win a cup by reloading. So I almost never reload a cup game. Like I said, the only times I reload are when I feel the game has become ultra unrealistic. Then there isnt for me a problem.

To Jayahr: I can see your point. But FM is a management simulation, it isnt real life! They are still just games!

Just to clarify, I never reload on games with other people. That simply wouldnt be fair.

But for my own personal games, it is just that, a game to be enjoyed after a hard days work. FM has become ever more complicated and harder, and I try and play the game as best I can. But I am no tactics guru, so I do what I do to enjoy the game better. On my terms, because I reload very rarely and only when the game is, in my view, taking the smeg, and I never achieve a trophy through it, there is no problem at all and I still feel happy when I win.

There isnt some single arbitrary way that every single person can only enjoy the game, everyone is different.

Im with you personally :)

I dont enjoy reloading games, but when i have done it in the past its like you say its when the computer will for the 4th time in a row equalise and draw 1-1 with its only shot of the game after youve had goals disallowed and shot off the bar and the like. Stuff which in real life may happen once or maybe even twice on the trot, but never more than that.
As with you i guess maybe in a bad season i may reload it 2 or 3 times tops, and more often that not thats to avoid stupid crap like outlined above or if you spend say 30mill on someone and he breaks his leg in the first 10 minutes of his debut...
And yes i realise it is sort of cheating but it doesnt affect anyone else so who cares.

I could call using other peoples downloaded tactics cheating, for me its worse, i hate doing that :eek:

Ediocy
20-11-2008, 14:45
I used to replay lost matches when I was younger as well, but I find the main explanation was that I didn't like losing when I was managing my favourite club. I wanted them to win a bucketload of trophies, ironic considering in real life we (Gunners) really haven't won much in recent times. :(

Now I have learnt to accept defeat better and have stopped resorting to reloading saved games. However my intense dislike for losing when I am managing Arsenal still refuses to dissipate haha.

I remember I nearly broke my monitor long ago because of the string of reloads that refused to yield me a win. I think I have also flung a CD like a frisbee at a wall in a separate occasion. That poor disc shattered into what must have been about a hundred pieces. :D

I most definitely do not do this anymore though haha! I just sulk on the inside...

velonce
20-11-2008, 14:52
I used to when I first started the game back in FM07. Did it for a few seasons. After that I haven't saved prior to a game with the intent of reloading upon losing. HOWEVER I have quit the game in disgust a few times after massive losing streaks. Sometimes I lose a few good hours of gameplay because of that.

javier_83
20-11-2008, 15:07
i do that on cm4, but i fell angry with my self, so i change, now, i dont do it :p

Carl87
20-11-2008, 15:09
I did it all the time when I was younger.

I think as we grow older we begin accept responsibility. :)

presumingpete
20-11-2008, 15:10
one time my computer crashed in the play off final where i was losing 2-0 with about 20 minutes to go. I had to restart the match and i won 2nd time round. i felt dirty for the whole of the next season.

Torres09
20-11-2008, 15:12
You'd have won 3-2 anyway!

Trevomac
20-11-2008, 15:14
done it in 1 game before when i was messing, loaded up a few managers and sold all the best players and made the team go the season unbeaten, got boring v.quickly.

however i think all the people who "did it when they were young" are lying through their teethand still do it occassionally. watch out for them!!

T4RG4
20-11-2008, 15:17
I save before matches. Sometimes, more with FM09 than any other, I find the matches soooooo long that I rush through them. If I have some crazy defeat which results in a keyboard bashing session I reload and replay with Extended Highlights, tweaking during the match. If that results in defeat, I usually accept it :D

r0x0r
20-11-2008, 15:18
Did it once or twice a few years back, but it always ruined that save for me. Everything felt hollow, so never again :p

Kain
20-11-2008, 15:18
Never saved and reloaded after a defeat, but I did cheat in other ways when I was younger.

Now I just play straight through, accepting defeats and a complete lack of money as they happen. I think most people, as kids, enjoying winning more than a challenge, and it certainly isn't just limited to FM either.

htreloar88
20-11-2008, 15:22
I used to a few years ago, would win everything i entered. i dont win as much anymore?!?!

SmurfDude
20-11-2008, 15:29
I echo what's been said already. When I was younger I had to reload after I had lost. I'd get angry that a computer game could dare have the audacity to beat me. But now I realise that losing is all part of the game, and if you can't handle defeat, FM really isn't the game for you. But once you learn to accept it, FM becomes much more enjoyable

MFCJack
20-11-2008, 15:36
If I loose a game because of a crash or sumone turning my pc off I have to abandon the game for ever.

Trevomac
20-11-2008, 15:57
i just save every week, i remember i done an all nighter and played 6 months then my computer restarted after installing updates!!

jabso
20-11-2008, 16:01
Yes sometimes. However my reasons always change. I will restart after a fair draw with a club but sometimes I will accept it if I lose 2-0 after dominating a game and not reset it.

srwlml23
20-11-2008, 16:03
i have done this in every FM game, until i git 09 and it makes the game a hell of a lot more interesting

gerevd
20-11-2008, 22:55
I save after each game but thats only because of the amount of hours of my life i've lost with computer crashing. i'd never reload a save. its more fun to play a game u know you can lose, that way you know u can win properly. what is happiness without despair as they say. although i will admit to breaking several tv remotes and even one computer screen through 'post loss frustration' shall we say :P.