The Welsh Lad Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 This is a follow on from this thread: http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/274485-Couple-of-questions I thought I would give it a new heading to make it more specific to my query. Hope thats ok. From the original OP he asked when players become coaches do their stats increase. He was inform yes they do because of their PA rating, this got me thinking :confused: Do these player who become coaches carry over their PA rating? For example, Messi would have to potential to be a world class coach if he decides to stay in the game. I assume their CA rating drops because of the lack of experience. Or am I totally wrong and they are given a random set of CA/PA ratings. Thanks to anyone who was a clue on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacticalGenius Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 I believe they keep their CA/PA, and as their playing stats decrease, their coaching stats rise. I believe this as Lee Hendrie (35 y/o CM) on my game had aspirations of becoming a Scout. I had a chat with him and he gained staff attributes. A while later, his playing stats dropped, and around the same time his JPP went up... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 I am not sure, I had David Artell retire from playing after he left my Crewe side. I have no idea what his PA and CA are but I assume they are low as he is barely good enough to play in English League Two yet he went on to become a world class coac,h maybe it was just a lucky spread of his attributes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveJones Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 No they arent keeping their CA/PA. I just looked Ryan Giggs potential using Genie and find out he got 130/135 CA/PA(This changes every time they retire so i dont think its necessary to use spoiler button) But this isnt stopping him from being a good coach. He has 4.5 star on shooting and ball control training. Maybe they are keeping their mental attributes when they retire. I dunno for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacticalGenius Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 I am not sure, I had David Artell retire from playing after he left my Crewe side. I have no idea what his PA and CA are but I assume they are low as he is barely good enough to play in English League Two yet he went on to become a world class coac,h maybe it was just a lucky spread of his attributes. Hmm, yeah thinking about it, my terrible CB David Chadwick (I'm managing FC United, 2012-13) is now a 4* defender player/coach... The only way to find out is to use one of those FMRTE things and check their playing CA/PA and their Coaching CA/PA, if such a thing is possible? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacticalGenius Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Maybe they are keeping their mental attributes when they retire. I dunno for sure. Nope, I'm sure my guy has different Determination on his coaching stats to his playing stats... Just loading my game to check. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacticalGenius Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Chadwick: Hendrie: How stupid that they have different determination as staff than they do as players... :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley21 Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 On one of my old saves Danny Cadamateri turned out to be a world class coach with several attributes in the 16-20 range. So i assume the PA/CA is randomised? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacticalGenius Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 So i assume the PA/CA is randomised? That, or coaching stats take nowhere near as much CA as playing stats? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Welsh Lad Posted September 13, 2011 Author Share Posted September 13, 2011 Thanks for getting back guys. Would be nice is someone from SI could inform us but I know they are busy and all with the new game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigfacemonkeyman Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 There is info regarding the PA of players>coaches from FM10 in this: Every player who I have seen become a coach, scout, etc were given PA130. From what I can remember, they kept their personalities as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Welsh Lad Posted September 13, 2011 Author Share Posted September 13, 2011 how do I view it I just get a spoiler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazaru5 Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 how do I view it I just get a spoiler highlight it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Welsh Lad Posted September 13, 2011 Author Share Posted September 13, 2011 Cheer Lazaru EDIT: oh, and thanks PFMM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveJones Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 There is info regarding the PA of players>coaches from FM10 in this: Every player who I have seen become a coach, scout, etc were given PA130. From what I can remember, they kept their personalities as well. No, Matuzalem has 185 PA in my game. So this is changed in 2011 i guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigfacemonkeyman Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 No, Matuzalem have 185 PA in my game. So this is changed in 2011 i guess. It would make more sense if it has. