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roberto922
31-07-2008, 02:38
The year is 2186, while waiting for those pesky martians to show up with their atomic screwdrivers the human race has continued to play that sport they call football.

Over the past 179 years the face of football has changed completely, the likes of Brentford, Farsley and Kidderminster have enjoyed great title success while 41 times winners Liverpool languish in League 2.

Over the next month or two I will, depending on the popularity, be releasing fortnightly or monthly challenges involving my 2186 save game and other save games that I will be uploading as time goes on.

The first challenge will be posted once the save game has been uploaded to filefront.

Notes

The save game is over 174mb, runs on a large database with only the English leagues loaded, I have found that it runs well on my old laptop which has only 1gb ram and a bad processor, if you feel that your computer will not be able to handle this file then please don't waste mine and your time by DLing it and then complaining if it doesn't run well.

Screenshots must be shown for the appropriate league table, Cup progress, transfers and any other screenshots that are stated as specific to the challenge.

How to upload a screenshot:

1. Press the Prt Scn button on your keyboard when on the appropriate screen.
2. Copy the image to paint and save it.
3. Upload to a free upload site like www.photobucket.com (http://www.photobucket.com)
4. copy the direct link and post it on this thread.

No third party software is allowed nor is any form of gaining an unfair advantage.

Please remain polite and respectful to each other with your posts, encourage each other rather than insulting each other when it goes wrong.

More details will be posted tomorrow.


EDIT: Save File: http://files.filefront.com/rob1fm/;11292134;/fileinfo.html

NepentheZ
31-07-2008, 02:45
would LOVE to see some screenies of players, records etc etc etc. Cant believe you're in 2186 :D

roberto922
31-07-2008, 02:59
The save game will be up very soon Nep, if theres any specific Screenies you want I can post them, not too many though.

NepentheZ
31-07-2008, 03:02
3 ok?

1. The highest valued player.
2. The Premier League Table of the last season.
3. The Premier League Goalscorer history.

Thanks, no bother if you cant, though.

roberto922
31-07-2008, 03:03
Yeahsure, gimme a minute to load the game up and get them on photobucket :)

roberto922
31-07-2008, 03:05
Is it you that was doing something similiar ages ago Nep?

NepentheZ
31-07-2008, 03:08
Nope. Just really interested in a lot of things going on that far. But I'm not the type to holiday for that long, and have never played past 2045

roberto922
31-07-2008, 03:09
Why goalscorer history btw? I'll upload the richest clubs for you, it's quite surprising :D

roberto922
31-07-2008, 03:13
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn49/ohmylife92/Finances2186.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn49/ohmylife92/Goalscorers2186.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn49/ohmylife92/HighestValue2186.jpg

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn49/ohmylife92/League2186.jpg

NepentheZ
31-07-2008, 03:16
Just want to see the level of goals scored over a regular basis.

IRL, the top goal scorer is always around 30 goals.

In my current game, (2026) - The prem has had a mass shortage of goals, with the scoring for each year as follows...

In date order, going from 2008 as the first name, and 2025 as the last...

Alves - 18
Santa Cruz - 19
Defoe - 18
Santa Cruz - 19
Torres - 20
Gignac - 21
Lanzafame - 18
Bendtner - 28
Derbyshire - 19
Bendtner - 22
Bendtner - 19
Russotto - 20
Jurgen - 23
Quinn - 24
Jara - 19
Saurer - 22
Porto - 22
Damman - 20

As you can see, only once did a player score over 25 league goals in the Prem. Which I find far too small. IRL, more than one player regularly gets around the 30 goal mark. So I'm just interested to see if this is strict to my game, or a complete generalization.

NepentheZ
31-07-2008, 03:18
Cheers for those screenies :D

Can't believe Farsley are top. Have you ever managed them? Did you holiday to get that far into the game?

