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AcidBurn
06-11-2008, 16:29
Playing the demo as Crewe and have had several work permits granted for players that are not internationals and I doubt they would have recieved one on FM08. Has it been made easier to get a work permit?

Glenn Wakeford
06-11-2008, 16:41
The work permit rules are the same as in real life, as has been the case for many years.

mattshez
06-11-2008, 16:48
appears to be to be honest, maybe, but its nothing we will be able to tell ourselves

AcidBurn
06-11-2008, 16:57
The work permit rules are the same as in real life, as has been the case for many years.

Just seems easier I have a Bolivian, Peruvian and Venezualian in my team none have any caps yet work permit granted I am sure it was harder on FM08.

SmurfDude
06-11-2008, 17:00
I've only tried to buy one player who needed a permit on the demo, and it was granted almost straight away rather than waiting a couple weeks which has always been the case in previous years. Is this the same for all other players or does it depend on nationality?

drunkpunk
06-11-2008, 17:13
I was expecting to sign Stephen Appiah for Villa but got knocked back, even on appeal.

fmfan33
06-11-2008, 17:25
I had a work permit refused for Dida when I tried to sign him for Arsenal (hey, its a valid choice!), except he was refused one, which seemed strange for someone who's won 80+ caps for brazil and plays for Milan.

AcidBurn
06-11-2008, 17:33
I just had one rejected for Blanco who like my other signings has no caps but has more potential than them all seems strange.

Dave Fairbairn
06-11-2008, 17:44
It might be current ability vs. club reputation this time. For instance, unless the player is a current regular international, signing for Manchester United or Liverpool would be impossible, where as 1st, 2nd or 3rd division teams can buy them without issue as long as their current ability will clearly improve the squad.

trekman
06-11-2008, 21:52
I was expecting to sign Stephen Appiah for Villa but got knocked back, even on appeal.

If you have a work permit feeder club then you should get the permit on appeal. Check to see if you have any affiliate clubs.

TomHAVFC
06-11-2008, 21:55
Appiah gets knocked back everythime for Villa. My mate tried to get him and the work permit got rejected. Twice.

mojo_pin1
07-11-2008, 00:58
I think they've loosened it a little, which is good!

There is the rule IRL that if a player is an outstanding talent he's able to get a work permit, i know Scum used this for the twins and Arsenal for Denilson.

Mahr
07-11-2008, 08:27
Is the work permit application depending on what contract and sum you offer the player?

A Backup player won't get a permit, a Key player will get a permit?
An expensive player will get a permit, a cheaper player won't?

Micado
07-11-2008, 09:08
I think they've loosened it a little, which is good!

There is the rule IRL that if a player is an outstanding talent he's able to get a work permit, i know Scum used this for the twins and Arsenal for Denilson.

They have to have played at least 75% of the Nations internation matches or, like mojo_pin1 said, have an outstanding talent like Kalou, denilson, etc.

United__FM
07-11-2008, 09:16
I think they've loosened it a little, which is good!

There is the rule IRL that if a player is an outstanding talent he's able to get a work permit, i know Scum used this for the twins and Arsenal for Denilson.

I assume you mean Man Utd. :rolleyes:

They have Portuguese dual citizenship, so didn't need work permits.

ptr
07-11-2008, 10:04
They have to have played at least 75% of the Nations internation matches or, like mojo_pin1 said, have an outstanding talent like Kalou, denilson, etc.

I'm being pedantic here but if they were required to play at least 75% of the nation's matches then they would need to have played for about a century.

The real life rules are basically as follows:

* Work permits would only be issued to clubs for current international players who have an acceptable international reputation. Such a player would be expected to have played in his international 'A' team for at least the past two seasons and to have participated in approximately 75% of his country's competitive matches during that period.
* If a footballer's work permit were to be extended, then that player would be expected to have been a regular member of his club's first team by playing in the region of 75% of first team games.
* All clubs must provide evidence that they have undertaken a genuine and thorough search of the resident labour market of the UK/EEA, and that no suitable resident player is available.
* Salaries offered to players from outside the EEA should be at the top end of the club's wage structure, unless exceptional circumstances apply, and the total earnings of the club's highest-paid player must be disclosed.

