Navie Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Who thinks players should have CA over 200? I'm sure in the future there will be players who are way, way, way better than Messi or Ronaldo, with the continous advances in medicine and the human genome project...humans will be much better, stronger, faster, cleverer so is this an arugable point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmurfDude Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Should this not be asked in the future when players who are way, way better than Ronaldo and Messi actually exist Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 What SmurfDude said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBrooker Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 We have already seen players that are better than Messi and Ronaldo. What value are their PAs anyway? Surely they aren't 199? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHAVFC Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 This is a bit of a silly thread in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 agreed, pointless Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-evo Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 He has a point but we don't know how football will evolve so best to keep the attributes similar to now in regens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 We have already seen players that are better than Messi and Ronaldo. What value are their PAs anyway? Surely they aren't 199? They are 195 IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serdar Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Better training methods wont apply to particular players but everyone and eventually overall physical aspect of the is increasing constantly. So if we have an even faster CRonaldo type of player after 10 years, average defender he is facing will be faster too so I dont see any need for FM to have higher numbers. I always think if Maradona at the age of 25 would come to play this weekend in premiership in a condition as he was 20 years ago, I dont think he can dominate the game anymore(for sure he will be still considered as a very good player but not a one man team) as he used to because his opposition will be now much stronger and faster even if they are no match to him technically. Not even the worst English Natioan team roster during the last 10 years would let him make that 60 meters sprint from the halfway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robi_ts Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 you're a ******. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djhdjh Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Everyone would be getting better because of the better training so relative to other players they wouldn't improve at all, therefore no need to change it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kreman Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 I always think if Maradona at the age of 25 would come to play this weekend in premiership in a condition as he was 20 years ago, I dont think he can dominate the game anymore(for sure he will be still considered as a very good player but not a one man team) as he used to because his opposition will be now much stronger and faster even if they are no match to him technically. Not even the worst English Natioan team roster during the last 10 years would let him make that 60 meters sprint from the halfway. But Diego would also have the benfit of modern training and would be a better athelete because of it. It is alsways hard to compare players across different generations, but someone with the skill level of Maradona would do the business where and whenever he played. Kind of off topic there, so back to it ...... this post is a bit redundant until such human improvements are evident and this is x-men or heroes, so i think we may have to wait a bit for there to be a 250 PA player - who can fly and/or regenerate or maybe be able to move in space and time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
longyt Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 players would just be scaled back in proportion to the best players in the world. so like, if someone is way better than ronaldo, then they would have a 195-197 PA, and ronaldo would drop back to like 188 PA, and this carries on down the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nerner Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 I don't think that this is a good idea, as surely in about 75 years of game time, players will have 271 PAs and it will be unreal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomis07 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Should this not be asked in the future when players who are way, way better than Ronaldo and Messi actually exist Players like that have existed already e.g. Best, Cryuff, Maradona etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_b Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 I always think if Maradona at the age of 25 would come to play this weekend in premiership in a condition as he was 20 years ago, I dont think he can dominate the game anymore(for sure he will be still considered as a very good player but not a one man team) as he used to because his opposition will be now much stronger and faster even if they are no match to him technically. Not even the worst English Natioan team roster during the last 10 years would let him make that 60 meters sprint from the halfway. :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rakhabbit Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 :) yeah rly ... Players train harder, train longer, and are fitter the ball is different and the shorts are SHORTER!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh_b Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Did you even look at the link that shows someone dribbling from his own box in a champions league game to set someone up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon army 06 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Who thinks players should have CA over 200? I'm sure in the future there will be players who are way, way, way better than Messi or Ronaldo, with the continous advances in medicine and the human genome project...humans will be much better, stronger, faster, cleverer so is this an arugable point? mate no because there is players from even 60 years ago better than anyone intodays game the likes of duncan edwards,tom finney,puskas,di stefano the game will improve but in the future like in 40 years there will be some players then who are not as good as some in todays game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon army 06 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Better training methods wont apply to particular players but everyone and eventually overall physical aspect of the is increasing constantly. So if we have an even faster CRonaldo type of player after 10 years, average defender he is facing will be faster too so I dont see any need for FM to have higher numbers.I always think if Maradona at the age of 25 would come to play this weekend in premiership in a condition as he was 20 years ago, I dont think he can dominate the game anymore(for sure he will be still considered as a very good player but not a one man team) as he used to because his opposition will be now much stronger and faster even if they are no match to him technically. Not even the worst English Natioan team roster during the last 10 years would let him make that 60 meters sprint from the halfway. maradonna would dominate plus i don't know if defenders are stronger in his day he could get kicked off the park that is not alloud nowadays so he would be even more of a threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minisav Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 maradonna would dominate plus i don't know if defenders are stronger in his day he could get kicked off the park that is not alloud nowadays so he would be even more of a threat. Same for Pele. He said he could have scored much more than 1000 if he'd been born later. Particularly the goals for Brazil when he kicked about by the lieks of Russia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bRAzIL Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 you're a ******. Ignorant **** Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBrooker Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 It's extremely difficult to compare players from different generations and players such as Messi and Ronaldo benefit from the fact that their every move is recorded by various different cameras. However, there is no doubt we have already seen better players than Messi and Ronaldo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJdeMarco Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 with the continous advances in medicine and the human genome project...humans will be much better, stronger, faster, cleverer so is this an arugable point? Only if we haven't destroyed ourselves first or been wiped out by nature redressing the balance. In answer to the 200+ PA question, I would say no as the numbers are there to symbolise a sliding scale of players in current football. In future versions, if your theory about humans becoming smarter, stronger and faster becomes reality, then not only will a 200PA player be better, so will a 1PA player. So using the sliding scale between 1 and 200 is perfectly feasible both now and in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ljuba82 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Here was some interesting thread about PA and CA...and I'm so sorry that people are not posting there now... ...I really think that this kind of system need changing... For example...even the best players, with PA of 190+ have a weak spots. You can not have a 200 CA striker who is very fast, good in the air and have best techical and mental stats. We were making some calculations on that thread...and estimation is that every player have to have 270 CA if his attributes are going to be all 20's. But in theory...it's possible for one player to be better in all aspects of game from every player (obviously it may not happen in 1000 years, but is theoreticaly possible.) The other problem is existance of "free attributes". For example central defender with determination, finishing,all set pieces attributes, crossing, teamwork (all free attributes for CD) of 20 have the same CA like CD with same other attributes, just with all of this free att mentioned with value of 1. But it's obvious that 1st CD is better that the 2nd one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 ridiculous tbh, there isn't going to be a 200 CA player, because that would require strikers to be brilliant defenders, Midfielders who are great both defending and attacking, defenders to be brilliant going forward, or Goalkeepers who are great outfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesYesOhYay Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 i can name 2 players better than messi and ronaldo: Kaka! and darren anderton! (obviously!) lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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