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Miles Jacobson
30-10-2008, 17:13
www.youtube.co.uk/sigames (http://www.youtube.co.uk/sigames)

There'll be another one tomorrow at www.shortlist.com (http://www.shortlist.com)

dave byrd
30-10-2008, 17:14
www.youtube.co.uk/sigames (http://www.youtube.co.uk/sigames)

There'll be another one tomorrow at www.shortlist.com (http://www.shortlist.com)

Thanks. About time!

sergio920
30-10-2008, 17:14
WOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO can't wait for sunday

dave byrd
30-10-2008, 17:16
Looks better than i thought it would!

Jonfun1980
30-10-2008, 17:16
Miles the videos have already been seen and the major concern is Goal flashing up even before the ball as gone into the net.

jimbo22
30-10-2008, 17:16
Are those videos from the released version of the match engine?

okerenta
30-10-2008, 17:17
miles can you see the sponsors on shirts for licensed teams in 3d

ScouseFromTheSouth
30-10-2008, 17:19
miles can you see the sponsors on shirts for licensed teams in 3d

From what I remember reading in one of the last two blogs, I think so.

Suzie MUFC
30-10-2008, 17:21
I was excited enough about the preview-code videos of the 3D match engine that popped up on the forum last night, but these are simply gorgeous! I'm liking the stadium modelling and the shadows - it really has come a long way since the preview code.

digsy11
30-10-2008, 17:29
Miles, I gotta say you and your team have done a fantastic job on this.I've been playing FM/CM since the very first one and I've not been more excited about a version than this! Absolutely superb.

PGB_SPURS_FM09
30-10-2008, 17:30
Anyone wanna confirm this? i wrote in another thread about these!

"Originally Posted by PGB_SPURS_FM09
Surely though this isn't the final finished version still if its a leak! I'm hoping that tomorrows one will be what it will be like on the real thing for definate so i'm expecting tomorrows video to be even better!

EDIT: DAM JUST REALISED THE STICKY!!! THEY ARE OFFICIAL! Maybe not final version though still? Seems weird they've taken away the exclusive from shortlist.com if its not going to be an improvement to these 3!
What do you think?"

Toothless Gibbon
30-10-2008, 17:31
As I said in another thread, possibly the best thing I have ever seen.

LeoVieira
30-10-2008, 17:32
How long will be the shortlist.com's video?

brookie1402
30-10-2008, 17:35
Looking good Miles.

Nabeel
30-10-2008, 17:35
Great video's, im just hoping you can zoom in because otherwise all I see are dots :P

Good work.

AJRigg
30-10-2008, 17:37
It looks amazing to me, can't wait to play it

Solid Gone
30-10-2008, 17:38
Damn! They look sweet. Bring it on!!! :thup:

Ginger
30-10-2008, 17:50
Miles the videos have already been seen and the major concern is Goal flashing up even before the ball as gone into the net.

I noticed that too!

Terry85
30-10-2008, 17:57
I can't wait to play this game and see my midfielder score a swerving shot from outside the box on end to end camera view.

Canni wait!!!

WOOOOOO! :D

Jaeren
30-10-2008, 18:02
Miles the videos have already been seen and the major concern is Goal flashing up even before the ball as gone into the net.

Ye, I noticed that. They need to change that.

Dazza
30-10-2008, 18:03
Miles the videos have already been seen and the major concern is Goal flashing up even before the ball as gone into the net.

I noticed too, hopefully it wont be there in final build or if it is it wont be visible before the striker actually shoots at least.

SnK41.int
30-10-2008, 18:03
Miles the videos have already been seen and the major concern is Goal flashing up even before the ball as gone into the net.

Yes that's very dissapointing first thing I noticed ...

Bazib
30-10-2008, 18:03
i think it only happens in replays....coz it doesnt happen in all the goals that are seen in the video

Mike7077
30-10-2008, 18:06
History comes down to basically two things; Martin Luther King's "I Have A Dream" speech, and FM09's 3D match engine..

It looks fantastic.

Luton Town!
30-10-2008, 18:07
The flashing before its gone in the net i also realised ,however this only seemed to happen in the first 2 videos and not the third.

But it looks great!

port-ton
30-10-2008, 18:11
in all the match engine footage still haven't seen a keeper dive and save the ball, thats my biggest concern, Other than that looks great though.