Again with the goals, they're very very small amounts, aren't they. Quite odd. Will download the save game file, and look forward to having a few seasons in it :D

roberto922
31-07-2008, 03:19
Yeah I holidayed all the way through, the only time I took control of a club was to check on stuff eg the highest valued player.

roberto922
31-07-2008, 03:20
4 minutes left of upload :)

NepentheZ
31-07-2008, 03:20
Can't wait. Will be asleep while its downloading :D

roberto922
31-07-2008, 03:22
Lol I've gotta admit the files smaller than I thought it would be, it's only 174mb which I thinks pretty good for a 179 year game :D

roberto922
31-07-2008, 03:25
http://files.filefront.com/rob1fm/;11292134;/fileinfo.html

here you go, it should work if it doesn't tell me please :)

NepentheZ
31-07-2008, 03:26
Thats exceptionally small. My current save (2025) is 274mb. My other two saves (2036 and 2042) are 179 and 196 respectively.

Wonder why this one is so large :confused:

NepentheZ
31-07-2008, 03:27
Link works fine :thup: nice work. Downloading now. But am off to bed. Will have a play about with the save over the weekend.

markcator3006
31-07-2008, 03:27
Only 5 teams from the original Premiership still there 179 years on :D.

Downloading it now. What leagues do you have loaded in it btw?

roberto922
31-07-2008, 03:30
Just all the english ones, I'm in the middle of holidaying a Spanish one though.

markcator3006
31-07-2008, 04:00
Just finished downloading it, will probably give it a bash at some point over next few days.

roberto922
31-07-2008, 04:03
Ok, maybe try the challenge that'll probably be put on tomorrow?

roberto922
31-07-2008, 09:37
Bump, the challenge will be up in a bit

roberto922
31-07-2008, 09:38
It's compressed Nep, that might be why

Mike_Cardinal
31-07-2008, 09:42
Now that this is up Roberto, I can't help but download it for myself! So I will have a look around the database, and take part in any challenges. Is it okay for me to save a separate file away from the challenge, just to start games at my own pleasure on here because its really interesting the different scenarios, but obviously I want one saved just as it is to be on the same footing as everyone in the future challenges.

roberto922
31-07-2008, 09:45
Yeah sure, unless I copyright it :D

Mikel LUFC
31-07-2008, 09:45
Quick question what division are Leeds in?

roberto922
31-07-2008, 10:04
Not sure, I'm not on it atm, I'll check for you in a bit

Dale0718
31-07-2008, 10:13
nice to see that oxford are back where they belong :D
if only i could do that on my save game :)

Charlesbeams
31-07-2008, 10:37
ill download this, my internet will probably play up though haha.

it'll be good to see how teams are doing and stuff :D

Crayons
31-07-2008, 10:48
The Premiership looks very Londonish :D

QPR looking good, could you post they're cup history?

Razer82
31-07-2008, 11:01
roberto922 - Would you be able to post screenies for all the leagues that you've got loaded? Will be interesting to see how far some teams have fallen.

haza555
31-07-2008, 11:16
Instead of continuously bugging Roberto about the database you should try downloading the file he took the time to upload for yourselves.

Thanks Roberto, will have a play on it a little later, looking really good though.

Charlesbeams
31-07-2008, 12:01
downloaded this. good to see where teams are, what they've won and havnt haha

good to see the world cup history too :D

thank you very much!

Mike_Cardinal
31-07-2008, 12:15
Oh lord, Cov haven't even stayed in the Premiership for more than a season without going straight back down, in 179 years!

NepentheZ
31-07-2008, 13:39
Just been perusing the game, and am shocked to notice the following....

1. The physical attributes are atrocious. Especially "Jumping" - Closely followed by pretty much everything else. Some of the highest rated players in the game (going on value only) - have physical attributes in all areas ranging from 1 to 9 - I just cant believe it.! I thought I was having it bad, and that eventually the game would throw up some players with decent physical attributes, but it seems to be a lot bigger problem than I thought.

2. Money. So, I took over Arsenal, as its the club I support, just to have a look around the squad and what not. When I take over, the board let me know I have a huge transfer budget of over 350,000,000 and a wage budget of no less than 5.2 million pound per week. That shocked me, so I had a look at the finances, and Arsenal have nearly 900,000,000 in the bank.! So I started to look around the other clubs, and clubs as low as division 1 and 2 have 50,000,000+ and are splashing out copious amounts of money on players.

