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AcidBurn
17-08-2011, 22:24
I have never really believed in bogey sides on FM but this season in my Puebla game I have lost six games all season. One against Man City in the World Club Cup thing, once against Corinthians away in the Libertadores and one more loss against Pumas in the league. My other three loses were against the same team Morelia there team is not awesome in fact player for player my side should destroy them. So simple question do bogey teams exist in FM or is it a coincidence?

themadsheep2001
17-08-2011, 22:27
Im not sure, but playing as United I always have particular issues with Spurs and Fulham

Nottingham Forest
17-08-2011, 22:36
I do believe bogey sides exist. I can't think of any sides that I have struggled against in any FM11 games off the top of my head, but I do think they exist.

ArsenalFan7
17-08-2011, 22:39
Atletico Madrid always destroy me in La Liga, even when my side is far superior.

I believe in them. I've also had trouble with the likes of Wigan and Fulham in the EPL and others in other leagues.

willdev345
17-08-2011, 22:42
Bolton are a boogey side no matter what team I use they once beat my undefeated Man U. side 8-0

blueowl
17-08-2011, 22:44
On my gainsborough trinity save I have such a problem with leicester city I now dislike them in real life.

AcidBurn
17-08-2011, 22:44
Bolton are a boogey side no matter what team I use they once beat my undefeated Man U. side 8-0

How the hell did that happen?

willdev345
17-08-2011, 22:49
I really don't know they just beat me they some how have Christian Eriksen, Gotze, and a regen I release. I guess the regen had something to prove cause he destoryed my team. I might sign in January which is just around the corner.

av3ry
17-08-2011, 22:54
Yes, Real Madrid. Lost 7-0 at the Bernabeu 3 times at Malaga. Moved to Valencia and the scorelines been more closer but with Real winning, (4-2 and 2-0).

My record vs Real at Malaga...
http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq214/avry_2008/Worsthead-to-head.png

stevie_G_32201
17-08-2011, 22:56
Newcastle screw me over every single time i play them :mad:

afced7
17-08-2011, 22:59
I always used to get ripped apart by Racing Santander when they had Munitis and Zigic, no matter which club I was managing in Spain

Lem
17-08-2011, 23:39
Wolves, Burnley, and Stoke take it in turns to rape my Arsenal squad. I think they've ruined my unbeaten record each season for the last 8 years!

nbrethe
18-08-2011, 00:35
Huddersfield for me, with my Burton team I had a 1-2-4 record against them including a playoff semi draw and loss, and a loss a few games earlier in the season where a win could well have given us automatic promotion. But I had the last laugh and beat them in the playoff final the next year. Sean Scannell just killed me every time. Preston are similar, they are bollocks but always do well against me and Akwasi Asante keeps getting hattricks and 4 or 5 past me each game!!!

leavingtrain
18-08-2011, 02:36
Bogey teams and even bogey players exist.

Alex Bone at Raith Rovers always used to destroy my Celtic and Rangers teams.

Falahk
18-08-2011, 03:02
games against Spartak Moscow, Udinese and Getafe all use to be a bit problematic for me, no mather which team im playing

rancer890
18-08-2011, 05:19
Burnley have given me lots of trouble during my time at Reading.

Ackter
18-08-2011, 05:27
I have always hated facing Dinamo Kyiev and Huddersfield.

Braundjoh
18-08-2011, 05:41
As Dartford I lost 6 times in a row to Bristol Rovers. Was very annoying. And at TNS I kept losing to Neath, Lee Trundle was too good :p

La Furia Roja
18-08-2011, 06:27
i don't believe there are. What i believe there are, are some teams tactics/formations etc that cause your side problems, so pretty much every time you play 'team X' who use that formation etc you struggle, hence them being thought of as your 'bogey' team.

