Wen1234 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Arsenal is normally one of the richest AI clubs, and they were annoying me by putting in bids for something like ten of my players at once every so often, so I thought I'd be nice and sell my good youngsters to them. Then, I used the international caps "feature": This had a detrimental effect on their finances and league position: Now I'm in the process of buying my players (am wondering if I should try to buy their whole squad, wonder what would happen!) back on the cheap. Yes, I know, it's a silly exploit, just curious if anyone else had fun with it crippling their rivals. Ten seasons in with a big club, you kinda run out of things to do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumbledSausage Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 The closest I've come to taking advantage of something like this is after Liverpool signed a striker, Ivan Bruno (not sure if he's a regen or not) for £18 million pounds. They promptly went bankrupt and I managed to pick him up for £0 + 50% future sales clause. (I was Real Madrid at the time). Needless to say, they are never going to get the 50% sale fee because the striker is now 33, and will be released at the end of his current contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terras-FM Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Wow well i never Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon07 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 i have seen this, think i have a screen shot saved to a word program.... they also got relegated!! but this was like in 2030! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortonous Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Seen it happen to teams like Man Utd and Liverpool but never Arsenal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie MUFC Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 *Makes notes* Mwahaha... :evilgrin: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackemManager Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Ive seen Man Utd docked 9 points for going bankrupt. Around the same year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warrenwwr Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Iv'e never seen the big 4 get broke. Arsenal gets richer than Barca and Real in my games...I hope this is fixed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Äktsjon Männ Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Iv'e never seen the big 4 get broke. United and/or Liverpool nearly always do in long term games. It is because their real life debt is coded into the game and the interests are set to count directly against the clubs bank balance, which is not the exact case IRL. This should definitely be looked at for future versions, it's unrealistic to see those two clubs with great history simply vanish into obscurity just like that, without anyone in the game raising an eyebrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsk360 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 in my game in 2041 chelsea got docked points for administation ...and arsenal was the richest...with fulham 2nd!!!!!COYW! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekluse Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Iv'e never seen the big 4 get broke. Arsenal gets richer than Barca and Real in my games...I hope this is fixed I don't think I have ever had a career game in which I didn't see Man Utd followed by Liverpool go broke and end up bouncing around champ and league 1. I've never seen Arsenal do it though, usually I see Chelsea struggle and Aston Villa, West Ham, Arsenal always 3 of the top clubs worldwide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHAVFC Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 This happens a lot in long term games. There's a saved game in the challenges forum where the player is in 2207 and the richest club in the world is York City. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kccircle Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Never seen the big four finish our side of the top 7 in my game - I'm 10 seasons in. Arsenal have £1.2b more than the next team (not a typo) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne\'o Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 when things like this happen is does make you wonder who test these games and if they should actually continue to do so hey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHAVFC Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 I'm 10 seasons in and Chelsea are very close to being relegated. 19th position in February. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vangto Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 i have also been docked points as Man Utd in about 2018, had a failed management buy out and then got taken over by a consortium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wen1234 Posted October 8, 2008 Author Share Posted October 8, 2008 Arsenal hardly ever gets broke though, due to a huge stadium, small debt, and having a great young squad (which means if the AI buys crappily, like it usually does, the club can still do well). In my game they were one of the richest teams, with a transfer budget of something around $150 million, which is why they were tossing in bids for players constantly. The point is intentionally bankrupting a rival by selling them more players than they can afford heh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dexta200 Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 that is brilliant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gipsy Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 In my game (2024 or something) 2 seasons ago Man UTD finished 15th in the league, then got points deducted as they were going in administration and due to this were relegated hehehe Barca has been trying to regain its illustrious place but are stuck in 2nd div for 3 years (got close to the relegation to 3rd division...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GillsMan Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Sorry - what's the exploit the OP talked about? First I've heard of it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