3. Goals. The highest scorer in the Prem was Fernando Torres with 27 goals. In 179 years nobody scored more than the guy who set the record on the first season? I don't think so. A lot of records from the 2008-2012 era still stand, and internationally players have exceptional amounts of goals, with one player on 143 goals in 50something caps. :eek:

I dread to think thats what it'll be if I ever actually play that far into the game.

haza555
31-07-2008, 14:33
Is anyone else having problems loading the game?

Edit: Never mind it worked eventually.

Wegason
31-07-2008, 15:36
Just been perusing the game, and am shocked to notice the following....

2. Money. So, I took over Arsenal, as its the club I support, just to have a look around the squad and what not. When I take over, the board let me know I have a huge transfer budget of over 350,000,000 and a wage budget of no less than 5.2 million pound per week. That shocked me, so I had a look at the finances, and Arsenal have nearly 900,000,000 in the bank.! So I started to look around the other clubs, and clubs as low as division 1 and 2 have 50,000,000+ and are splashing out copious amounts of money on players.


Number Two wouldn't be too bad if the game accounted for inflation, and the fact that wages for everyone will inevitably rise in monetary terms (not real terms). Thereby, league 2 footballers will be on 10k to 20k a week, and premiership footballers on closer to 250,000 a week.

Don't forget, that Trevor Francis was the first 1 million pound player, and that wages back in the 60's and 70's are much lower than they are now. Extrapolating a transfer budget of 350,000,000 in 2186 from a starting point of what 20 million in 2008 is not that huge.

However, my calculations would indicate that inflation is not factored in realistically as an annual rate of inflation of 2% a year would turn a 20m transfer budget in 2008 into a 3.817 billion budget in 2186 (3,817 million). A transfer budget of 350,000,000 would be hit, were inflation to be just 2% (unlikely) in just under a 100 years from now.

roberto922
31-07-2008, 15:46
Is anyone else having problems loading the game?

Edit: Never mind it worked eventually.

You mean the way it stayed on the starting bit for quite a fe minutes?

haza555
31-07-2008, 15:48
Yeah, it was loading for ages. Is that normal?

NepentheZ
31-07-2008, 15:49
Considering its 179 years into the future, I'd say a few minutes is pretty acceptable :D

Oh, and my drink has just run out :(

O\'Hara_fan
31-07-2008, 15:51
Some great stuff mate, I'm going to have a good look at it.

roberto922
31-07-2008, 15:53
Does it run alright through the season? I'm gonna get round to posting the challenge in the next hour

A True Fan
31-07-2008, 16:15
Just downloaded it and taken over as Wrexham (the team I support) and I'm trying to get used to the players. They've won the Premiership 3 times. :D I've noticed that every club has at least 20 favourite personel.

roberto922
31-07-2008, 16:27
Well in :D You me and Man U King all from Wrexham :) I was thinking, would it be worth putting a challenge up now? Instead you could post updates on your seasons with your chosen club?

Charlesbeams
31-07-2008, 16:30
haha not all people will go to a team ;) so putting up challenges might be good aswell, just for those who dont want to chose a team.

seeing Fulham in BSS, i thought getting them back to the prem would be a good challenge:P

A True Fan
31-07-2008, 16:31
Well in :D You me and Man U King all from Wrexham :) I was thinking, would it be worth putting a challenge up now? Instead you could post updates on your seasons with your chosen club?

Yeah put it up, it will gain a lot of interest, people will want to know how their club is fairing in the future.

A True Fan
31-07-2008, 16:43
How original is this? The Wrexham Stadium. They spent lots of time thinking of that name. ;)

markcator3006
31-07-2008, 16:44
For anyone who has the game loaded at moment, could you tell me what division Darlington are in please?

Cheers :)

The Havok
31-07-2008, 16:47
Could someone please upload this to somewhere other than filefront as it isn't working for me at the moment and i would really like to look at this save game.

EDIT: Nevermind i've got it working now

A True Fan
31-07-2008, 16:49
For anyone who has the game loaded at moment, could you tell me what division Darlington are in please?

Cheers :)

Blue Square North.

markcator3006
31-07-2008, 16:52
Blue Square North.

