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FM_returner
18-09-2008, 20:25
On FM07, one thing that always annoyed me was that the Players' Player and Writers' Player awards in Englandand Scotland were never won by the same person in the same year. In fact, the top 3 were always completely different. In real life these two awards are often won by the same person.

Did this change in FM08? If some of you guys could look for me I'd really appreciate it.

themoffster
18-09-2008, 20:59
The thing that annoyed me was you got the same rep increase for getting goal of the month in the english premier as you did for winning the scottish player of the year - 18 if I remember correctly from looking at the editor

davestu
18-09-2008, 21:50
In the 35 years of the PFA Player of the year the same player winning the Player of the Year has occured 14 times.

So under half, however, 8 of the last 11 have been the same. So it does tend to go more in that direction these days.

In conclusion...I agree :) Though could this be coded? Is it all or nothing? Would it mean there would have to be a random element invloved to allow for it to happen some years and not others?

FM_returner
18-09-2008, 22:40
Thanks davestu, but what I was looking for was for someone to look at their saved game and tell me how it works in FM08.

redlion1986
18-09-2008, 22:58
Thanks davestu, but what I was looking for was for someone to look at their saved game and tell me how it works in FM08.

If this is what you want, well here are the winners of the Player's Player of the Year and the Footballer of the Year awards for the Premier League from 2007-2014 in my current save.

Player's Player of the year:

[season: 1st, 2nd, 3rd]

07-08: Xabi Alonso, Fabregas, Trezeguet
08-09: Danielle Cacia, Essien, Robbie Keane
09-10: Danielle Cacia, Robinho, Quagliarella
10-11: Downing, Ribery, Torres
11-12: Rooney, Raul Garcia, Messi
12-13: Bianchi, James Vaughan, Artem Milevskiy
13-14: Walcott, Agbonlahor, Messi

Footballer of the Year:

07-08: Rooney, Adebayor, C. Ronaldo
08-09: Rooney, Adebayor, Drogba
09-10: Bianchi, Rooney, Raul Garcia
10-11: Bendtner, Raul Garcia, Joe Cole
11-12: Robinho, Rossi, Downing
12-13: Aguero, Downing, Agbonlahor
13-14: Aguero, Downing, Carlos Vela

I can get the Scottish ones as well if you want.

FM_returner
18-09-2008, 23:12
Thanks redlion.

This is totally unrealistic, not a single person in the top 3 for both awards in the same year!

SmurfDude
18-09-2008, 23:19
The thing that annoyed me was you got the same rep increase for getting goal of the month in the english premier as you did for winning the scottish player of the year - 18 if I remember correctly from looking at the editor

But the Scottish league is watched by what, a couple dozen people who support Celtic and Rangers? Compare that with the millions who watch EPL each weekend and it makes sense

dirty1982dec
18-09-2008, 23:22
But the Scottish league is watched by what, a couple dozen people who support Celtic and Rangers? Compare that with the millions who watch EPL each weekend and it makes sense


oooh, get you and your sarcasm. how many people went to lisbon for that celtic uefa cup final? and how many rangers fans tore up manchester earlier this year?

davestu
18-09-2008, 23:46
Thanks davestu, but what I was looking for was for someone to look at their saved game and tell me how it works in FM08.

Yeah I saw that, but thought I could post in support of you reguardless.

FM_returner
19-09-2008, 01:13
Yeah I saw that, but thought I could post in support of you reguardless.

Thanks mate :)




Anyway, the awards were like this in 07 too. I hope it's fixed in 09.

FM_returner
19-09-2008, 13:52
Is no-one else bothered by this?

I'd rather this stuff get sorted than time spent developing a 3D engine.

Neji
19-09-2008, 13:54
I never pay attention to the awards really. I see it as more cosmetic than important, so no, I'd rather the 3D engine is done properly and other areas are improved upon.

DPG
19-09-2008, 14:25
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Is no-one else bothered by this?

I'd rather this stuff get sorted than time spent developing a 3D engine.


Really?