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Riz Remes Posted September 14, 2011 SI Staff Share Posted September 14, 2011 When players turn into non-players, they get new non-playing CA/PA assigned, based partly on their playing ability and attributes but also partly on more random factors. So the best players don't necessarily turn into the best non-players and there can be non-playing gems who never amounted to much as a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Things Could Get Messi Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 speaking of david artell, he became a top class ass man on 1 of my old saves and i took him with me everytime i changed clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacticalGenius Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 When players turn into non-players, they get new non-playing CA/PA assigned, based partly on their playing ability and attributes but also partly on more random factors. So the best players don't necessarily turn into the best non-players and there can be non-playing gems who never amounted to much as a player. Thanks for taking the time to reply. If a player is a player/coach, do they still have separate CA/PA for playing and coaching? It's just that with Lee Hendrie (posted a few posts above) his playing stats dropped, and around the same time his scouting stats rose. Coincidence? I've got a couple of hopeless non-league players that have become decent coaches, and I'm looking at another. I'm only in 2012-13, in the BSP, and I already have at least 3* coaches, with 4 of them being 4* and two with 3.5* and of those, six are ex-players, all non-league. The only coach I have who wasn't a non-league player at the start is my fitness coach who has always been a fitness coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Welsh Lad Posted September 14, 2011 Author Share Posted September 14, 2011 Hi guys wish I was technical savy and able to provide screen shots but I carried out a little experiment where I created 3 players Aged 39 with 20 for wanting to become a coach they had the same mental stats but different CA/PA player 1 CA 135 PA 182, Player 2 CA 135 PA 135 and Player 3 CA 182 PA 182 when offered a Player/Coach role they keeped their current CA/PA but once retired and solely Coaches they had different CA/PA they dropped down to around 130 PA. So thanks for all the replies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacticalGenius Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 when offered a Player/Coach role they keeped their current CA/PA but once retired and solely Coaches they had different CA/PA they dropped down to around 130 PA Dropped? For my coaches that would probably represent a good sized bump UP in PA! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebder88 Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Does age have any effect on the outcome of staff CA/PA? I am at the start of a new Liverpool save and I want Gerrard and Carragher to be part of my coaching staff before they move on to management careers of their own. I have already had the conversation with Carra and got him started and it seems like he could develop into a decent manager. However, I am unsure as to whether i should do the same with Gerrard as he is a bit younger and still has a few more years in the first team ahead of him. Am I best to leave it for a few seasons or get him started as early as possible? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Welsh Lad Posted September 14, 2011 Author Share Posted September 14, 2011 Age doesn't come into it I think. If your a top team you would like your players firing on all cilinders so I would leave gerrard just playing for now when you start seeing his stats to decrease then I'd look at moving him into the backroom set up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebder88 Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Yeah I'm going to leave him for now. Carra doesn't have long left in the team any more (especially with the way he has been playing for me at the moment) so I'm going to see if I can get him on a player/coach contract next season. Thanks for the advice! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Riz Remes Posted September 14, 2011 SI Staff Share Posted September 14, 2011 Non-playing CA/PA is separate from any player CA/PA even if the player happens to already be a player/non-player (ie. player/coach for example). In the Lee Hendrie example above, the CA/PA's are still separate and not directly connected, but it is just natural for an old player to decline in abilities whilst newly started non-players learn new things. So it may seem that when the playing abilities go down, the non-playing abilities go up but that's just a coincidence from the natural tendencies at that point of a player/non-player career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacticalGenius Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Non-playing CA/PA is separate from any player CA/PA even if the player happens to already be a player/non-player (ie. player/coach for example). In the Lee Hendrie example above, the CA/PA's are still separate and not directly connected, but it is just natural for an old player to decline in abilities whilst newly started non-players learn new things. So it may seem that when the playing abilities go down, the non-playing abilities go up but that's just a coincidence from the natural tendencies at that point of a player/non-player career. Ah, ok. Thanks again for replying! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigfacemonkeyman Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Riz Remes, thanks a lot for the above explanations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andu1 Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 So...has there been a tweak to the preffered formations for the players turning into coaches ? I remeber the previous versions having an issue with this, and most of the newgen coaches were adopting 4-4-2, 3-5-2 or 5-3-2 as their main tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOEJOE Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 was just wondering if you could tell me what skin this is in these pics and where i can get it from? thanks Chadwick: Hendrie: How stupid that they have different determination as staff than they do as players... :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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