Wakers
30-10-2008, 18:14
two issues i can see from those vids - defenders don't tackle and whenever a through ball is played, defenders have their back to the ball. Hope this isn't the final version :(

Jonfun1980
30-10-2008, 18:15
Video 3 keepers make no effort to save the ball.

I hope the shortlist video tomorrow shows a slide tackle or something.

Mike7077
30-10-2008, 18:20
They can't show everything on three short videos! I'm pretty sure they thought the thing we all want to see most is goals, so that's what they went with for this first three.

Fox
30-10-2008, 18:21
looks quality. i hope its as good on the long term basis

flogside
30-10-2008, 18:22
Video 3 keepers make no effort to save the ball.

I hope the shortlist video tomorrow shows a slide tackle or something.
Man you dont stop complaining do you???

lolgasm
30-10-2008, 18:28
Looks fantastic, my only conern would be goal!!! flashing before the ball has crossed the line.

Latic Vince11
30-10-2008, 18:34
nice miles.
cant wait to see zaki in action lol :D

edwingray
30-10-2008, 18:48
Looks better than I thought it would, but am still reserving judgement until the demo. That way I won't be disappointed.

CalumF
30-10-2008, 18:55
Looks quality. Fingers crossed.

someguy
30-10-2008, 19:06
They've done a very good job. For all the people who play with 2d, just watch the overhead view. Its basically a much better 2d.

The detail doesn't matter. The up close graphics does not matter. It look likes it runs smooth and crisp and the animations actually look more than good enough. The pace of the game looks right too. Thats all that does matter.

jack_man
30-10-2008, 19:08
Looking much better than i thought it would :D

Jonfun1980
30-10-2008, 19:08
Sorry for moaning I just want everything to be perfect, if people don't moan about the problems they will not get fixed.

Geronimo360
30-10-2008, 19:10
Meh...

1010101010

sKyer_xD
30-10-2008, 19:13
looks really nice

Lucho
30-10-2008, 19:13
Wow, I think the videos look absolutely amazing.
You probably could have put some footage of a real live football game and people would still complain about something.

In my opinion this looks perfect for what FM needs. Congratulations on all the great work.

Eles Gergo
30-10-2008, 19:14
yeah it looks nice but the first bug as mentioned is that the commentary is coming faster then the goal why is that ?

Jayhinton
30-10-2008, 19:14
Sunday cant come quick enough!!!!

flogside
30-10-2008, 19:15
Sorry for moaning I just want everything to be perfect, if people don't moan about the problems they will not get fixed.
I understand that mate, we all want it to be good trust me! But it seems every thread i go in today has you moaning and condemning stuff before the demo is even out! Give it a chance first, you might actually like it lol :) If not then threads will, im sure, be created for people to moan about the stuff they dont like! Just seems these days that these forums are full up with people complaining and moaning about everything.

Jonfun1980
30-10-2008, 19:22
Things I have moaned about

1. Not being able to play the game when I have it.

2. The slider.

3. Gk not making a effort to save the ball.

4. Still only the white skin.

That is 4 things I have moaned about and I think that 90% of people would agree with me.

I have also said today the 3d engine looks a lot better than I thought it would.

I am really looking forward to the game even booked a week off to play it.

BuryBlade
30-10-2008, 19:24
My only concern is that the keepers dont seem to make an effort to save the ball- that worries me a lot

otherwise im really really impressed- cant wait

Can anyone from SI confirm for us as to whether the keepers will in fact dive and save shots???

Cheers

VonBlade
30-10-2008, 19:32
The end of Match Engine 1 is wierd. The text is celebrating a goal before the ball has gone into the net.

Very tough to have an opinion about it in the appalling quality Youtube can provide. Looks like through balls will be the chap this year though :)

Edit - I see I'm not the only one to spot this. Makes us wonder how nobody who can actually fix it has yet

flogside
30-10-2008, 19:33
Well then i would tell that 90% the same thing, play it first, complain after! Simple!

Back on topic, i dont know what i was expecting of the 3D match engine to be honest but i think it looks alright. Will look forward to giving it a go though come sunday morning :D

Navie
30-10-2008, 19:37
A more quality video would be helpful, you can't even see what is going on from those videos.

Jonfun1980
30-10-2008, 19:39
hopefully the shortlist 1 will be better quailty.

