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mark_oni
03-09-2011, 21:00
Bojan transfer to Roma is very complictated and I'm wondering if it will be possible to implement it to the FM 2012.

I remind You the deal: Roma paid 12 mln Euros (in fact will pay to July 2012). After the first season Barcelona MIGHT buy him back for 15 mln Euros and after the second season Barcelona HAS TO buy him back for 15 mln Euros (but Roma has the option to block the transfer to Barcelona by paying additional 28 mln Euros).

I suppose it can be very difficult to implement that in the game, but maybe I am wrong?

FM Pro
03-09-2011, 21:02
Yeh I guess it would kinda crazy to understand

Call Me Dave
03-09-2011, 21:09
If they couldn't implement it on FM12, wouldn't that mean he would either have to stay at Roma permanently or Roma will basically be paying a €12million loan deal for a season?

stevie_G_32201
03-09-2011, 21:10
If they couldn't implement it on FM12, wouldn't that mean he would either have to stay at Roma permanently or Roma will basically be paying a €12million loan deal for a season?

Yes, with a future fee agreed.

FM Pro
03-09-2011, 21:11
There may be other ways of doing this though

afced7
03-09-2011, 21:12
I assume they'll either: Set a future transfer to Barcelona that happens in the second season or have him at Roma with a 15 million Euro buy back clause.

Alan A Wadge
04-09-2011, 13:58
The best way to do it is to make him on loan from Barca to Roma for 2 seasons with a future agreed fee of 28million.

GaIatasaray_35
04-09-2011, 14:31
The best way to do it is to make him on loan from Barca to Roma for 2 seasons with a future agreed fee of 28million.

this seems to be the smartest way.

Shake Appeal
04-09-2011, 14:37
Every time I think about this deal I laugh. Roma got scalped.

Alan A Wadge
04-09-2011, 14:58
depends how you see it, worst case scenario they have loaned out a prodigy for 2 years for 1million. Hardly a bad deal! If he turns out to be the next Messi, they would have bought him for 40million.

Shake Appeal
04-09-2011, 15:13
It's more likely that Barcelona just paid Roma 3m to give a player two seasons of first-team Serie A football for them.

asdpoo
04-09-2011, 15:19
It doesn't matter much, because the AI won't be able to evaluate so complex deals anyway and people will just find a way to exploit it.

CrD
04-09-2011, 15:22
Bojan transfer to Roma is very complictated and I'm wondering if it will be possible to implement it to the FM 2012.I remind You the deal: Roma paid 12 mln Euros (in fact will pay to July 2012). After the first season Barcelona MIGHT buy him back for 15 mln Euros and after the second season Barcelona HAS TO buy him back for 15 mln Euros (but Roma has the option to block the transfer to Barcelona by paying additional 28 mln Euros).

Like wow, what is this world coming to, really?

RBKalle
04-09-2011, 15:37
Ugh...

Let's see...

On loan for 2 seasons with Barça paying a wage % (to make it up for the extra 3M) and with a Future Fee of 40M


It's not the ideal way, but AFAICT it's the only way to have Barça "pay" for the loan and to give Roma a chance to buy him for the actual total sum they'd end up paying IRL

Eugene Tyson
04-09-2011, 15:37
I think it's a good deal. You have a player that's fairly decent and young. He's not getting his game at Nou Camp. Mainly because of David Villa.

Villa is almost 31 or 32? Can't remember. Anyway. Bojan to Roma for €12m. Not a bad buy for a still promissing player. If he becomes good, and when Villa is that bit older that it's hard to pick him, Barcelon have the option of buying him back for €15m. Which isn't bad. They are essentially paying Roma €3m to play him.

But now if Bojan becomes a force to be reckoned with, Roma have the option to buy him for €28m.


Either way, both clubs win here. I'm sure if Barcelona don't want him at the Nou Camp that he could be sold for a lot more than €3m that they effectively lost.


This seems to benefit everyone.

Some Guy!
04-09-2011, 15:42
...never mind the game, I'm baffled by this transfer!

Okay, so... let's get this straight...

Bojan has gone to Roma for €12 million Euros. If Barca want to they can buy him back after one season for €13 million and after 2 seasons they must buy him back for this price unless Roma pay an additional €28 mil...

Why?! So essentially Barca are paying Roma a cool million to take him on a 2 year loan with an option of a €40 mil deal... That's basically getting rid of the up front fee and factoring it in later.

Shake Appeal
04-09-2011, 15:47
Also, the €3m overall 'loss' Barca will incur if/when they buy him back will have been more than covered by saving on two years' worth of his wages. Not to mention inflation softening the agreed fee!

Eugene Tyson
04-09-2011, 15:49
Not quite, i think

Barcelona can buy him back for €15m and must after two years. That's his buy-back clause.

But Roma can stop Barca from signing him back by paying them €28m.

There's no obligation from Roma to sign him for €28m. Depends if they want him.

But Barca must buy him back for €15m after 2 years.


THat's my understanding of it.

milnerpoint
04-09-2011, 15:54
i thought it was more a case of Barca dont have to buy him back, but if they want to and Roma dont want to lose him then Roma must pay the extra to keep him?

RBKalle
04-09-2011, 15:56
Not quite, i think

Barcelona can buy him back for €15m and must after two years. That's his buy-back clause.

But Roma can stop Barca from signing him back by paying them €28m.

There's no obligation from Roma to sign him for €28m. Depends if they want him.

But Barca must buy him back for €15m after 2 years.


THat's my understanding of it.


Indeed...

but there's no way (I guess) to recreate such a deal in FM...

All we have are Future Fee and Buy-back clause, but as Buy-back clauses don't apply to loans, it's impossible to recreate the intricate 12m/15m/28+12m clauses scenario

Alan A Wadge
04-09-2011, 16:02
as I said earlier "the best way to do it is to make him on loan from Barca to Roma for 2 seasons with a future agreed fee of 28million. " is the closest possible thing

FMtillidie
04-09-2011, 16:06
what a terrible deal, i' am pretty sure they'll be able to do it

Eugene Tyson
04-09-2011, 16:09
Could be done like co-owning a player?

You'd have Roma bid to co-own Bojan. Bojan moves to Roma. Decision on to bid for him in 2 years time?

Would that work?

Guess it's just speculation, the guys at SI probably have a better plan?

CrD
04-09-2011, 16:09
So then this deal, Roma have the first option to buy then after two years yeah?

Eugene Tyson
04-09-2011, 16:18
Yeh I guess so, €28m preset clause.

And if they don't the Barca must take him back for €15m.

Shake Appeal
04-09-2011, 16:56
This weird transfer is as good a reason as any for SI to take a long, hard look at the flexibility of their transfer system.

And 'fix' the limitations of co-ownerships in the game while they're at it.

CrD
04-09-2011, 17:10
But like it's been said, Roma have just been paid to take Bojan on loan with an option to buy. Difference is Roma had to put up there own money first hand and if they don't want to keep him then they will just make a profit for using a good player in there team!

afced7
04-09-2011, 17:42
This weird transfer is as good a reason as any for SI to take a long, hard look at the flexibility of their transfer system.

And 'fix' the limitations of co-ownerships in the game while they're at it.

The AI will make a mess of it, and I hardly think one transfer is a good reason for SI to massively change the transfer system.

Eugene Tyson
04-09-2011, 17:55
They could allow co-ownership of players across continents with pre-agreed transfer fees?

It would be interesting.