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guatemalaunder30steam
11-09-2008, 00:29
Especially with free signings setting it to "Key Player", to make them prefer your club?

Or finding that your board won't allow the required performance fee or basic wage, selecting "Key Player" for a young prospect to adjust the missing sum to player requirements?

I do sometimes. Not always of course but it's better to lie than lose out on a good signing to a rival club.

r0x0r
11-09-2008, 00:32
Only if I really have to. I really prefer not to.

If it's that or miss out on the 17 year old wonderkid with 7 star potential for just 400k... Sure i'll lie to the big headed little idiot!

Mike7077
11-09-2008, 00:33
I do it. Sometimes you have to to get the player you want. It's never really caused me any major problems.

massum
11-09-2008, 01:10
no, because when he signs and then you change it, they feel they have been brought to the club on false pretenses.

tomtuck01
11-09-2008, 01:14
no, because when he signs and then you change it, they feel they have been brought to the club on false pretenses.
Ditto.

1010

Soccer Manager
11-09-2008, 01:21
After you sign them under the inflated team role, wait a month or two, and offer them a new contract with their real team role. As long as you can afford the wages, the player will not be unhappy at the change of role under a new contract.

crafty bison
11-09-2008, 01:39
The game sort of scales them differently now anyway. In the old CM series they meant what they said, but now you can call someone an "important first team player" when he's actually in a rotation system, and similarly if you say "is used in a squad rotation system" what you mean is that he is backup. I only ever use "is a backup to the first team" to youth players I've just brought into the first-team squad and only get substitute appearances or possibly start one or two league games in the year - and rightly they should be called hot prospects. It's like the game's definitions of the roles all need to be shifted up one.

crafty bison
11-09-2008, 01:40
Also, if you loan a player out when he's a decent young player, then offer him a contract as a first team player (or whatever) and he signs, when he comes back from loan he will be listed as decent young player again. Just a little bug you can exploit if you want. I don't, I just change it back again to whatever I said when I offered the contract.

Fqdd
11-09-2008, 01:50
I just offer him the "team role" that allows me to pay him what he wants...

mizan
11-09-2008, 02:16
I just offer him the "team role" that allows me to pay him what he wants...

what he said!!!

wardog
11-09-2008, 02:40
what he said!!!

and im the same

nots
11-09-2008, 02:42
i try to offer them what they are going to be playing in but sometimes i let it slip for some potential stars or even players who are going to be first teamers and want alot of money so i set em to key players (even if they are not)

Smac
11-09-2008, 02:56
I do it. Sometimes you have to to get the player you want. It's never really caused me any major problems.

Exactly, and I think it could be better. Too easy to exploit now (well, since '06 really). You should occasionally get the player who makes a big stink about it and plays horribly until you transfer him. A pretty big betrayal when you think about it.

Of course I do it. Only because I can get away with it.

100% of players seem to get over 'feels like he was brought to (your team) under false pretenses' within the first 6 months, if that. In reality I think some players would slander you and try to bring the team down if they were set on the bench as 'backup to the first team' when brought to the club as a 'key player'. I dunno, maybe something is detracted from the team cohesion without being obvious. (am getting paranoid)

rinso
11-09-2008, 04:34
absolutely!! all that matters is getting the signature on the dotted line. once theyve done that, there's no going back!!

lee50_11
11-09-2008, 08:03
only if i have to yeah

Themistofelis
11-09-2008, 08:51
No , rotation means rotation , my target is to create two equal squads that can rotate game after game , usually i have no indispensable players after 3 seasons

Jimbokav1971
11-09-2008, 08:55
I try to tell the truth where I can, because it obviously affects a players expectations.

Sometimes a player might only be interested in signing if he is given a certain role in the team. IN the case of talented youngsters, I might be keen on signing them, but not too keen on making them a regular starter immediately so I will lie when offering them a contract, but then change it immediately bafterwards.

When you are short on funds you arec also allowed to offer a larger wage to a more important player so in this case I might up the role that the player is gong to given. Again I would change this to the truth immediately after signing.

FrazT
11-09-2008, 08:57
Never lie- but may be economical with the truth from time to time , if the needs of the team and my ego demand it.

Nomis07
11-09-2008, 08:57
In my youth I lied all the time about contracts, these days I don't lie, but there have been occasions where i've given a "first team" contract then changed my mind after a few weeks or because of a better player becoming available.

DJ Complete
11-09-2008, 09:39
no, because when he signs and then you change it, they feel they have been brought to the club on false pretenses.

Not if you offer them a new contract as soon as you sign them. So if you sign them on a key player contract, when they have joined your club they will most probably accept a First team or squad rotation contract on the same money.

Ryknow
11-09-2008, 12:02
After you sign them under the inflated team role, wait a month or two, and offer them a new contract with their real team role. As long as you can afford the wages, the player will not be unhappy at the change of role under a new contract.