BuryBlade
30-10-2008, 19:39
Quote: Very tough to have an opinion about it in the appalling quality Youtube can provide. Looks like through balls will be the chap this year though :)EndQuote


Agree with both points- the through balls on the clips were sublime :)

ZIRA - NK Jedinstvo Bihac
30-10-2008, 19:42
this is good for now,, i predict game 3d will be better in fm10,11 ... for now its OK, this is after all 1st try... 1st switch to 3d.

Alekos
30-10-2008, 19:44
2 thing I didn't like when I watched the videos..
The celbretion of the player look like he was skating and the second one when I saw the GK and throw-in taker that none of them was holding the ball..(on chest for GK and above head for the throw-in taker)

And something for SI..Please even if there are some problems with the view of the 3D I mean graphics etc PLEASE don't focus on this in future versions(correct only the basics like the ones I mentinoed above)as a result leaving behind tactics which is the BASE of manager games!
I don't want my beloved manager game become FIFA or PRO on graphics..Just focus on the basic aspects of the game not 3D..

Deco10
30-10-2008, 20:04
videos 3D:
it seems very nice. i will see in the game! for now, i'm very excited!

digsy11
30-10-2008, 20:14
Why are people moaning about the keeper not diving? Granted on one of the clips he does'nt but if you look closely he does on the others.

Perhaps the quality is obscuring this fact.

NoSkillz
30-10-2008, 20:25
Minor quibbles aside, I'm extremely impressed...animations seem smooth and realistic. Well done.

Joor
30-10-2008, 20:41
Why are you worried about a gk who didnt move in ONE clip? maybe hes slow + poor reflexes, agility, or a bad day ..or etc etc.

steviegman
30-10-2008, 20:42
I think it looks absolutely brilliant and cant wait till my copy falls on my door mat. I remember when the 2d was being brought in and I was sceptical and the game has never looked back. I really cant wait for sunday.

I will give si an early "well done" which I may rescind once I have played the game myself

therubberducky
30-10-2008, 20:55
As I said in another thread, possibly the best thing I have ever seen.

You really mustnt get out much then

jimbo22
30-10-2008, 21:20
You really mustnt get out much then

Or is about 12 years old.

TheRandomGuy
30-10-2008, 21:28
History comes down to basically two things; Martin Luther King's "I Have A Dream" speech, and FM09's 3D match engine..

It looks fantastic.

christ almighty.

LawsonBRam
30-10-2008, 21:52
christ almighty.

Don't think he has anything to do with it tbh.

oggie26
30-10-2008, 22:09
thank you miles, those videos look quality......even mrs approves now - looks much better then those old buttons running around lol

therubberducky
30-10-2008, 22:16
Or is about 12 years old.

Either way, he needs to be constantly supervised for his own protection.

BoroJoe
30-10-2008, 22:20
Looks great!

bucket
30-10-2008, 22:45
Looks immense! Now I can't wait for Sunday! Got mixed feelings now the darker nights are coming - 1 i won't be earning as much (i'm a gardener) 2. more time on FM woohoo! Roll on Nov 14th

msadler04
30-10-2008, 22:58
Miles the videos have already been seen and the major concern is Goal flashing up even before the ball as gone into the net.



Same here, everything else looks great but this stands out so much, there's no drama in the shot because you know straight away if its a goal or not.


i think it only happens in replays....coz it doesnt happen in all the goals that are seen in the video

Happened on every single goal in all 3 video's. Maybe something that can be sorted in a patch?

bell
30-10-2008, 23:25
Keepers do dive, you can see it clearly on clip number 3 at the end. Make sure you switch the youtube video to high qaulity though.

Have to agree the GOAAAAAAAAAAL before it hits the net is annoying

Fieldsy
30-10-2008, 23:27
The 3d match looks quality - Really cannot wait. It would be nice for some official clarification upon the goal situation

Mike7077
30-10-2008, 23:30
christ almighty.

What of him?

Theres only one GV!
30-10-2008, 23:33
I really hope that the flashing goal thing before a goal is scored is gone.I haven't watched all the videos yet but on the one i did it was clear it was going in, I hope it doesn't happen when the keeper is stood on the line, and he could save it, i know it is only a miniscule time but it is before. There is a time gap with sendings off in fm08 i have noticed which is slightly annoying too.
But it looks great apart from that minor thing!

TheRandomGuy
30-10-2008, 23:40
What of him?

even if you were joking, as I hope to christ you were, that comparison was so, so, so toe-curlingly cringeworthy.

