cms186 Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 simple question, atm i would possibly go for RvP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keremkrk Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 RVP by a mile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Eriksson. He hasn't played well at all in any games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metlika Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Sneijder, Robben and RvP all pretty poor. If Ronald hadn't done anything tonight then he would be up there as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cms186 Posted June 17, 2012 Author Share Posted June 17, 2012 sneijder done a lot more than robben or rvp imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Gonzo Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 From a German perspective: Mesut Özil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Albrighton Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 The dutch team pretty much apart from robben who i never expected to deliver anyway such a bad player, always baffles me when he plays for bayern how hes at such a big club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Sneijder has had a decent tournament. Van Persie's wastefulness in front of goal has been criminal. Ahaha, Robben a "bad player" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Sneijder has been pretty good. His performance against Denmark was almost the perfect performance by a playmaker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metlika Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Robben is greedy but he isn't bad. RvP after that miss has swung it for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Pretty much the entire Dutch squad and Kerzhakov so far Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morton2003 Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Rvp,Robben,Kerzhakov , Young ,Glen Johnson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niebiescy Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 RVP. If his finishing was at a normal level the Dutch would be in the last 8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Rvp,Robben,Kerzhakov , Young ,Glen Johnson Glen Johnson? Really? If anything he's performed above expectations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 RvP by five country miles. Right now at this miserable moment I'm tempted to go overboard with 'overrated' and such, which would be silly, but whatever they do with him at Arsenal, he just does not produce the goods for the national team. The next national coach would be well advised to leave him on the bench and try to play with effective forwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Arsenal would've finished 10th if national team RVP played for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 The English defence - being set up to be hard to beat with some good quality players and shipping 3 goals in 2 games is disappointing. I know Shay Given has been injured but he's been majorly at fault for Ireland doing so badly, RvP looks completely shattered and in need of a rest, he also looks like he doesn't quite understand the dutch tactics and looks lost, either way he's been poor in front of goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Heaven's sake, lads. Van Persie did his best, and although he choked, he still score. It's definitely Kerzhakov. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 I'm sure Kerzhakov also did his best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nørbæk Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Eriksson. He hasn't played well at all in any games. From a Danish perspective I agree, but the Dutch super stars have probably been worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 I'm sure Kerzhakov also did his best But he didn't deliver. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roooonaldooo Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Erikson hasn't done anything great - a huge dissapointment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Kerzhakov was still Russia's best striker, make of that what you will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Who rated Kerzhakov before the tournament? It's either RvP or Robben, RvP has missed some incredible chances and Robben has been anonymous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Also, Eriksson, Erikson, ... . It's Eriksen! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob21 Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Sneijder, Robben and RvP all pretty poor. Sneijder did pretty much everything but carry his team's strikers to the goal line Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 From a Danish perspective I agree, but the Dutch super stars have probably been worse. True but everyone knows the Dutch guys were horrible. I just wanted to point out that Eriksson has been pretty bad too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjaminpeter Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 The English defence - being set up to be hard to beat with some good quality players and shipping 3 goals in 2 games is disappointing. I don't think so really. Aside from the 20 minutes against Sweden it's been alright, not the worst defence in the tournament by any means. Defended very well against France despite conceding. A clean sheet against the Ukrainians would be nice though. I'm a bit disappointed with Spain to be honest, but can't put my finger on why. They're pretty much playing the same way as in 2008 and 2010. Maybe they're just boring now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob21 Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Who rated Kerzhakov before the tournament? The media Oh and 6 of his Int goals have been against Liechtenstein and Andorra Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaitsev Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Anyone saying Kerzhakov doesn't know football. It was his movement that helped the Russian attacking midfielders score so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metlika Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 But he didn't deliver. Neither did RvP his goal was inconsequential on the game but Kerzhakov had a shocker, didn't see the game yesterday so can't comment on how he did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metlika Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Anyone