FM_returner
19-09-2008, 14:47
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Really?

Yes. I love the game because it lets you manage in a world that is meant to represent the real football world. If these awards are completely and utterly unrealistic, it shatters that illuson totally.

PGB_SPURS_FM09
19-09-2008, 15:23
I always find that whoever they tip to be the winner for an award in the news never actually gets it its the other contenders lol. I do think its weird sometimes when the awards don't match up, e.g footballer of the year and world footballer of the year... surely if your world footballer of the year then you should be footballer of the year too? Or am i missing something?

FM_returner
19-09-2008, 15:31
I always find that whoever they tip to be the winner for an award in the news never actually gets it its the other contenders lol. I do think its weird sometimes when the awards don't match up, e.g footballer of the year and world footballer of the year... surely if your world footballer of the year then you should be footballer of the year too? Or am i missing something?

One of them is voted by FIFA and one is voted for by readers of a French magazine.

But yes, they should sometimes be the same. To ALWAYS be different is totally unrealistic.

FM_returner
20-09-2008, 05:05
I never pay attention to the awards really. I see it as more cosmetic than important, so no, I'd rather the 3D engine is done properly and other areas are improved upon.

I'd like to see other areas improved too but it's a shame if something as simple to fix as this is left buggy again in FM09. Ruins the game for me.

Neji
20-09-2008, 12:15
I'd like to see other areas improved too but it's a shame if something as simple to fix as this is left buggy again in FM09. Ruins the game for me.

Well, in all honesty, do you think this has been reported in the bugs forum?

If not, then SI probably imagine that nothing is wrong with it, like me. Report it in the bugs forum and it may get fixed :thup:

SCIAG
20-09-2008, 12:19
One of them is voted by FIFA and one is voted for by readers of a French magazine.

But yes, they should sometimes be the same. To ALWAYS be different is totally unrealistic.
He means the Player's Player of the Year or the Writer's Player of the Year, not the Ballon d'Or (or whatever it's meant to be called)

TomHAVFC
20-09-2008, 13:14
I'd like to know what the difference is between European Midfielder of the year and Midfielder of the Year and Defender etc etc Because they always seem to be the same person on my game anyway.

FM_returner
20-09-2008, 18:20
Well, in all honesty, do you think this has been reported in the bugs forum?

If not, then SI probably imagine that nothing is wrong with it, like me. Report it in the bugs forum and it may get fixed :thup:

Thanks mate, just have done now.

My Broken Metatarsal
20-09-2008, 20:32
I would also add that the guys winning these awards IRL are usually the most coveted players, but in FM when a player wins an award it doesn't change their valuation, you don't see a host of clubs being interested in them etc, players who get the golden boot in the World cup or European Cup should have a lot of interest and their valuation should sky rocket imo, but I've mentioned elsewhere that the AI seems to ignore form and just looks at the CA and PA, perhaps Reputation is figured in too, but I agree with you it ruins the illusion of reality

AB-forever
20-09-2008, 20:35
I would also add that the guys winning these awards IRL are usually the most coveted players, but in FM when a player wins an award it doesn't change their valuation, you don't see a host of clubs being interested in them etc, players who get the golden boot in the World cup or European Cup should have a lot of interest and their valuation should sky rocket imo, but I've mentioned elsewhere that the AI seems to ignore form and just looks at the CA and PA, perhaps Reputation is figured in too, but I agree with you it ruins the illusion of reality

IIRC reputation means a lot more to an AI manager than CA (and possibly PA).

FM_returner
21-09-2008, 06:17
Right guys, I'm trying an experiemt.

I've edited the Footballer of the Year Award (and Football Writers' Award in Scotland) with the official editor so that it is based on who gets the most MoMs in the season.

Therefore now, the Players' Player award will still be a player vote, but the Footballer award will be based on something more concrete than just the media picking three "also-rans" (as they are always different to the players' player top three).

I've left a holiday game running while I'm at work so I'll let you know how it pans out. Hopefully it will lead to more realistic awards in England (and Scotland).