You can appeal if you don't quite meet these criteria. No idea how Man U got the likes of Fabio and Rafael in because they don't meet any of the standard criteria. They must have some expensive lawyers.

presumingpete
07-11-2008, 10:41
again, portuguese second nationality and i think its 75% of the last 10 games or something like that.

Pompeyboyz
07-11-2008, 10:53
I definitely wouldn't say it was easier as I have tried to sign Kallon and Trabelsi on the demo for Portsmouth a both times I am knocked back even after appealling and both are established internationals albeit with lower ranked nations

Mahr
07-11-2008, 10:58
If the application is denied, is it pointless to keep trying to sign the player?

Micado
07-11-2008, 12:04
I'm being pedantic here but if they were required to play at least 75% of the nation's matches then they would need to have played for about a century.

The real life rules are basically as follows:

* Work permits would only be issued to clubs for current international players who have an acceptable international reputation. Such a player would be expected to have played in his international 'A' team for at least the past two seasons and to have participated in approximately 75% of his country's competitive matches during that period.
* If a footballer's work permit were to be extended, then that player would be expected to have been a regular member of his club's first team by playing in the region of 75% of first team games.
* All clubs must provide evidence that they have undertaken a genuine and thorough search of the resident labour market of the UK/EEA, and that no suitable resident player is available.
* Salaries offered to players from outside the EEA should be at the top end of the club's wage structure, unless exceptional circumstances apply, and the total earnings of the club's highest-paid player must be disclosed.

You can appeal if you don't quite meet these criteria. No idea how Man U got the likes of Fabio and Rafael in because they don't meet any of the standard criteria. They must have some expensive lawyers.

Hi, was not totally clear on this I see now. It is like:

The player has to have played in 75% of all Internationl games for his country over the past 3 (or 2 years). So if Brazil would have played 100 matches (Worldcups, Copa america etc.) the players had to in 75 of them to be granted a workpermit.

Micado
07-11-2008, 12:06
If the application is denied, is it pointless to keep trying to sign the player?

You can stil sign him and loan him out to a feeder club until he is granted/eligable for a WP

andrew2005123
07-11-2008, 12:07
for me its been easier,then again ive only played the EPL so far and its easy to get a WP as IRL

pelicanstuff
07-11-2008, 12:12
I have signed players with no caps for lower league clubs, and didn't have a problem. I'm not sure if this was intended to be easier, but I think it is.

elgreenio
07-11-2008, 12:15
few people mentioning appiah above, he has been plagued with injuries for a while so is likely not have played his fair share of internationals in the recent past

trekman
07-11-2008, 14:34
If the application is denied, is it pointless to keep trying to sign the player?


You can stil sign him and loan him out to a feeder club until he is granted/eligable for a WP

You have to have a work permit feeder club in place first though or the transfer will get cancelled.

Lordy
07-11-2008, 14:48
Seems a lot lot easier for me, i havn't had anyone be rejected yet, not complaining though as i could hardly get any permits on FM08!

Ninjamark
07-11-2008, 14:53
I had a work permit refused for Dida when I tried to sign him for Arsenal (hey, its a valid choice!), except he was refused one, which seemed strange for someone who's won 80+ caps for brazil and plays for Milan.

Surely Dida would have Italian as his 2nd nationality he's been at Milan since 2000 (apart from a year long loan spell in South America) in 2001-02.

Maybe it's a data issue for the AC Milan thread?

Ninjamark
07-11-2008, 14:54
Just seems easier I have a Bolivian, Peruvian and Venezualian in my team none have any caps yet work permit granted I am sure it was harder on FM08.

Have any of them got a European 2nd nationality?

Nomis07
07-11-2008, 15:16
Surely Dida would have Italian as his 2nd nationality he's been at Milan since 2000 (apart from a year long loan spell in South America) in 2001-02.

Maybe it's a data issue for the AC Milan thread?

Perhaps he hasn't taken Italian nationality, eligibility is not the same as citizenship. That's just a guess though, so stick it in the AC Milan thread anyways.

pelicanstuff
07-11-2008, 15:33
Perhaps he hasn't taken Italian nationality, eligibility is not the same as citizenship. That's just a guess though, so stick it in the AC Milan thread anyways.

Hmmm, maybe they won't give it to him after his false papers scandal & criminal conviction...