:( Will have to try and take them up the divisions

A True Fan
31-07-2008, 16:53
:( Will have to try and take them up the divisions

Just to add to the misery, they've never been above League 2.

mista T
31-07-2008, 16:56
to anyone who knows, can I have Tottenham's history screen pleasE? cheers

A True Fan
31-07-2008, 16:59
to anyone who knows, can I have Tottenham's history screen pleasE? cheers

The cup competitions screen?

roberto922
31-07-2008, 17:12
Right then:

Bring them hope Joanna

196 years ago in the year of 1990 Liverpools domination of the English league came to an end, at leat for 18 years it did anyway. In 2008 Liverpool finally regained the title and Norway celebrated like there was no tomorrow. Since then Liverpool have gone on to lift a further 22 titles, bringing their total to an enormous 41. Depite this they have struggled in recent years, in the year 2186 they are struggling in League Two. Due to new transport systems it is possible for the whole of Norway to watch the match at New Anfield, you have the weight of the Scandiniavians on your shoulders, can you hack it?

Target:

Stage One: Bring Liverpool up from League 2, get them up to the premiership and win the title. After that your first stage is done.

Stage Two: After you have won the premiership title or if you have a chance while you are at Liverpool, take over a Nation ranked outside the top 10 in the world rankings and win the World Cup.

Stage Three: The third and final step in this long and winding road. Everton last won the title in 1987, now that Liverpool are a major force once again you have been tasked with bringing glory back to Goodison Park (or its 2186 replacement) simply win the title with Everton and then you have finished.

A True Fan
31-07-2008, 17:25
to anyone who knows, can I have Tottenham's history screen pleasE? cheers

http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spurshistoryvw1.png

A True Fan
31-07-2008, 17:35
Just played my first friendly with Wrexham and I drew 2-2 with York who are in league 2 while I'm in the Championship, not the best result. But one of my strikers is near beating the all time goalscoring record.

Roberto

I'll start that challenge later tonight. :thup:

PaulHartman71
31-07-2008, 17:37
I'm sorry if this is something massively obvious, but what do Liverpool have to do with Norway?

death
31-07-2008, 17:39
Maybe something to do with rilse.

A True Fan
31-07-2008, 17:41
Maybe something to do with rilse.

Riise has moved to Roma though.

roberto922
31-07-2008, 17:45
It's a common joke about their support, mainly shared by Everton and Man U fans because they have more support there than on Merseyside :D

A True Fan
31-07-2008, 17:46
FM just crashed and I lost my data as I didn't save the work I had done, oh well. I'll start again.

haza555
31-07-2008, 17:48
Norway? O_o

roberto922
31-07-2008, 17:49
Unlucky lol, don't click when the games processing mate, because it's so far in I think it might be a bit more temperamental than you r average woman :D Nah Jk I don't think that's possible lol.

PaulHartman71
31-07-2008, 17:49
like Man United having more fans in London than in Manchester?

roberto922
31-07-2008, 17:50
Yeah! The fan club in Norway has something like 4 or 5 times more members than the english equivalent.

roberto922
31-07-2008, 17:50
Basically yeah, and us and Man City are the clubs that most people in the cities support.

A True Fan
31-07-2008, 18:03
I just saved it and found out that if takes about a decade to save.:D

Robert_296
31-07-2008, 18:05
I'd say most of the people in Liverpool support Liverpool. Everton fans just say that because people in foreign countries are more likely to support Liverpool becuase tbf Liverpool are a much bigger club

weeeman27bob
31-07-2008, 18:15
I'm sorry if this is something massively obvious, but what do Liverpool have to do with Norway?

I was just about to ask this. Seems to be only roberto posting this so i would guess it might be some "in joke"

roberto922
31-07-2008, 18:21
No Robert, it's a well known fact that the vast majority of Liverpool is Blue, add to that the fact that nearly all of our matchday support is Scouse as opposed to the Liverpool support who come from all over the country.

Now please can we talk about the save/challenge instead please

PaulHartman71
31-07-2008, 18:21
I imagine most people in Liverpool would support Liverpool, as I think most of the people I know from Liverpool do in-fact support Liverpool

roberto922
31-07-2008, 18:23
It depends Paul, it's like most people I know from liverpool support Everton because of the circles I move in, whereas you might hang out with a few people that are from a mainly red area. Now off this topic please

A True Fan
31-07-2008, 18:34
Trying to make my Wrexham team more Welsh! So I've gotta do a bit of wheelin' and dealin'.

roberto922
31-07-2008, 18:38
lol, what's the Welsh team like on the save? I haven't really checked it out and I'm not at home.

starburst91
31-07-2008, 18:38
Has grimsby town acheived anything all this time? xD

roberto922
31-07-2008, 18:43
I don't think so :D when I've checked I don't think they've been in the Prem

A True Fan
31-07-2008, 18:56
lol, what's the Welsh team like on the save? I haven't really checked it out and I'm not at home.