Mike7077
30-10-2008, 23:42
even if you were joking, as I hope to christ you were, that comparison was so, so, so toe-curlingly cringeworthy.

Glad you enjoyed it. ;)

TheRandomGuy
30-10-2008, 23:44
wonderful retort, would debate with again. A++

Mike7077
30-10-2008, 23:46
There was no debate to be had. Whatever you think of my original post, 'Christ Almighty' was hardly a moment of inspired genius.

Tottiseiya
30-10-2008, 23:49
That's great!

TheRandomGuy
30-10-2008, 23:56
There was no debate to be had. Whatever you think of my original post, 'Christ Almighty' was hardly a moment of inspired genius.

um, never said it was?

Goon14
31-10-2008, 00:03
looks great am impressed its a step forward!

Andrew at ShortList.com
31-10-2008, 00:06
www.youtube.co.uk/sigames (http://www.youtube.co.uk/sigames)

There'll be another one tomorrow at www.shortlist.com (http://www.shortlist.com)

This is up now. Technically it's Friday, and why keep people waiting?

Theres only one GV!
31-10-2008, 00:15
Woo! Cheers Andrew!!

Solid Gone
31-10-2008, 00:59
wonderful retort, would debate with again. A++

I properly LOL'd at that. :D

Samsung
31-10-2008, 01:01
AHHHHRRRRGGGGGGG!!!!

NO quicktime on this computer at work!!! Need to download and watch now!!! Wish me luck team!!!

miller6
31-10-2008, 01:04
Thanks Andrew

Top Stuff

Roll on Sunday Morning Aussie Time

Navie
31-10-2008, 01:12
This is up now. Technically it's Friday, and why keep people waiting?

Why can't SI and HMV be as fast as Shortlist.com at doing stuff? Thanks and this footage is pretty good.

Paddington
31-10-2008, 01:40
Looks class, Only minor problem which has already been said is the flahshy thing happens before the goal is actually scored, and im one of those puwa wierdo's who get iritated by stuff like that :( Mind you the mini celebration when the goal is scored on the Shortlist video is sheer brilliance, Top marks *claps*

Andrew at ShortList.com
31-10-2008, 10:11
Hi guys,

Just to let you know, I'll be putting a Windows Media version up in a few minutes. Will let you know when.

Cheers,
Andrew

Jamie_E
31-10-2008, 10:28
Wahey Torquay United footage - Come on the Gulls! Why Chris Robertson (CB) is playing a through ball to Chris Todd (CB) to score from a regulation throw in in the first clip I'll never know ;-) All looks good apart from the pre-mature goal flashing.

Andrew at ShortList.com
31-10-2008, 10:38
Ok, WMV is up. It may take a while to buffer, but worth it if you haven't got Quicktime.

theres only one ALI DIA!
31-10-2008, 10:41
Will you be able too turn off the commentary altogether?

It seems a bit pointless having it now as we can see everything thats happening in glorious 3D for ourselves and don't need it described to us anymore. Plus it would remove the goal flashy problem altogether.

RT--
31-10-2008, 10:47
Anyone else think there are shades of offside when Robertson plays that ball through to Todd? :)

Do those bars underneath the active players' names represent their condition? Nice touch, if it is.

BuryBlade
31-10-2008, 11:24
definately a hint of offside there ;)

Looks great though- and good to see the keeper diving :thup:

Thanks for the video

Michael Osmann
31-10-2008, 11:34
Miles the videos have already been seen and the major concern is Goal flashing up even before the ball as gone into the net.


Noticed that to. I hope it'll get fixet with next patch if its'nt fixed yet.

Pompeyboyz
31-10-2008, 11:55
I have watch and rewatched the clips and think he was just onside :p

KT66
31-10-2008, 11:58
I hope all the great work isn't going to be spoilt by lack of crowd visuals, it needs photographers, subs warming up etc.

The empty grey stands just ruin the look

Wee Aja
31-10-2008, 12:00
OH MY GOD!!!!
It looks awesome!
Amazing.
WOOOOOOOHHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! :D :D

(sorry, just excited)

2Pacalypse
31-10-2008, 12:03
Miles the videos have already been seen and the major concern is Goal flashing up even before the ball as gone into the net.


that's the only concern i got from those videos ... the rest looks really good, nice work

i just hope like a lot of people that in the next versions, there'll be a crowd or a more vibrant environment around the field

bell
31-10-2008, 12:06
I hope all the great work isn't going to be spoilt by lack of crowd visuals, it needs photographers, subs warming up etc.

