JLJ27 Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 I play with Djurgården, an average side in the swedish premier league. All of a sudden my coaches are getting offers from other clubs, and when I try to offer them new contracts they want 5 times as much salary as they have now, and I can only offer approx what they have now so they leave for the other clubs. Here I stand without any coaches at all soon. I have won the swedish league + cup in my 1st year and will soon enter the CL qualification games, so the future is really interesting for the club as well. Is this something that would happen in real life, that almost all of a club's coaches suddenly get offers and leave a club standing there without staff? (Of course I try to find replacements, but I can't get as good ones as the ones who left). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam bell Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 A victim of your own success by the sounds of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornstar Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 I have the exact same problem here. I have coaches that have been at the club for 25 years as a coach, leave at age 64 to go abroad and coach somewhere else. And my board won't allow any wage increases, so I have to let him go. This happened with my entire youth coach staff, most of my scouts, and it happened to my GK coaches (both 4,5 stars). It's all very understandable that other clubs would like to have them, but IRL these transfers wouldn't happen. I saw people suggest to edit them in editor and make them love club/you + increase loyalty. I think SI should rethink this whole staff hiring business. All my iconic staff members have left in the first season, i can find others just as capable, but I like to have the coaching staff that my club has IRL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLJ27 Posted October 31, 2011 Author Share Posted October 31, 2011 The game is supposed to be as life-like as possible, but this feature apparantly is out of control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigfacemonkeyman Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Have you checked to see what wages/deal they accepted from their new clubs and compared it to what they wanted from you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley21 Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 This has been a major issue int he last few FMs to be honest, staff are constantly poached by other teams, sometimes of lower reputation. The really annoying thing is that after they get a contract offer form another club they ask for an insane pay rise from you, usually one the wage budget will not allow, then when they sign with their new club the wage is a lot, lot lower than what they asked for from you. Just a bit silly imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coen Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 In FM11 you were usually able to to sign them up to a new contract before they left, it was usually possible to offer them an improved enough deal to stop them leaving. Not really had this happen to be enough in FM12 yet to know whether it's equally as possible this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonBlade Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 It would be okay if they occasionally rejected the other teams offer. But they accept it 100% of the time. It's less "team x has offered your coach/scout/assman a contract" than "press x to not die". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornstar Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Just did a little check, my poached GK coach Bas van Noortwijk is now earning less at Schalke (1979 e/week) than he was at Feyenoord (2100 e/week). Schalke 04 reputation in FMRTE = 8200, Feyenoord rep = 6999. He has a loyalty of 8. He has been a GK coach at Feyenoord since 1987... I presume that his loyalty was generated randomly. It would be good to base 'random loyalty' on the amount of clubs a coach has had in the past. My GK coach had 25 years at the club, aged 57. IMHO his loyalty should have automatically been set at 20. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley21 Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Just did a little check, my poached GK coach Bas van Noortwijk is now earning less at Schalke (1979 e/week) than he was at Feyenoord (2100 e/week). Schalke 04 reputation in FMRTE = 8200, Feyenoord rep = 6999. He has a loyalty of 8. He has been a GK coach at Feyenoord since 1987... I presume that his loyalty was generated randomly.It would be good to base 'random loyalty' on the amount of clubs a coach has had in the past. My GK coach had 25 years at the club, aged 57. IMHO his loyalty should have automatically been set at 20. Makes perfect sense. Seems a lot of corners are cut when researching staff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 I used to love it when a club would systematically go after everyone of my coaches and I would end up having to give all them a raise. I think its the only thing that annoys me in my FM10 save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLJ27 Posted October 31, 2011 Author Share Posted October 31, 2011 F**k this...now my fitness coach was hunted by another club as well. This is so taking the edge of my game and makes me less inspired to continue. Why is this useless feature in the game?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigredletterday Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Had the same in my current Liverpool save. Towards the end of the first season all sorts of clubs came in for half my staff - some were 'bigger' clubs (chelsea, man city, barca) but some weren't (villa, middeslborough, etc). In FM11 when you then tried to offer these staff new contracts you could negotiate their initially stupidly high wage demands down, but this seems much much harder in FM12. Lot's of my staff wanted an instant doubling of wages, and wouldn't negotiate one iota. Some staff movement is realistic - in my save Rodolfo Borrell left his post as coach to become first team coach at barca - that made sense - but the rest of my staff walking out on a title winning side to join a near relegation Villa team seemed odd. Another thing I've noticed is staff, including unemployed staff, demanding job roles different from/senior to their stated role. For instance, after Villa poached my backroom staff I thought I'd try to recreate the Bootroom - so found Sami Hyypia, who was unemployed and listed as a coach. He absolutely refused to negotiate and job other than ass man. Surely if he sees himself as an as man his job role shouldn’t be listed as coach? