Individual training focus -> impact on player attributes YES/NO ??

My question is clear:

1.Does individual training focus have an influence on player attributes? YES or NO ?

2.Does it help to raise a specific player attribute in short time? YES or NO ?

thanks in advance

1-Yes

2-sometimes

^ What he said

I remember 100% SI clearly mentioned in many threads (for FM11) that individual training focus has NO influence at all on the attributes.

They said it just has a (probably) effect on the upcoming match.

We really need some correct information from the developers.

Individual training focus can have a huge effect on attributes, i have no idea where that statement above has come from but its nonsense. The change isnt always quick, but have noticed players in FM12 seem to develop quicker between 19 and 23, put one onto a high workload and you can easily see the noticeable change in the graph.

edit: thanks milnerpoint.

I remember 100% SI clearly mentioned in many threads (for FM11) that individual training focus has NO influence at all on the attributes.

They said it just has a (probably) effect on the upcoming match.

We really need some correct information from the developers.

I think that you are talking about match preparation.

To the OP, i've been using individual focus for a while and it's great to quickly improve an attribute.

If you choose to focus on say a player's fitness will his training in categories such as shooting drop? Will he most likely lose a few points under other attribute categories?

I definately want explanation from SI.

I'm not joking or so. SI guys mentioned that repeatedly.

If you choose to focus on say a player's fitness will his training in categories such as shooting drop? Will he most likely lose a few points under other attribute categories?

No what happens is it will focus the remaining CA points available into those categories instead of others, so if you player is 130CA 140PA it will use the remaining 10 points to increase he fitness as much as possible. If they player has maxed his CA you just wont see any change, not unless another attribute drops for another reason.

I definately want explanation from SI.

I'm not joking or so. SI guys mentioned that repeatedly.

Your def getting match prep and induvidual training mixed up. Match prep has no effect on attributes, only a slight increase in certain situations during the game, individual training focus 100000% effects attributes.

From my experience 1. yes and 2. yes. Trained attribute seems to increase more frequently (ie. faster) than the rest of the attributes from same group of attributes. This can be seen in attribute graphs over period of several months.

You can't expect very fast improvements, game doesn't work like that. Also, as far as i know, the higher the attribute the longer it takes to improve (i.e it takes longer to improve from 15->16 than from 5->6)

No what happens is it will focus the remaining CA points available into those categories instead of others, so if you player is 130CA 140PA it will use the remaining 10 points to increase he fitness as much as possible. If they player has maxed his CA you just wont see any change, not unless another attribute drops for another reason.

Thanks for clearing this up! This will help me out a lot.

Both are a yes imo

I remember 100% SI clearly mentioned in many threads (for FM11) that individual training focus has NO influence at all on the attributes.

They said it just has a (probably) effect on the upcoming match.

We really need some correct information from the developers.

Maybe you remembered 100% that they were talking about match preparation and not individual training focus?

As for the OP:

1. Yes. In the long term (a youngster trained over several years in one area - especially physical area), the rest of the training areas will be slightly less efficient while the focused-upon area will be slightly more efficient. The number is probably 10% which is the amount taken out of normal training.

2. No. Apart from Determination while under tutorship, I think you can assume that a promising young player that is playing football regularly, playing well and has a good personality will gain 1 point in one of the key positional areas on a 10-200 scale per month. On average, excluding summer holiday and injuries. So 10 points per year, translated to 1 point on the 1-20 scale. 5-6 years for a very professional and ambitious wonderkid to increase 5-6 points in the key areas. For less professional and ambitious kids this goes slower.

It is less clear-cut than that, though. Some attributes are "given" and don't change at all, others are event-based. I find it useful when looking at a prospect to imagine him with +4 in the relevant technical attributes, +3 in the relevant mental attributes and +5 in the relevant physical attributes (except Natural Fitness and Jumping for short players). If he is still unimpressive I skip past him.

It is less clear-cut than that, though. Some attributes are "given" and don't change at all, others are event-based. I find it useful when looking at a prospect to imagine him with +4 in the relevant technical attributes, +3 in the relevant mental attributes and +5 in the relevant physical attributes (except Natural Fitness and Jumping for short players). If he is still unimpressive I skip past him.

How old a player can be that you still consider him "a prospect" and not a no-hoper that will never achieve great things?

I'm not confusing with match prep.

We need explanation from SI please !

How old a player can be that you still consider him "a prospect" and not a no-hoper that will never achieve great things?

The short version: 18. By then he needs to approach the current ability to play 1st team games in domestic or european cups and some league matches against weak opponents.

A 21-year old that is already a good player and can become a fantastic player needs lots of 1st team experience, so he is not a no-hoper either.