Yeah I do the same as you. Sometimes wonderkids want you to offer them at least a first team member slot, which they wont get. Then at a club that doesnt have heaps to spend you have to offer key player position to give them maximum wages

HD
11-09-2008, 13:06
I don't care any more. Far too often I've signed a player to a "backup" contract only for him to start moaning very quickly about a lack of first team opportunities. If he's going to moan he'll moan, no matter the role.

Ainu
11-09-2008, 13:25
No. I try to treat my players like human beings with distinctive characters. I once got a bid accepted for a still young Aaron Lennon as Manchester United manager (you know he can become a great player in the game). He demanded a key role and a pretty big wage. I immediately withdrew my offer because of his arrogance. He didn't have enough quality at the time to play a meaningful role in my first team, let alone a key role. I like to imagine that my players are aware of their qualities and limits, and he definately wasn't.

Taras_Shevchenko
11-09-2008, 13:31
I do what i want do to.
If i want to bring in somebody (especially young), I lie; with 17 years he can't pretend to hold a first team place. They may moan, but when a new season starts, they normally come back to earth and realize they should shut up.

philly_flyer10
11-09-2008, 13:37
Yes, all players have an over inflated opinion of themselves. Its virtually impossible to build a good team without offering everyone 1st team or key player contracts.

Anyway, you can sign a player to a backup role and they moan anyway so the option is useless anyway, especially for goalies.

Carl87
11-09-2008, 13:41
Now and again, mainly when I make a panic signing.

glamdring
11-09-2008, 13:50
I do whatever I wish to do in each individual case. Some players are only worth signing if they will accept what I first want to offer them, others I'll do absolutely everything it takes to get them to sign and then deal with the fall out afterwards - this mostly happens when trying to bag a Bosman signing though - people I'm paying transfer fees for I'll generally only move heaven and earth to sign them if they are actually going to be an integral part of my team.

kserasera
11-09-2008, 14:12
no, because when he signs and then you change it, they feel they have been brought to the club on false pretenses.

They'll get over it after a few games tho..

ssestig
11-09-2008, 14:19
sometimes tbh

Arkim
11-09-2008, 15:52
If I'm desperate and in need of the player, yes.

Daniel Foster
11-09-2008, 16:26
I give em whatever they request or whatever squad role will give me the wages they want.

Matty Hart
11-09-2008, 16:44
I just offer him the "team role" that allows me to pay him what he wants...

Ditto, i always do this.

Evon
11-09-2008, 16:50
no, because when he signs and then you change it, they feel they have been brought to the club on false pretenses.

They get over it pretty quickly. If they don't I don't want them if they're going to cry about it. I only lie about their roles if I have to anyway.

Klimowicz
12-09-2008, 11:38
i sign the player as a key player so i can match his wage demands (only if i really need him and its the only contract he'll negotiate), but i wouldn't change his squad status until a good few months after.

Ranbir
12-09-2008, 13:11
Of course I lie, this is business.

Besides, their whole whining about false pretences goes away soon enough. Must be because of the lovely high salary I've given them.

Of course the lie is only for a player I want very badly, otherwise if they won't accept being a 2nd class player, they can eff off!

KDR
12-09-2008, 13:52
Lie to get them in? Yes. Though usually it's because of the salary cap the board place on what I think will be their true role, i.e. rotation allows 1k, they want 1.5, my wage structure allows 1.6 for key players. What am I going to do?
In any case, all new arrivals in my clubs play a few reserve games while they bed in, unless there is a dire emergency. Otherwise I've found even good players look rubbish because they don't 'know' the system, team mates, etc (if that is actually simulated and not just my imagination).
Of course, some fail to perform even in the reserves, at least at first, so I wait until their ratings, etc improve. If they whinge, they whinge. I just tell them to work harder in training, etc, and if/when they make the first team, to prove a point. Those who want to stay and play for the club accept it. Those that don't or have massive egos tend to complain again soon after or reject my argument outright. That's fair enough: it's what the transfer list is for.

javier_83
12-09-2008, 13:56
if i need the money to get the player yes!!

Scotty Walds
12-09-2008, 15:10
Only if they are a huge prospect and will only sign for Rotation or above

N^G
13-09-2008, 10:48
I just tell the players whatever it takes to get them to sign. If they are good enough they will get in the team and won't whine. If they aren't good enough they will sit in the reserves and whine regardless of what status was agreed upon their recruitment. Then get sold!

stokielad26
13-09-2008, 11:29
Only for youth players that wont join for the team roles decent player/hot prospect:D

Kain
13-09-2008, 11:51
I currently have 13 key players and 7 first team players in my squad. Yes, they get a bit arsey if you change their status after they sign, so I do the obvious thing.. don't change it. Wait until they want clarification on their role and then change it, very rarely have any players getting upset.

NCFC Gee
13-09-2008, 12:39
I say whatever it takes to bring them in regardless of how i intend them to fit into my squad, i've yet to have any problems.