I was always told that teams with a fast tempo and a wide formation would do well against me, whenever i played my 'bogey' team i noticed that they were playing quick and wide, 2+2 being 4 i adjusted my tactics and formation to counter it and did them 3-0. Currently played 8 since then, 7 wins and a draw!

BigHairyAndy
18-08-2011, 09:01
PSNI

Even when I was the Champions League holders and they were still in the Northern Irish Second Division, it didn't matter. My toughest game of the season would always be PSNI in the cup. And I'd always end up being drawn against them.

jackripper
18-08-2011, 10:20
West Brom and Ishmael Miller from a previous FM were a pain in my backside.

x42bn6
18-08-2011, 10:35
There's one regen manager in my game whose tactics are horrifically good against mine, but he has never moved to a big club. Hopefully, that never happens... He's one of the few managers whom I have to deploy a totally different tactic against simply because he falls in the 0.1% of tactics that actually really hurt mine (the tactic performs at least above-average against the remaining 99.9%).

aderow
18-08-2011, 11:09
bogey teams.....I have had a couple over the years.

At different times, both of the madrids would fall under that category.

Atletico were so freaking annoying because of the fact that they never created chances...my defenders created chances for them.
The best part about real madrid was that Raul ALWAYS jumped higher than Crouch and ALWAYS faster than Walcott. Was complete BS everytime :D

Other bogey teams? Anyone who employs a narrow tactic. Mind you I still play FM10.

Andrew!
18-08-2011, 11:20
I always have trouble against Burnley

BungleFish
18-08-2011, 11:25
As Man Utd, Bolton ALWAYS give me a game (and normally win as well)
As Brighton, for 4! (yes 4!) years in a row, i got drawn against Man City in the Cup's and they beat me everytime :(

Bracken
18-08-2011, 11:43
Bogey team, thy name is Wigan. I hate Wigan. I was delighted when they were relegated on my current Chelsea save, thought I'd finally have to stop playing them, and then drew them in the FA Cup. Took me a replay to beat them, which was better than my results in the league in past seasons.

Robsy1990
18-08-2011, 15:44
Reading were my bogey team in my Southampton FM10 save. I think over the course of my 23-year save, I beat them about 7 times in all competitions. Reckon I must have played them at least 30/35 times? They were the one team I feared drawing in the cup, such was my poor record against them :(

stevie_G_32201
18-08-2011, 15:45
I hate that junior hoilett player too, i was scouting him as a potential signing but decided against it. every single game he plays against me he scores.

Krald
18-08-2011, 16:31
Fulham were traditionally mine, but I seem to have overcome that (so I say, but it may well rear its ugly head again).

Bradley21
18-08-2011, 17:27
Never really had a bogey team but a bogey player? Hell yeah.

Russell Hoult, the one time West Brom goalkeeper ALWAYS got a 9.0+ rating against me in FM07 (i think it was 07 anyway), no matter who i was or who he was playing for. In fact despite winning leagues and champions leagues with ease i could never beat west brom, or any other club he played for :(

INV
18-08-2011, 17:29
I'm Chelsea and smashing league every year but still Arsenal have beaten me x3 than I've overcome them. Even if they play their second squad with 90% condition all :d

FaceCrusher
18-08-2011, 20:01
What matters is the manager (sometimes players) of the opposing teams.

For example, when I face underdogs with a manager that employs a very slow tempo with very short passing, I always struggle. And if, on top of that, they have some good technical players, I have to slide closing down to the max or I won't even have the ball, no matter the quality of my team.

One team like that is Naval in the Portuguese league under manager Mozer with his 4-2-2-2 Brazilian style.

INV
18-08-2011, 21:48
For example, when I face underdogs with a manager that employs a very slow tempo with very short passing, I always struggle. And if, on top of that, they have some good technical players, I have to slide closing down to the max or I won't even have the ball, no matter the quality of my team.

Eee imo that's matter of your tactic, it doesn't work that well against slow tempo & slow passes. I think it's not related to this thread...