damienroden Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 most probaly he is an international manager and has an after so many caps clause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manutdthereds Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 In my game in 2051 Arsenal are worth £1.56B !!! And they are 2nd on the list !!!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomis07 Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 I heard that Man Utd always get deducted point around about 2018 so I began my save with the intention of taking over and doing a Fergie with them. It was 2025 before there was any sign of them entering financial meltdown, then I got a trojan had to reboot and lost my game So that was the end of that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kippax1977 Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Id never heard of this international appearance "feature" gave it a try last night. Arsenal now have to pay me (Bradford City) 30 million for Mergim Hereqi after 10 caps (valued at 3.1million). Can you do it with just 1 cap and does it work with goals scored? Not that im gunna cheat, just out of curiosity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Brill Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 There was a story on yahoo I think, apparently 1 of the big 4 is getting more and more into debt and COULD face administration in the next 5 years or so, obviously there was no formal name but it said a "big" English football team so I guess me saying a "Top 4" team may be a bit extreme but nowadays when the press talk about a big English club it is normally aimed at 1 of these 4! Personally if it'll be any of them I think it will either be Man Utd or Arsenal as they are the 1's with less investment these days unlike Liverpool and Chelsea having rich owners to keep them afloat! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHAVFC Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Liverpool don't have rich owners. They had to take out a massive loan just to buy the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gipsy Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 UPDATE: Man Utd which is already in the Championship due to going into admin a few seasons back, just went into admin once more and will certainly end up in 3rd division by the end of the season ^^ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_G_32201 Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 UPDATE: Man Utd which is already in the Championship due to going into admin a few seasons back, just went into admin once more and will certainly end up in 3rd division by the end of the season ^^ brilliant news can i get a screen? i could do with a laugh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gipsy Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Sure ^^ Here the nice little news, I'm in season 2024/2025 btw and .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thebaker Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 United and/or Liverpool nearly always do in long term games. It is because their real life debt is coded into the game and the interests are set to count directly against the clubs bank balance, which is not the exact case IRL. This should definitely be looked at for future versions, it's unrealistic to see those two clubs with great history simply vanish into obscurity just like that, without anyone in the game raising an eyebrow. You don't know its not realistic, with the credit crunch at the moment in 5-10 years it might happen IRL, several championship teams have gone into administration,its only a matter of time before a prem team does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 United and/or Liverpool nearly always do in long term games. It is because their real life debt is coded into the game and the interests are set to count directly against the clubs bank balance, which is not the exact case IRL. This should definitely be looked at for future versions, it's unrealistic to see those two clubs with great history simply vanish into obscurity just like that, without anyone in the game raising an eyebrow. Thing is, Chelsea and Man Utd both have the biggest debts. Ironically, I read this post the day Sky Sports News is talking about big clubs and loan debts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manutdthereds Posted October 8, 2008 Share Posted October 8, 2008 Looks like FC United of Manchester is our way forward at that time then ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardog Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 United and/or Liverpool nearly always do in long term games. It is because their real life debt is coded into the game and the interests are set to count directly against the clubs bank balance, which is not the exact case IRL. This should definitely be looked at for future versions, it's unrealistic to see those two clubs with great history simply vanish into obscurity just like that, without anyone in the game raising an eyebrow. Galatasary IRL. Their Casuals/firm/thugs(whatever you want to call them) saved them by giving them £3M to stop them folding. There was a story on yahoo I think, apparently 1 of the big 4 is getting more and more into debt and COULD face administration in the next 5 years or so, obviously there was no formal name but it said a "big" English football team so I guess me saying a "Top 4" team may be a bit extreme but nowadays when the press talk about a big English club it is normally aimed at 1 of these 4! Personally if it'll be any of them I think it will either be Man Utd or Arsenal as they are the 1's with less investment these days unlike Liverpool and Chelsea having rich owners to keep them afloat! I know Plattini is strongly against all the foreign owners and trying to stop thme. Also apparently Chelsea's depts are all to Abramovic and interest free with no time scale to pay back . - bbc news Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinso Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 i've only ever seen it happen once to one of the big clubs, that was man u. usually arsenal are buying everyone in sight and winning just about everything. mind you, furthest ive played up to is around 2019... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweaks Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 i'm wondering if Feyenoord in FM09 wont have a budget to buy players cause they can't irl. And they have a bill from the tax. around 5Mil.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDR Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Can believe it with any of the big 4, tbh. If Arsenal fail to qualify for Champs. League then they'll be skint quicker than you can say 'Leeds'. Chelsea will be for it if Roman decides to go, since I believe he's bankrolled the club but in the form of loans to the club, not outright cash gifts. Might be wrong. Liverpool's owners are basically broke, and only Man Utd really stand secure and that's largely because of international merchandising - though they do have the Glazer's debt on their books. As for it being impossible/unthinkable for teams with history to fold, Accrington Stanley had history when they folded in the 1960s; Wolves as good as went in the early 80s; Leeds weren't far from becoming extinct...and smaller clubs have gone in greater numbers: Newport County, Aldershot, Maidstone to name but three (Boston Utd, if you want four, though they didn't really fold, just got kicked down the leagues - like that'll help). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
damienroden Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 These 'big' clubs will be safe, as long as they keep getting revenue,prize money etc. from europe, they have based their future earnings on continued success, but I am sure they have a few a little more sensible than ridsdale, and do actually have a plan if everything goes tits up. reading the gossip column on the bbc it says 3 premier ship clubs have been contacted by banks about their debts, warning them or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ainu Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 With the Premier League in its current state, one would start to think that if any of the big clubs like United or Liverpool face a financial disaster there will be some Middle-Eastern group to get them out of trouble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Aja Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 This happens a lot in long term games. There's a saved game in the challenges forum where the player is in 2207 and the richest club in the world is York City. Didn't know about that particular challenge Tom, I might give it a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanb2k8 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I've had it happen on my Hull game with Bolton. I bought Huntelaar and Walcott of them. KJH for 3m and Walcott for 4.5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Marc Vaughan Posted October 9, 2008 SI Staff Share Posted October 9, 2008 Sure ^^and .... Thats a bug surely ..... ..... ..... Brighton shouldn't be getting relegated (sorry - couldn't resist ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyB Gas Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 In my game in 2023, Arsenal and Chelsea are both in admin, and Man Utd are in the Championship after going into admin last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gipsy Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Yuou are completely right Marc, the game just goes insane after season 2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Äktsjon Männ Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Thing is, Chelsea and Man Utd both have the biggest debts. Ironically, I read this post the day Sky Sports News is talking about big clubs and loan debts. They may have the biggest debts (although technically Manchester United do not have debts, Red Football Ltd do), but that does not mean they pay a monthly lump sum out of the clubs bank balance for interests. That's just not how this business works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mogstalad Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 im in 2023 and manchester city have just been docked 9 points, so therefore lost the title to arsenal in effect as they were ahead of them till the points deduction in february. i still couldnt catch them with whitby town (H) and finished 3rd. ive also seen charlton and forest green rovers go into administration as well, and i thought that it would be cool if a club could fold and come back as, say, fc charlton or charlton rovers, or another name if you get my drift?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pontiac69 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 In one of my seasons, Man Utd was in league one, had been docked dozens of points for bankruptcy. They had Old Traffords capacity reduced to 40,000 because it was falling apart, poor training facilities and bare minimum youth academy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbowie Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 MU have a potentially disastrous debt. Both IRL and in-game. The club needs to be successful to remain afloat. Failure to do so will result in the events above potentially happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_G_32201 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Sure ^^Here the nice little news, I'm in season 2024/2025 btw and .... nice one! made my day....or i should say night its 1am here or even morning? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydfc4ever Posted October 10, 2008 Share Posted October 10, 2008 i use the international clause to get some decent cash for poor players. I'm the Liverpool and England manager and sold Pennant & Guthrie to Newcastle for $0 up front and a combined $40M after 10 international appearances. Happy to say Guthrie is set to play his 10th international tonight when I get home and Pennant will do the same once his injury has subsided. Neither has even made a start for England, or played more than 10 minutes, but a cap is a cap! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryknow Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 HAHAHA! wow you just destroyed a club lol. interesting feature I havnt used the international clause much, only the other clauses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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