This PC......

http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/pavilion-hpe-h8-1270ea-desktop-pc-12381961-pdt.html

How well will this run FM12?

Do you think you can run all the leagues?

Processor Intel® Core™ i7-2600 processor (3.4 GHz, 8 MB L3 cache)

Operating System Windows® 7 Home Premium 64-bit

RAM 8 GB DDR3

Graphics card NVIDIA GeForce GT 545 with PureVideo® HD technology

Hard drive 2000 GB + 2 internal HDD bays

Nice desktop, I dont think it should it have a problem! Running EVERY league though, causes problems for ANY computer, but it should run FM very well.

will run like a dream

A terrific machine that will handle FM fine- be wary of loading too many leagues just because you can, as this can cause problems later in your save.

It's certainly good enough but it's overpriced. You can source a near identical build for under £700 from elsewhere.

If you're buying it just for FM and don't play other games, then that machine is overkill and not worth the investment. But if you're an A-title gamer, then the GT 545 is a bottleneck.

Nice desktop, I dont think it should it have a problem! Running EVERY league though, causes problems for ANY computer, but it should run FM very well.

Not sure why people keep saying this, so long as third party add-ons are avoided & you keep the PC well maintained, all league saves are a breeze for an i7 based PC.

As I've mentioned a number of times my all leagues save has run without any sign of trouble since it was created when 12.1 was released & is now in 2047. I even run the top 2 divisions & cups of every European nation plus the Champions/Europa league & all internationals on full detail processing yet my PC still has plenty of spare performance to multi-task.

It's certainly good enough but it's overpriced. You can source a near identical build for under £700 from elsewhere.

i got a custom built pc from an ebay shop, much cheaper than pc world and the like

Sounds great barside, so tempted to buy

Not sure why people keep saying this,

People get fixated on FM only being 32-bit and so not using 8GB of RAM.

hopefully fm13 will use more ram and 64bit

Also just found this

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/advent-dt2216-desktop-pc-12338294-pdt.html

People get fixated on FM only being 32-bit and so not using 8GB of RAM.

The 32-bit limitations only become a problem if you load more than 250K players or try to do too much at once in the game, deleting more than 500 scout reports at once will see Fm crash to desktop.

My save has an averrage RAM usage of around 2.2GB, now & then it will rise to about 2.5 which is still nothing to be worried about unless you've only got 4GB of system RAM.

It's a decent machine until you look at the price.

Then it's a very poor machine for what you're spending. Give me a second and I shall find you a better deal.

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Processor (CPU)Intel® Core™i7 Quad Core Processor i7-3770 (3.4GHz) 8MB Cache

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So this machine matches the price, but it has components that are unecessary and only there to attempt to sell the machine. The balance is pretty poor. There's not much need for anything above an i5 for FM, the extra performance from the i7 can't be used.

The graphics card in the original is poor - if you ever want to spread out into other games it won't be much use. This one has the best value for money card at the moment. Again, if you're only going to play FM you can shave a good £50 off.

I also find that spending £900 on a computer without an SSD to be a bit silly.

Go on here and build your own, can juggle things about then and have exactly what you want, got mine from here 2 years ago and was very happy and impressed with service

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wakers beat me to it

Why can't I turn bold off bits of text in Chrome? It's either all bold or no bold.

The problems with the 2600 & 3770 are that both of them have locked multipliers. You really want the K editions to get value for money. I seriously doubt FM can take advantage of 8 threads so a i5-2500K is more than sufficient. That's about a £100 less for a potentially better CPU; which is the most important component for FM.

K processors are only necessary if you're wanting to overclock. Not to be rude to the OP, but it doesn't sound like that's something he's interested in.

Bit of advice from someone who just went through the process of buying a PC, not specifically for FM, but how it would run was a big factor.