FaceCrusher
18-08-2011, 22:59
Eee imo that's matter of your tactic, it doesn't work that well against slow tempo & slow passes. I think it's not related to this thread...

Of course it is related, what I'm trying to say is that there are managers whose style is very effective against yours. That's what makes bogey teams. You don't always lose against the same club just because.

Kain
18-08-2011, 23:39
Managing Real Madrid at the moment on FM10. A couple of seasons ago, I thought I was finally going to go a whole season unbeaten, until in my 34th match, I lose 2-1 away to Almeria. Season after that, I'd actually won my first 32 matches before losing 1-0 at home to Almeria, ending my winning streak, unbeaten streak and a nearly 18-month scoring-in-every game streak in one swoop.

This season I had Almeria in my second match, but as I lost the first one anyway, there was no pressure to keep up any kind of run. Smashed them 12-3 for my biggest win in the 25ish seasons I've been playing!

charlo116
19-08-2011, 02:04
On fm 10 as liverpool i had a terrible record against stoke. I think in about 10 games against them a won once and drew twice. After i realised my record was that bad i never held back against them and i started to improve that record. At one point i beat them 6-1 as i constantly tried to field a full strength side whenever i played them.

Krald
19-08-2011, 03:21
Gah Argentina are my bogey team as brazil, I just cannot beat them, they score a bazillion long shots even if we dominate otherwise.

Celtic_Bhoy_1888
19-08-2011, 06:37
Playing as Celtic, Inverness seem to cause me a lot of bother especially away from home... Much like real life then :(

mimland
19-08-2011, 09:48
For my still rather short spell att Barcelona I have had serious issues with Valencia, once managed to lose 3 games in a row against them, played them in the cup and the league game happened to be in between that. Just managed to scrape a win 2-1 against them and hope that will break the horrible mental hold they have had over my team though.

La Furia Roja
19-08-2011, 09:56
For my still rather short spell att Barcelona I have had serious issues with Valencia, once managed to lose 3 games in a row against them, played them in the cup and the league game happened to be in between that. Just managed to scrape a win 2-1 against them and hope that will break the horrible mental hold they have had over my team though.

it is their tactics, if you are playing barca close to real life formations and tactics, valencia will do very well against a 433. I had the same issue but overcame it but pulling my wing backs back to full backs and my wingers to midfielders.

mimland
19-08-2011, 10:41
I'm not playing anything close to their real life tactic I would assume, don't know because as difficult it is to believe and weird as it seems I'm not much of a football fan. I watch the occational game if someone else is watching it (mostly Liverpool once in our house) but other than that pretty much all my football experience is this game and various other management games over the past 20+ years. I play a 4-2-4 at the moment that I made for my Sampdoria team. When I took over barca they had a similar set of players so I put them on the same tactic with a pretty good successrate sofar, except for Valencia games that is.

furiousuk
19-08-2011, 10:46
Bogey teams definitely exist, largely because their tactics are strong against your own so they'll always be a problem until either one of you switches tactics, of course, if you switch tactics you run the risk of destroying your own team all by yourself so it's a catch 22!! It wouldn't surprise me if FM considered the previous form between the 2 sides to add more spice to the match experience too.


In previous FMs (going back to early CMs) I always had a problem with Everton. So much so that I figured that Ov and Paul (as Everton fans) had coded them to always give the human player a hard time!! Beware the toffees

tyro
19-08-2011, 12:48
Aston Villa and ManCity in my current Liverpool save. I am only in season 3 but everytime I face those two teams I know it will be a draw or a loss.

For Aston Villa actually it's always a draw. 0:0. 2:2. 1:1. Can't beat them. Even if it looks like it. 90th+3 they equalize.

For ManCity. It's always a marathon game. Seem to play them in the cups as well. Always goes to penalties and they win. Regular league matches they win or it's a draw.

Season 1 the strong teams spurs, Manu, Chelsea were trouble and just destroyed me. But I was able to beat them after trying, tweaking and getting better players.

