Sikker Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I'm managing Brøndby in the Danish superliga. In the season 2018/2019 I won Champions League (12.1.1 didn't make the game more difficult imo). For years the winner in the superliga qualified directly and the runners up should qualify (Denmark are 11th and have been so for years). But after I've won the Champions League suddenly 2 teams qualify directly and 3rd in the superliga must qualify. (I've won the superliga for years so I would qualify for Champions League directly). Why do Denmark get an extra Champions League spot? In FM11 when I won the Champions League with Juventus we didn't get 5 spots. Though, I have seen before a nation get 5 spots in the Champions League... How is that possible? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turneep Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Your nations UEFA Coefficient increased. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Have a read of this thread, its along a similar line: http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/295340-Lost-CL-place-please-explain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikker Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 Your nations UEFA Coefficient increased.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient Yes, but Denmark are still 11th so that shouldn't matter. Also if Denmark raised on the coefficient list it wouldn't have any effect until the season after. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikker Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 Have a read of this thread, its along a similar line:http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/295340-Lost-CL-place-please-explain It has nothing to do with coefficients as Denmark are still 11th and has been so for years. I did write that in my OP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 It has nothing to do with coefficients as Denmark are still 11th and has been so for years.I did write that in my OP. It has everything to do with Co-efficients as has the link Turneep gave you. Every game that is played in Europe counts towards your countries Co-efficients. These are calculated over a five year period with countries then ranked by the overall total. Countries move up & down the rankings over the years and as a result receive different entries into European competition. Just because Denmark are ranked 11th now doesn't mean they will be forever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikker Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 It has everything to do with Co-efficients as has the link Turneep gave you.Every game that is played in Europe counts towards your countries Co-efficients. These are calculated over a five year period with countries then ranked by the overall total. Countries move up & down the rankings over the years and as a result receive different entries into European competition. Just because Denmark are ranked 11th now doesn't mean they will be forever. Yes I know how coefficients work. That's way I'm confused that Denmark got an extra Champions League spot. Denmark are and have been for years in the 11th spot (nothing has changed coefficients wise) and so only the winner of the Danish superliga should qualify for CL and runners up should play qualification. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Actually reading your OP again I think you mean Denmark are still ranked 11th. In which case Denmark have gained an extra Champions League place next season as a result of you qualifying by winning the Champions League - ie You + Two from Denmark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikker Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 Actually reading your OP again I think you mean Denmark are still ranked 11th.In which case Denmark have gained an extra Champions League place next season as a result of you qualifying by winning the Champions League - ie You + Two from Denmark. Yes, so would I believe. But I've won the Champions League several times before with teams from Spain, Italy and England and never have the nation gained an extra Champions League spot. That's why it confuses me that Denmark suddenly got one extra. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Hamilton Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Denmark have gained the extra CL spot because you won it last year, which means that you qualified as title holders, and there is still the two regular places left. Not really a well-known rule since no country can enter more than 4 teams in any case, and most of the times the winner comes from one of those countries. So nothing to do with coefficients. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikker Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 Denmark have gained the extra CL spot because you won it last year, which means that you qualified as title holders, and there is still the two regular places left.Not really a well-known rule since no country can enter more than 4 teams in any case, and most of the times the winner comes from one of those countries. So nothing to do with coefficients. Aha, but once I've seen a nation with 5 teams in the Champions League... How is that possible if 4 teams are max? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodzeed1 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Aha, but once I've seen a nation with 5 teams in the Champions League... How is that possible if 4 teams are max? Just you then, seeing as it doesn't happen. Have you got a SS of this? (I already know the answer) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Hamilton Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Only example I know of is when LIverpool won the CL a few years back (2005) and they hadn't qualified through the league. The were given dispensation by UEFA to enter the first qualiflying round, so in that year, there were five English teams in the CL. Subsequently, they changed the rules so that the title holder was always automatically qualified for the CL. Today, the team finished 4th in the league will have to give up their place if the CL-winner failed to qualify through the league. Some more random trivia on this: Technically, Liverpool didn't represent England, and were drawn in the same group as Chelsea. Only time two teams from the same nations met in the group phase. More random trivia because I can't stop: Everton had qualified for the CL that year as they finished 4th in the league. If the current rules had been in place, Liverpool would have gotten that spot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikker Posted January 19, 2012 Author Share Posted January 19, 2012 Thanks, J Hamilton, for your explanations. Having used a lot of time trying to figure out how coefficients work and these latest explanations I now finally think I know how qualifications to Champions League work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieu Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 England got 5 teams the season after Liverpool won the champions League. That was because Liverpool finished 5th that season and hence they did not qualify but they got a spot as defending champions. I think a nation gets 5 teams if the reigning champion is from a nation with 4 qualified teams and the reigning champion did not qualify to the champions league through league placement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieu Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Or just what J Hamilton said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodzeed1 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 England got 5 teams the season after Liverpool won the champions League. That was because Liverpool finished 5th that season and hence they did not qualify but they got a spot as defending champions. I think a nation gets 5 teams if the reigning champion is from a nation with 4 qualified teams and the reigning champion did not qualify to the champions league through league placement. Not any more they dont. That was just for that year. It was a big oversight and it took something like that for it to be spotted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieu Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Yeah. I realized that after I read the reply from J Hamilton. Shuold maybe have edited it, but did not bother. Shoot me I'm lazy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
niletaylor Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 were everton entered into the champions league? i just thought their place was given to liverpool, if that's the case then they didn't get a champions league spot in the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieu Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 They did get a spot, but didn't manage to qualify. i think they lost to a spanish team (Villarreal I think it was) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Things Could Get Messi Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Before Liverpool won the Champions League and came 5th in the Premier League in 2005, the winners were not given an automatic place in the next season's competition. This was assumably because UEFA expected a team that won the Champions League to be good enough to also qualify from their own nations league after all how can you be the best team in Europe but the 5th best team in England and even only the 2nd best team on Merseyside?!? After that the rules were changed so that the winners would automatically qualify but no nation could have more than 4 entrants. Obviously, if you manage in England then you won't get an extra slot but you will in a lesser ranked country. When I won the CL with Ajax, Holland was also given an extra slot in the competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 The reason behind the Liverpool/Everton situation was that when it happened the FA insisted that they would only nominate the teams that finished 1st-4th to the following years CL, this left UEFA with a problem as they granted winners automatic entry but always assumed that national FA's would follow the gentleman's agreement to nominate holders ahead of the 4th place league side. To save being embarrassed UEFA granted Liverpool a wild-card entry & then re-wrote the rules to ensure no nation can have more than 4 entrants & if that years winners finished lower than 4th they would automatically take the place of the team finishing 4th in the league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
niletaylor Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I would like England to have 4 CL spots and 4 EL places too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieVilla Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Yes the reason is because if you win the CL your country gets an extra spot i have won CL with english team such as Man City but because their is a maximum of 4 spots per country the EPL gets extra Europa spot instead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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