When they're 24 development is mostly halted. This means that during the years 15-21 he must become good enough to break into the first team on a regular basis, and that is nearly impossible if the starting point isn't good enough. The most important attributes to look at are Work Rate, Team Work, Decisions, Creativity and Anticipation as well as Natural Fitness and Technique (for non-CD's). Those improve very slowly. You can just rule out youngsters having 9 or less in those right away (unless everything else is fantastic of course). I tend to lean towards 15-17 year-olds that have an even distribution of attributes rather than those having great strengths but many weaknesses. Those who have 9-14 in most attributes are normally more difficult to develop early on, since without those strengths they won't play that well, but once their attributes approach 15 in every area they take off like a rocket and are suddenly world class players overnight. The patience will pay off. That's the long version.

How important do you rate Pressure, Professionalism and Ambition? If you could see those attributes without FRMTE or some other tool, what would be the lowest you'd settle for in those attributes?

I'm not confusing with match prep.

We need explanation from SI please !

WHat do you want them to explain?? you can clearly see the effects in-game.. do you also need a scientist to tell you the moon exists?

How important do you rate Pressure, Professionalism and Ambition? If you could see those attributes without FRMTE or some other tool, what would be the lowest you'd settle for in those attributes?

For me Professionalism is absolutely key - it is the main attribute affecting how a youngster develops. Ambition is a bit of a 2-edged sword for a lower league manager - the player wants to improve himself - but not necessarily at your club! I prefer Loyalty. Pressure in the lower leagues is not important either except in the odd cup game.

I have managed to get jay spearings marking from 11 to 13 in one season and 14 halfway through the next IIRC with heavy marking individual focus, others have had no effect though, like downing and henedersons tackiling, ive never seen that improve on individual focus.

1: Yes.

2: No, I won't call it "short time".

WHat do you want them to explain?? you can clearly see the effects in-game.. do you also need a scientist to tell you the moon exists?

Dude (OP), SI made it very clear - Match Prep gives a boost in certain attributes for the next game ONLY. It is purely a short-term boost. The % of training time that goes into the one-match MP is at the expense of training time for long-term benefits.

Individual Training Focus has nothing to do with Match Prep and is a specialised aspect of long-term training. It also takes time away from general training.

Let me look at the bars of one random player:

Schedules training: 55%

Match Prep 10%

Preferred move 20%

Indiv Focus 15%

If I cancelled the indiv focus, scheduled training would increase to 70%.

If I cancelled the preferred move training as well it would increase to 90%

The match prep is on 'very low'; just to check, I've increased it to 'very high' - now MP is on 50% and his scheduled training is all of 15%.

As it happens, my team is top of the BSC and I don't need any MP for regular league fixtures, so I've turned it off and his scheduled training is now up to 65%.

This player is a teenaged defender so I'm sticking with indiv focus on Strength. When he's a bit older I'll move onto another weakness or possibly add 15% to his scheduled training. His PPM is n early done which will add another 20% to his scheduled training too.

To summarise, right now his actual defending attributes are not improving that fast due to his training being diluted by other factors. In a few weeks when his PPM and indiv focus have concluded, and MP not being necessary, I will be able to put 100% into his scheduled training and he will become a better defender.

For me Professionalism is absolutely key - it is the main attribute affecting how a youngster develops. Ambition is a bit of a 2-edged sword for a lower league manager - the player wants to improve himself - but not necessarily at your club! I prefer Loyalty. Pressure in the lower leagues is not important either except in the odd cup game.

Yeah Professionalism, along with Determination, is absolutely key for everything. Ambition is also affecting development and I have never had any problems with ambitious players wanting to move. Loyalty is good if you use the For the Fans-team talk a lot (they respond well to it in my experience), but a player with a "Loyal" personality won't develop since it also means his Ambition is low, so avoid those. Very Ambitious personalities has very low Loyalty as well.

But back to the topic - Pressure (handling) is very important as well. More important than Big Matches. It is easy to recognize players with low pressure as they buckle whenever you say "for the fans" or "expect a win/performance". It is easy to recognize unprofessional players as they complain about training workload and don't respond well to criticism after poor performances. In extreme cases their fitness may also deteriorate. Indetermined players respond poorly to going a goal down and are more dependent on good morale than determined players.

When I'm in a top division (I always play in either England, Italy or Spain when on a long-term save), I don't sign first-team players with less than 15 Determination, and I know it is a gamble to sign youngsters with less than 12-13 Determination. In regards to Professionalism, Ambition and Pressure, I never look in FMRTE for those so I don't know how many points in those attributes were present in the players I have had who behaved professionally on and off the pitch. I take a guess at 15, the magic number in FM.

1. Yes

2. Yes