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnhughthom Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 This has come up regularly for the past few releases, I don't think I've ever seen an SI employee comment on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 If you really value your staff, don't give them the minimum contract they will accept, give them the maximum you are allowed. The compensation will deter some clubs poaching them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coentrao Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 I must say i really haven't seen this happening on FM11 and haven't played FM12 long enough yet. If you really value your staff, don't give them the minimum contract they will accept, give them the maximum you are allowed. The compensation will deter some clubs poaching them. Could be because of this, i always renew with staff on 5 seasons contracts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornstar Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 If you really value your staff, don't give them the minimum contract they will accept, give them the maximum you are allowed. The compensation will deter some clubs poaching them. This might work while playing top teams in the world, but playing the lesser teams this is useless. you cannot afford to splurge the money on coaches. I believe the staff market is just way to volatile for staff. SI should look into this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanSpur Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 In past FMs you'd get told a club had come in for a member of staff and 2 posts up it says he's already gone without you getting the chance to do anything about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grade Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 F**k this...now my fitness coach was hunted by another club as well. This is so taking the edge of my game and makes me less inspired to continue.Why is this useless feature in the game?! My suggestion is report it in the Bug Forum, at least to call the attention from SI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArsenalFan7 Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 The funniest part is we're the ones who nick all the staff from other clubs in the first place Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 The funniest part is we're the ones who nick all the staff from other clubs in the first place Shhh. We're not gonna talk about that. >.> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLJ27 Posted October 31, 2011 Author Share Posted October 31, 2011 OK, so now I´ve committed a tiny sin by using FMRTE to increase me wage budget so I can get proper coaches to my club again. I want a good fitness coach to start with. I found a coach from Brazil who is clubless and he wants €1,100 per week. Since I increased my finances I now have €275,000 to spend on salaries, of which I currently use €48,500 per week. So, how much am I allowed to pay this guy you think? The maximum amount I can pay him is...€350 a week...WTF?! So even if I cheat and get my club 2783628709 billion zillion euros, I still couldn't hire anyone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 As the proverb goes, cheats never prosper. Let that be a lesson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KUBI Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 So even if I cheat and get my club 2783628709 billion zillion euros, I still couldn't hire anyone? You could buy a better club with that money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLJ27 Posted October 31, 2011 Author Share Posted October 31, 2011 You could buy a better club with that money. I might do that, just so I can get that bloody fitness coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLJ27 Posted October 31, 2011 Author Share Posted October 31, 2011 As the proverb goes, cheats never prosper.Let that be a lesson. Well, if I play by the rules - I can't keep any coaches. If I cheat - I can't get any coaches. Ergo - find another hobby and spread the word that FM sucks. Fair enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welshace Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 the board restricts how much they want to spend on staff , nevermind your budget etc... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLJ27 Posted October 31, 2011 Author Share Posted October 31, 2011 the board restricts how much they want to spend on staff , nevermind your budget etc... And there is no way I can change that I guess? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 OK, so now I´ve committed a tiny sin by using FMRTE to increase me wage budget so I can get proper coaches to my club again. I want a good fitness coach to start with.I found a coach from Brazil who is clubless and he wants €1,100 per week. Since I increased my finances I now have €275,000 to spend on salaries, of which I currently use €48,500 per week. So, how much am I allowed to pay this guy you think? The maximum amount I can pay him is...€350 a week...WTF?! So even if I cheat and get my club 2783628709 billion zillion euros, I still couldn't hire anyone? If you're going to cheat with FMRTE why not just swap a rubbish coach for the one yo u want and give him a stupid contract? You could do that with FM11 but I dont know if the early FM12 FMRTE has the staff swap function yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWind Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I've found (especially managing in the lower leagues) that when seeking coaches, if I offer job applicants like half (or less) of what they initially want and then slowly notch it up, I can sometimes get them to agree to the pittance my club is willing to pay. But by and large, finding applicants who don't have absurd wage demands has been one of the biggest challenges for me. Not game-breaking, but kind of annoying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AjaxNo1 Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I often find when they do this to me, they upgrade their role, ie from Coach to First team coach But I have quite abit of success just offering a new contract when the bid comes in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsenalthebest Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 liam brady was headhunted by another club is just dont belive he leave arsenal for another club he a fan favourite ! liam brady thats a beautiful name Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AjaxNo1 Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 What job did he go to? and yeah I doubt he would leave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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