What a waste of time!

I do complain that this game is sometimes over-complicated but do respect others the right to enjoy the details involved. However, I feel there is a feature that to me is a waste of time... training!

Everyone employs expert coaches to take the players in training sessions; some are better than others according to the wages available to recruit same. The manager always has overall say in the thrust of the training, allocation of duties, training levels, etc. but once these are set then he should trust the (expert) coaches to go from there. The coach, for his part should be conducting, delegating, controlling the development of the players within the terms of his expertise. This should certainly include speciality training, alternative positions, maintaning fitness levels, etc. whilst making the sessions as enjoyable an experience he can for those players involved. That's the job!

So, my beef is this:

1) Why does the coach come to every meeting and say "X player would benefit from extra training in composure (or positioning, etc.)." I then have to go into the player's training schedule and make this change. For God's sake, you are the coach, start the training yourself & just let me know you've done it. I only then need to go in if I don't agree. In fact, as for as I'm concerned, he doesn't even need to tell me personally because I do not hire coaches, then gainsay the bloke myself.

2) when the coach tells me a player is complaining about too much training, you must always comment on whether you believe the player has a case. "This player's schedule is the same as everyone else's from a workload point of view; do you want me to lighten the training load?" I then get a "yes/no" button & you can do the actual lightening if I decide to change this. I shouldn't have to go in and mess with particular training levels, where to lighten the load, etc. That's your flipping job.

I am bored with this aspect of the game that occurs at every single team meeting. Simplification required!

Step up coaches!

Point 1 - no you don't have to go into the players training to do it. At the backroom meeting where the advice comes up, you click on 'Start Training' and it does it automatically.

Point 2 - I never respond when the player complains about too much training. If he doesn't like it he can request a transfer!

Point 1: Didn't see that, so no complaints then. Maybe, if I was an enormous nit-picker I would prefer "I've put X player on a special traing for Strength, if you DON'T want this to take place, click "No"!

Idle bugger I am!

Bolulu, ever tried holidaying through entire seasons? From the threads you make this seems perfect for you as it doesn't seem like you actually want to do anything. That way you don't have to bother with picking players since you can just let your Assman do it, coaches won't bother you with training tips, you don't have to attend backroom meetings in the first place and not even press conferences will bother you!

Ooooh; Freakiie!!!!!

Congrats on an eminently suitable pen-name! Did you pick it yourself?

1) bolulu coaches are your subordinates, so they respond to you, they wait for you to action because some players have learning curves that you might not like, for an example I have a player with 20 pace 20 acceleration, but his decisions attribute is 9, I have to alter his schedule and give him a plus of tactics training

2) players have different personalities, some complain more than others in training, from what I learned, it's safe to say if the overall slider is at the maximum players are unhappy and you are loosing training time, it is best to adjust the training, as it fits for everybody, for some even create individual training schedules, I learned that if the players are happy with the training they learn more, if they are unhappy with training you are loosing training time

I take your point Poola and agree, however my point is that you don't have a dog & bark yourself.

If I hire coaching expertise & pay good money for it, I don't expect to have to be approving every tweak to training they suggest doing. I just want them to do it.

I feel I spend way too much time personally tweaking training sliders, adding special training, etc. This is the coach's job!!!

i also wish a button for reduce training when it is requested, lots of menus to find out exactly which slider to mess with is a pain.

Ooooh; bolulu!!!!!

Congrats on an eminently suitable pen-name! Did you smash your head on your keyboard all by yourself?

And you don't seem to get what a coach does. He TRAINS players. He does not however decide WHAT to train them on. That's what your job is. (At least, that's what you should be doing ). Being a manager is more than picking what the AssMan suggests your strongest 11 are and playing them at what he says they're best at.

Like I said, if you want everything to be done for you, why not put some super assistant manager in charge of your team, vacation and check from time to time whether you're doing a "good job"?

Personally F. I believe you're wrong!

An expert coach will discuss with the manager the training schedules, workload, speciality training, etc. at the outset, then implement what was agreed and make sure progress is made through the season. Manager can always have training meetings when he considers them necessary. If the coach is any sort of expert he will not have to keep running to the manager EVERY MEETING with comments regarding training tweaks. He'll just do it!

I can see we aren't going to agree on this & that's fine.

Since you are such an avid button pusher I'm surprised you aren't lobbying for "Cleaning players kit" and "Transport to away games" to be made the personal jobs of the manager.

can't you just ignore training and it has little affect? . I tweak it myself but i sometimes wonder how much diffrence it really makes .Or just download the training and spend the 10-20 minutes it takes to put the players in the right training

I thought those board mettings were a way to simplify it , and you can easily ignore them 99.9% of the time the stuff they say isnt worth hearing.

I think the system is fine . If you ignore it , it doesnt have a big negative . But if you like to tweak you can and you get small benefits for the effort.

Personally F. I believe you're wrong!

An expert coach will discuss with the manager the training schedules, workload, speciality training, etc. at the outset, then implement what was agreed and make sure progress is made through the season. Manager can always have training meetings when he considers them necessary. If the coach is any sort of expert he will not have to keep running to the manager EVERY MEETING with comments regarding training tweaks. He'll just do it!

I can see we aren't going to agree on this & that's fine.

Since you are such an avid button pusher I'm surprised you aren't lobbying for "Cleaning players kit" and "Transport to away games" to be made the personal jobs of the manager.

I am an avid button pusher? You sir are heavily exaggerating here. I don't know what backroom staff tells you (Haven't hold a backroom meeting this entire save, where I'm in 2016 now), but it's not like you need to change a players personal focus every week. It would be highly useless to begin with, considering he'd never actually gain something that way to begin with. I got enough players I don't touch through an entire season as you don't have to change their schedule and when they haven't improved enough on their personal focus yet I'm obviously not gonna change it. I rarely change a player more than 3 times a season, so that makes 3 more clicks, on like 20? players. Wow 60 more clicks per season. Compare that to the amount of times you gotta press space to continue, or number off clicks substitutions cost you etc. Training will barely add to the total number if you look at the entire picture.

I don't think it is too much micromanagement to allocate training schedules to your players. I like micromanagement. The OP is right that the whole idea of allocating one specialist area to every coach and all the other things you need to do should be unnecessary. I wouldn't miss the whole training part of the game if it was taken out in the place of more automotive coaches and staff.

1) Considering how appalling most suggestions are, it's just a relief the coaches don't enforce them behind your back... I surely don't want my fullback "wasting" valuable CA points on Free Kicks or Throw Ins.

Also, from a realistic standpoint, the boss (ie. you) should have the last word over any decision, so his employees can't just add their "personal touch" without telling him.

2) That's actually something that bothers me too... A personal "intensity bar" would be welcom... I'd rather not have 5 different versions of the same training schedule just because some players are too lazy to handle the regular workload.