Ranked 74th, but they have some quality players and IMO should be in the top 30.

Their best player.

http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=walesbestplayeral6.png

barry the second
31-07-2008, 19:00
the reason theres more support in norway is because they count the number of members in fan clubs whos part of fan clubs in england? also the norweigans arent true supporters they just pick a team because of there success IMO and all of the mancs fans live down south

PaulHartman71
31-07-2008, 19:03
I don't think you can say things like that about Norwegian people like that tbh

roberto922
31-07-2008, 19:08
*Sigh* can we get off the topic now?

haza555
31-07-2008, 19:10
LOL at Farsley's bank balance. When did they get into the prem?

roberto922
31-07-2008, 19:10
Wayhay John Charles #2 there eh A true fan :D

roberto922
31-07-2008, 19:11
Dunno they've been one of the best teams for a while now, at least 30-40 years

A True Fan
31-07-2008, 19:50
I've realised that the quality of play has actually got better, players who in today's age could easily play for mid-table Premiership clubs are playing for mid-table Championship clubs. Also League 2 players are good enough for the Championship in today's age.

robbo3d
31-07-2008, 20:14
Looks good, will be downloading later. Just wondered how long it took you to holiday through that far and whether you used full detail or not. I say this because there seems to be a lot of changes compared to current standings. I once holidayed for just less than 50yrs (obviously a lot less than this but still quite a long time) and there were very few differences to the standings in 2008.

roberto922
31-07-2008, 20:22
I can't really remember robbo, I've just been leaving it to holiday over night when I've remmbered, I'm hoping to eventually get to about 2250 :D

roberto922
31-07-2008, 20:23
And yes it's on full detail, All english leagues on a large db.

A True Fan
31-07-2008, 20:26
Looks good, will be downloading later. Just wondered how long it took you to holiday through that far and whether you used full detail or not. I say this because there seems to be a lot of changes compared to current standings. I once holidayed for just less than 50yrs (obviously a lot less than this but still quite a long time) and there were very few differences to the standings in 2008.

Yea, there is alot of changes. Fulham are in the Blue Square South, having dropped all the way from the top league to the bottom of the playable leagues. Charlton and Stoke ae both in the Blue Square Premier. 4 Premiership clubs Blackburn, Middlesborough, Wigan and Liverpool! have all dropped to League 2 along with Burnley, Plymouth and Preston from the Championship who have also dropped down.

roberto922
31-07-2008, 20:36
And then theres the Mighty Farsley and Brentford :D

A True Fan
31-07-2008, 20:38
And then theres the Mighty Farsley and Brentford :D

Yeah, Brentford are still at Griffin Park, the only difference is that it's now a 90,000 seater.

Crayons
31-07-2008, 20:40
Could I have QPR's history please?

A True Fan
31-07-2008, 20:47
Could I have QPR's history please?

Certainly.

http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=qprhistoryix8.png

A True Fan
31-07-2008, 20:59
This is what West Ham are getting for 49.5m!

http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=karankaqq4.png

rancer890
31-07-2008, 21:14
What league are AFC Wimbledon, Plymouth, Carlisle and Leeds in? And can also have their histories? I'm just asking because I've had the most fun (and long term success) playing as those teams in FM08:p

Crayons
31-07-2008, 21:35
Thank you ATF

roberto922
31-07-2008, 21:36
AFC are still in BSS :( dunno bout the rest

rancer890
31-07-2008, 21:39
AFC are still in BSS :( dunno bout the rest

I wanted a easier way for AFC to Premiership glory:(. What's the highest league AFC has been in?

roberto922
31-07-2008, 21:59
Don't know, Dl the save and have a look.

rancer890
31-07-2008, 22:07
Don't know, Dl the save and have a look.