For those saying it's not worth an i7 just for FM - that may be true but why spend hundreds on a PC if you're not getting the best bang for your buck - do you really think I and countless others are splashing out near-on a grand JUST to play FM?!? Clearly we've made a decision that it's time to upgrade our PC, and how FM performs comes into it after that. Speaking for myself, I wanted the best PC I could afford - and the biggest factor was a long lifespan. I don't want it to be outdated as quickly as my current machine was.

So one more time for those at the back... How it runs FM is just one factor.

To the OP - I agree with most people here, that PC is good but overpriced.

You'll no doubt be able to build a far better PC yourself for far less dough, but if you're not an experienced PC builder, you can use a custom build site. The extra money for the convenience of them putting it together is worth it (IMO).

After a lot of research, I decided on computerplanet over pcspecialist, although pcspecialist does seem to be this forum's go-to. Computerplanet not only worked out a little cheaper, but they threw in a load of free stuff too! And to date their customer service (which I've used a few times) has been top notch.

So my new PC cost me a little over a grand (just over a hundred quid more than yours in the OP costs) and the specs are:

Case: Cooler Master Silencio 550 (Free Shogun II Game Included)

Processor: Intel i7 3770K - (4 x 3.5 GHZ) - Ivy Bridge - (Includes Free Order Of War Game)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H (Intel Z77) - VGA/DVI/HDMI

Graphics Card: 1GB EVGA GTX 550 Ti SuperClocked, 4514MHz GDDR5, GPU 981MHz, 192 Cores, 2x DL DVI-I/ mini HDMI (4 Free Games Included)

OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64 BIT (Genuine DVD & COA Included)

Primary HD: 180GB Corsair Force Series 3 SSD SATA-III, Read 550MB/s, Write 515MB/s - Silent

Secondary HD: WD SATA-III VelociRaptor 600GB 10000RPM 32MB

Memory: Corsair 16GB PC3-12800 1600 MHz (4x4GB) - Lifetime Warranty (DDR3)

PSU: Corsair 800W Gaming PSU - Low Noise

Cooling: Corsair Hydro Series H40 (Advanced Liquid Cooling)

Samsung 22x DVD Re-Writer/Reader /- RW- Black - Lightscribe (SATA)

FREE - Microsoft Office 2010 Starter (Limited Functionality Word & Excel)

FREE - CyberLink PowerDVD 9

FREE - 4 Port Surge Protection

FREE - Webroot AntiVirus 2012 (1 Year - 1 PC License) - FREE FOR ORDERS PLACED BEFORE 31/07/12 RRP £25

FREE - DVI Port to HDMI Monitor Port Adapter

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I can't tell you exactly how it runs FM yet - because it gets delivered next week.

Sorry, an i7 is not "best bang for buck" simply because you're not using the extra performance you've paid for.

Sorry, an i7 is not "best bang for buck" simply because you're not using the extra performance you've paid for.

...........whilst playing FM.

But whatever - it's all a matter of opinion, preference & personal finance.

….and I have no personal finance now after making that purchase!

It’s worth it though, spending all that dosh on a smooth running FM experience. It’s all I’ve bought it for. In fairness, I didn’t think paying £35 every year for a slightly tweaked game which is back to being riddled with bugs again was really enough to justify my love & commitment for the game – so I figured another thousand pounds wouldn’t hurt.

K processors are only necessary if you're wanting to overclock. Not to be rude to the OP, but it doesn't sound like that's something he's interested in.

Sorry, an i7 is not "best bang for buck" simply because you're not using the extra performance you've paid for.

It may not be something the OP's interested in, but that's possibly down to not knowing anything/much about it. It's key to offering, in your own words, the "best bang for buck". On Sandy/IvyBridge systems it really is a click of a button, so it's no something for non-enthusiasts to be scared of. I built a machine at the beginning of the year that could out-perform the OPs posted spec for only £600. Everybody likes to save money and I'm sure the OP appreciates the tip.

Bit of advice from someone who just went through the process of buying a PC, not specifically for FM, but how it would run was a big factor.