saying Kerzhakov doesn't know football. It was his movement that helped the Russian attacking midfielders score so much. Fair enough but his finishing was awful, should have bagged at least 4 in the first game. Pavyluchenko would have been like a man down but still scored Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nørbæk Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 True but everyone knows the Dutch guys were horrible. I just wanted to point out that Eriksson has been pretty bad too People were expecting him to have a good tournament and to raise his market price. He probably lowered it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris79 Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Lukasz Piszczek, from Poland's perspective. RvP is the last to blame for Dutch disaster, they were shockingly primitive in terms of tactics, no midfield really, no fullback, no tactical flexibility (yes, this statements begs to be answered with 'and so was Arsenal in all the games van Persie won for them', but I disagree ). More or less like Poland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Yeah, Eriksen didn't show anything remotely special. Was disappointing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nørbæk Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Yeah, Eriksen didn't show anything remotely special. Was disappointing. On the contrary, he was poor in all 3 matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Anyone saying Kerzhakov doesn't know football. It was his movement that helped the Russian attacking midfielders score so much.This and this particular point is what was evident everytime he got subbed off.I'd add Lewandowski to the mix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainPlanet Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Lewandowski looked really good to me :confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBKalle Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 It's easy to lambast the Dutch "superstars" now, but if you take them one by one it's difficult to separate their specific responsibility from the general lack of direction and drive the whole team had. So in a way they failed as a unit, but as individuals almost all of them can be "excused" at a certain degree. On the other hand Eriksen has been awful and there's noone else to blame... He was supposed to be Denmark's biggest asset, intead he looked ordinary at best, even a liability. Frankly I wasn't impressed with him at last year's Euro U21 and this tournament didn't make me change my mind. Can't really comment on his performances with Ajax (although the Dutch league is famous for producing a lot of "false positives"), but so far to me he's been vastly overrated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris79 Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 I'd add Lewandowski to the mix And I'd totally disagree. I am not a fan of him personally, but he is possibly our best player. He works s well as a supporting striker or as a lone striker with attacking midfielders to help him. The problem was that Smuda's idea for our game was to pass/hoof it to him so maybe 'he will do something'. He did all he could, without support most of the time, he often managed to control a high long ball, go past defender, but nobody was there to help him. That's why I said Piszczek. The best moments we had in this tournament were when Piszczek, rated by the media as one of the best RBs in Europe, was playing like a modern right back. That gave us more options, put opposition under pressure and gave Lewandowski the space. You can't blame the lonely striker for being in a very average badly managed team, really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 I'm a bit disappointed with Spain to be honest, but can't put my finger on why. They're pretty much playing the same way as in 2008 and 2010. Maybe they're just boring now. Spain didn't play the same way in 2008 and 2010, though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 It's easy to lambast the Dutch "superstars" now, but if you take them one by one it's difficult to separate their specific responsibility from the general lack of direction and drive the whole team had. So in a way they failed as a unit, but as individuals almost all of them can be "excused" at a certain degree. Agree, with the notable exception of van Persie and 'he plays for Barça you know' Affelay. Both of them should be fringe bench sitters. And van Bommel, if one would be inclined to count him into the group of 'stars'. He's simply old and over it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 RvP is the last to blame for Dutch disaster The amount of chances he had this tournament, he could have put Holland through just from the first two games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guy From The Sunny Place Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Chalkias ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Fair enough but his finishing was awful, should have bagged at least 4 in the first game. Pavyluchenko would have been like a man down but still scored Set one up as well to finish of the Czechs after Kerzha missed a hatful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noikeee Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Lewandowski was awesome, may have only scored one but his movement, holding of ball, creativity was brilliant.he only underwhelmed against the Czechs imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris79 Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 The amount of chances he had this tournament, he could have put Holland through just from the first two games. 1.5 goals wouldn't have been enough I think, but I am not familiar with all the final match maths. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 RVP, easily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klimowicz Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Rooney. He just hasn't played at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nørbæk Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I'm a bit disappointed with Spain to be honest, but can't put my finger on why. They're pretty much playing the same way as in 2008 and 2010. Maybe they're just boring now. Boring now? Do you remember their matches in 2010? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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