Ok, and btw I probably won't participate in this challenge. I have the CSE European Championships and FM08 A New World Experiment to worry about:D

And I kinda like this idea, are you creating another one of these (with more leagues)?

Razer82
31-07-2008, 22:15
Just downloading now so that I can have a bit of a look around. Probably won't play the first challenge, but will certainly keep an eye out for the future ones to see if any are to my liking.

roberto922
31-07-2008, 22:21
Yeah I'm doing a spanish one but it will only be in 2025, for now though I want to stick to this save.

fatski
31-07-2008, 22:21
I am downloading it at the moment...So I should be able to help out with any screeenie requests.

jod123
31-07-2008, 23:20
When I loaded the game the first thing I looked at was how Man United had fared throughout the years. When I saw them in the Premier League and predicted to finish 4th I thought to myself that maybe they stayed there all that time. Then I looked at their history and could not believe that they were relegated all the way down to the Blue Square Premier and rose back up to actually win the Premier League again. They had actually gone almost 100 years without Champions League football. :( And now they are back as title contenders. :D

roberto922
31-07-2008, 23:22
At least Manure have won something :( nearly 200 years since Evertons last title win, are we the new Newcastle?

starburst91
31-07-2008, 23:39
Ive downloaded it and WTF why can you get euro qualification in league 1, the championship and the premiership xD

oh and im doing the challenge btw

roberto922
31-07-2008, 23:46
Lol, I guess Platinis not in charge anymore :D

starburst91
31-07-2008, 23:56
lol wtf, TWO central defender/strikers?? xD

roberto922
31-07-2008, 23:59
:confused:

starburst91
01-08-2008, 00:00
:confused:
at liverpool both the main central defenders can also play as strikers, found it unusual that one team would actually need that xD

roberto922
01-08-2008, 00:01
Lol, that clubs still strange in 2186 eh? :D

fatski
01-08-2008, 00:25
Just played my first friendly, thought it would be apt to play against the Toffees!
Well, it was 5-4 to them, i drew 25000 fans to watch it, and that Kamara bloke scored an amazing hattrick...I've made a few signings, mostly CBs and CMs

starburst91
01-08-2008, 00:38
Kamara scored a hatrick for me aswell so far, only made a few signings, looking for a new right midfielder

A True Fan
01-08-2008, 12:55
Just started the actual challenge, there is some real quality on the free transfer list. :)

fatski
01-08-2008, 14:36
Played 3, won 1 drawn 1 lost 1! Very poor defensively atm which is so frustrating...But I like the 20000 average attendance in League 2! It is soooooo slow though!

starburst91
01-08-2008, 15:10
Won 3 in 3 of my league games so far =)

roberto922
01-08-2008, 15:34
So you're all enjoying it then :D

starburst91
01-08-2008, 16:25
Theres little glitches when you get this far forward in the game, like theres a 31 year old and my scout rated him one star but thinks he has 7 star potential xD and he's a good scout

roberto922
01-08-2008, 17:36
I'm in 2203 now, The mighty Farsley are back on top lol, Arsenals the richest again though :( AFC still in the BSS :rolleyes:, liverpool still in L2 :D, they've been up and down twice since 86. Any other updates wanted will have to wait because I'm loading my Everton save now.

roberto922
01-08-2008, 17:37
Oh yeah Braintree are Liverpools parent club :D

roversawh7
02-08-2008, 02:04
Ah you beat me in posting. I am at 2205 on my holiday game and am going to wait to get to 2207. I do stop between seasons though instead of holidaying straight through.

fatski
02-08-2008, 02:13
Im afraid I'm stopping the challenge as it is just too slow...Thanks so much for the save rob tho, its great fun to browse.Like I love how Kidderminster were the Liverpool of the 1980s in the 2130s/2140s!! Hilarious...

roberto922
02-08-2008, 02:44
Np Fatski (can't it let me off by 1 letter! :()

fatski
02-08-2008, 10:51
Np Fatski (can't it let me off by 1 letter! :()


I dont understand?

Mikel LUFC
02-08-2008, 11:26
The ten character limit I guess

roberto922
07-08-2008, 01:30
*Bumparumpa* I'll release the Spanish one tomorrow because it's smaller and thus faster, meaning that you'll be able to do the challenges without committing suicide :D