For those saying it's not worth an i7 just for FM - that may be true but why spend hundreds on a PC if you're not getting the best bang for your buck - do you really think I and countless others are splashing out near-on a grand JUST to play FM?!?

It’s worth it though, spending all that dosh on a smooth running FM experience. It’s all I’ve bought it for.

Wait, which one is it? Have you seriously just bought it for FM or not?

While overclocking has gotten much easier, I still cringe every time I get a client saying "So I tried to overclock this, and now the computer won't turn on." The only thing that's changed since the Sandy / Ivy bridges were released is that this now happens much more often and often comes from the type of people who struggle installing simple applications.

While we're on funny anecdotes - I built a new PC for a customer last week. It's mostly a gaming PC for his son and he had a decent budget so I stuck in a 120GB SSD. He came back to me not three days after he'd taken it off my hands and said "It keeps telling me I'm out of storage space, even though I have a 1 Megabyte (yes, he said that, meant TB) hard drive."

Of course, he'd installed absolutely everything onto the SSD. Sure, it's a rookie mistake - but when I build someone a computer, I make them read the documentation (a brief summary of what's in it and how to use it) in front of me and I discuss any further questions they have. Not only did it clearly state in the documentation that the SSD should only be used for games and the OS, be he specifically asked me if it would increase the quality of music and video playback if he played them from the SSD. I told him no and all that would do would fill it up within 2 days.

What do I find on the PC when I get it back? The SSD had about 8 ripped blu-ray movies, a massive music folder, MS Office 2003, 1 game (out of 8 installed on the WDCBlack) and he had, somehow, copied parts of his windows folder across.

I don't see the need for these threads, there's a benchmark thread somewhere that shows you how well each processor with X amount of RAM will run the game with all leagues loaded IIRC, besides the fact it seems most of the time to be a case of 'look what I can afford for a game that isn't 64-Bit so isn't going to use all the RAM anyway' and just showing off...

While overclocking has gotten much easier, I still cringe every time I get a client saying "So I tried to overclock this, and now the computer won't turn on." The only thing that's changed since the Sandy / Ivy bridges were released is that this now happens much more often and often comes from the type of people who struggle installing simple applications.

While we're on funny anecdotes - I built a new PC for a customer last week. It's mostly a gaming PC for his son and he had a decent budget so I stuck in a 120GB SSD. He came back to me not three days after he'd taken it off my hands and said "It keeps telling me I'm out of storage space, even though I have a 1 Megabyte (yes, he said that, meant TB) hard drive."

Of course, he'd installed absolutely everything onto the SSD. Sure, it's a rookie mistake - but when I build someone a computer, I make them read the documentation (a brief summary of what's in it and how to use it) in front of me and I discuss any further questions they have. Not only did it clearly state in the documentation that the SSD should only be used for games and the OS, be he specifically asked me if it would increase the quality of music and video playback if he played them from the SSD. I told him no and all that would do would fill it up within 2 days.

What do I find on the PC when I get it back? The SSD had about 8 ripped blu-ray movies, a massive music folder, MS Office 2003, 1 game (out of 8 installed on the WDCBlack) and he had, somehow, copied parts of his windows folder across.

Sounds like they weren't really educated on the subject and duly messed things up. No doubt the BCLK was over-clocked. In the OPs case they've got on-line communities to feed off. Even a simple change of multiplier, no base clock or voltage tweaks, makes a big but safe difference.

As for the anecdote, why didn't you just change the default install paths in the registry to the WD drive, and set Music/Video library locations to directories also on the WD? It's what I've done on my main rig. I think it was pretty obvious they were only gonna mess things up; why tempt fate!

I don't see the need for these threads, there's a benchmark thread somewhere that shows you how well each processor with X amount of RAM will run the game with all leagues loaded IIRC, besides the fact it seems most of the time to be a case of 'look what I can afford for a game that isn't 64-Bit so isn't going to use all the RAM anyway' and just showing off...

Do you have a link to that thread?

Yea, did all that. He just wanted to put stuff on the SSD regardless