The empty grey stands just ruin the look

Lets walk before we run :)

2Pacalypse
31-10-2008, 12:17
Lets walk before we run :)


exactly .. no need to rush on what's already a huge improvement (i hope)

micro-ice
31-10-2008, 12:31
gnarly dude!
better than i thought!

Rob123
31-10-2008, 12:51
Awesome!!!

Cannot wait for Nov 14th

Galactus
31-10-2008, 12:58
IMO the 3d match engine is merely a replica of the 2d so if you watch the 2d closely I'm sure the flashing occurs at the same time as in the 3d, the scale of the field just changes things.

truegooner
31-10-2008, 12:59
Awesome!!!

Cannot wait for Nov 14th

I can't wait for Nov 2nd :)

Pompeyboyz
31-10-2008, 13:00
it is still a little worrying that no one from SI has made a comment about this yet though

Paddington
31-10-2008, 13:07
it is still a little worrying that no one from SI has made a comment about this yet though

I dont think theres any worry needed tbh, during the making of it etc, they would of obviously noticed it flashes before the goal is scored and i dont think that there that idiotical to not fix it.

Eles Gergo
31-10-2008, 13:23
I dont think theres any worry needed tbh, during the making of it etc, they would of obviously noticed it flashes before the goal is scored and i dont think that there that idiotical to not fix it.

well they are not idiots but tend to miss small things along the way

msadler04
31-10-2008, 13:41
IMO the 3d match engine is merely a replica of the 2d so if you watch the 2d closely I'm sure the flashing occurs at the same time as in the 3d, the scale of the field just changes things.

Nah 2d was always spot on, flashed as the ball crossed the line, hopefully this is something thats already sorted in the final release and we're worring about nothing

Terry85
31-10-2008, 14:05
Oh.... watch the end of the new 3D. The ball is cleared from a corner and as usual it takes the players ages to realise he has to get the ball... He takes a good few seconds before realising he needs to sprint to intercept.

I HOPE this is due to the players bad positional/anticipation stats.

Fingers crossed.

roseboy64
31-10-2008, 14:06
Seemed to flash as the ball crossed the line to me.

jimbo22
31-10-2008, 14:52
Seemed to flash as the ball crossed the line to me.

Aye the 6 yard line.

peter-evo
31-10-2008, 15:24
Don't screenshots and videos have to go a few weeks before being relesed due to authentication by Sega and such. They probalby fixed this mistake while the video was being authenticated and if not a patch should be released immediately to fix the problem.

craigy18181
31-10-2008, 15:38
Aye the 6 yard line.

yeah you are right, they flash as the guy kicks it and before the ball is in the net lol

theking1
31-10-2008, 16:10
yeah you are right, they flash as the guy kicks it and before the ball is in the net lol

Definately happens.If you slow the clip down the goal message starts flashing just as the ball is on the 6 yard line.Si should acknowledge this before wide spread panic sets in

Wee Aja
31-10-2008, 16:57
Definately happens.If you slow the clip down the goal message starts flashing just as the ball is on the 6 yard line.Si should acknowledge this before wide spread panic sets in

Just seen that.
That is a slight concern.

Any word from SI?

adriannos
31-10-2008, 17:41
can you still play the old way....??? 2 d

BuryBlade
31-10-2008, 17:47
yes you can choose to watch in 2d if you so wish

Solid Gone
31-10-2008, 18:27
This goal thing didn't happen on all the videos I watched, some were normal and started flashing the message when the goal was scored, not before it, if it happens once in a blue moon, it shouldn't be a problem.

I suppose we will find out how much of (or how little) a problem this is in around 30 hours when we all get the demo on the go.

*Injektilo
31-10-2008, 18:43
Definately happens.If you slow the clip down the goal message starts flashing just as the ball is on the 6 yard line.Si should acknowledge this before wide spread panic sets in

I feel compelled to add a rolling eye emoticon here, or something. But I'll refrain.

I really don't find this to be an issue. In fact, I couldn't care less. I think the video looks fantastic overall. The one question that I still have is the number of animations available. Will we see bicycle kicks, volleys, chest control, a variety of dribbles, etc. etc. But seeing the goal comment flash before the ball crosses the line? Whatever.

Wee Aja
31-10-2008, 18:51
I feel compelled to add a rolling eye emoticon here, or something. But I'll refrain.

I really don't find this to be an issue. In fact, I couldn't care less. I think the video looks fantastic overall. The one question that I still have is the number of animations available. Will we see bicycle kicks, volleys, chest control, a variety of dribbles, etc. etc. But seeing the goal comment flash before the ball crosses the line? Whatever.

It's not such a big deal.
But it will be irritating if it happens on a regular basis.

*Injektilo
31-10-2008, 19:04
It's not such a big deal.
But it will be irritating if it happens on a regular basis.

I understand how it can get irritating.

But to have SI addressing the issue before "panic sets in"? Come on.... That is just hyperventilation.

Pim1984
31-10-2008, 21:59
The match engine looks great, but the flashing before a goal could be irritating. When the demo arrives more can be said.

theking1
01-11-2008, 01:09
I feel compelled to add a rolling eye emoticon here, or something. But I'll refrain.

I really don't find this to be an issue. In fact, I couldn't care less. I think the video looks fantastic overall. The one question that I still have is the number of animations available. Will we see bicycle kicks, volleys, chest control, a variety of dribbles, etc. etc. But seeing the goal comment flash before the ball crosses the line? Whatever.

Glad you don't find it an issue,good for you pal...plenty will though so until free speech is barred in this country i'll bring it up if i notice it ok?

Oh and the widespread panic remark was tongue in cheek,is that all ok for you now? Thanks

*Injektilo
01-11-2008, 03:05
Glad you don't find it an issue,good for you pal...plenty will though so until free speech is barred in this country i'll bring it up if i notice it ok?

Oh and the widespread panic remark was tongue in cheek,is that all ok for you now? Thanks

Get some thicker skin, chap. This is a forum where people are allowed to disagree. So so until free speech is barred in this country i'll bring it up if i disagree ok?

Anyway, moving on:

I just watched it again with sound (couldn't do it at work). There is a noticeable improvement, but it's still missing some realism:

1) the crowd didn't particularly go wild for the goal.
2) no chanting.
3) Attendance size didn't seem to match the crowd noise (I know, there's no indication of the attendance, but considering it's Torquay, it sounded a lot more than 6,000 fans)
4) no real sounds from the game itself, aside from ball touches (which were not timed right), and the ref's whistles.

All in all, it's still rather boring. I know it's a cosmetic thing, but I see the FIFA series, and the crowd noise is so much more realistic, it really adds a lot of value in immersing the player into the game, perhaps moreso than even the animation or the graphics. I still feel that this is something that SI is taking with very little seriousness.

sanjin84
01-11-2008, 04:55
I think its gonna be OK.
http://www.gamekult.com/video/9270602/

msadler04
01-11-2008, 10:39
I think its gonna be OK.
http://www.gamekult.com/video/9270602/


Thats very interesting because its working perfectly ok in that video, its flashing goal as it hits the net!! :-)

Support Monkey
01-11-2008, 11:17
I'm also a bit worried about the goal flash happening before the ball crosses the line.

I've looked at the videos quite a bit & it seems to happen when the ball passes the goalie rather than the line.

Where's the goal line technology, dam you SI!! :-p

I'm sure it's sorted in the gold version & all will be well for release, if not I'm sure it's a priority for 1st patch.

It won't stop me playing it that's for sure!!

Just over 12 hours til demo, get in...

Carl87
01-11-2008, 15:52
I think its gonna be OK.
http://www.gamekult.com/video/9270602/

It looked all right in that video.

Oh well, we'll have to wait and see.

peter-evo
01-11-2008, 15:59
It looked all right in that video.

Oh well, we'll have to wait and see.

That video is an older version and PaulC has already conceded that the youtube video was from the gold code and a patch will be released to rectify the problem. He didn't think it was a big enough problem to change and open up the probability of other bugs!

tigerhgrrrrrr
01-11-2008, 16:24
Cant wait til Midnight, I want some more in match footage, gimmee gimmee gimmee!

LOL

Soulie
01-11-2008, 21:00
however, when watching a football game anyway, you somtimes know a goal has been scored before it is in the net, ie.. one on one with the goalkeeper, the ball going past the keeper, unless a big lump of mud slows the ball down, its 1-0, the player is already sometimes celebrating before it going past the line