Just doesn't work against AV and ManC.

Raybouldinho
19-08-2011, 13:08
Ipswich and Stoke. Although in my current game Stoke have been languishing in the Championship for a while, so I'm safe for now. Ipswich is always one of those games where I seem to concede early and then theres no highlights for the rest of the game and it just flies by. :mad:

As Wolves any game against West Brom should be a difficult one...but I always win rather compfortably :D I've played them about 16 times in 5 seasons (lots of cup ties against them!) and lost only once away in a Carling Cup game where I played my reserves as I was more interested in Europe and drawn only twice. Some of the wins have been completely euphoric, played then first game of the season in this season and beat them 5-2 at home with Khouma Babacar scoring 5 on his debut. I've just won the league and they've been relegated!

Karnage94
19-08-2011, 13:46
Always struggled against Bolton and Shakhtar. Both play a narrow 4-2-3-1. I don't know how to counter it. That's about it

Lem
21-08-2011, 04:55
i don't believe there are. What i believe there are, are some teams tactics/formations etc that cause your side problems, so pretty much every time you play 'team X' who use that formation etc you struggle, hence them being thought of as your 'bogey' team.

I was always told that teams with a fast tempo and a wide formation would do well against me, whenever i played my 'bogey' team i noticed that they were playing quick and wide, 2+2 being 4 i adjusted my tactics and formation to counter it and did them 3-0. Currently played 8 since then, 7 wins and a draw!
Whilst that's possibly more true, it only works as long as they use the same formation/manager. ;)
It also doesn't account for inconsistency, such as the good record they have but also beating them 7-0.

dannyxx20
21-08-2011, 05:06
as arsenal, over my first two seasons, i've played spurs 4 times, i've won 1 and lost the other 3. the game i won i had fielded a much weaker team than normal!

Rafa2007
21-08-2011, 08:14
I have a few in my Alfreton save, even since I've become a top 5 side.

Played Villa 19 times, won 3 drew 5 lost 11. Only beaten them away from home once.

Also only won away against Bolton just twice in 10 attempts, including getting thumped 6-0.

Played Arsenal 25 times, won 3, drawn 4 lost 18. Never beaten them at the Emirates [3D, 8L]

Tottenham use to be a bogey team for me, beaten them 3 games in a row now though so tides are turning a bit, but before that I was 1 win, 3 draws in 18 games.

Buggs_18
21-08-2011, 11:30
Playing as Celtic, Inverness seem to cause me a lot of bother especially away from home... Much like real life then :(

100% with this. The ******** even do me in at home as well:mad:

DaveJones
21-08-2011, 13:20
Seriously thinkin' about removing Bolton from the game :mad:

Gooner32
21-08-2011, 13:59
I remember being Arsenal on FM07 and always having problems with Sheffield United. Nowadays though it's usually Wolves, Fulham and Bolton that give me trouble.

Oh and Dynamo Kiev :mad:

Deisler26
21-08-2011, 14:31
I have serious problems playing SC Braga. Well, not serious, but they've beaten me more times than Porto/Benfica/Sporting combined in the last 5 seasons.

Vane
21-08-2011, 17:20
As others have said, we all get used to playing our teams in a certain way even if we change formation a bit. So you're bound to come across a team with a manager who's tactics will be very effective against yours. That's why sometimes when your team is in good form you can get an unexpected thrashing. Sometimes you can try and change things around mid game but you can mess up and make things worse.

coppicat
21-08-2011, 23:21
As Leeds its Shef United.... but I can actually see the point.

Leeds are fierce rivals for Shef United while Shef United is only a normal rival for Leeds.

Check out if this implies for some of your "bogey" teams.

StevenChap
22-08-2011, 03:17
Chris Kirkland was always a keeper I could never go past. A strike force of Torres, Arguero, then Hulk, Rooney at half time all failed to go past him for 3 years -.-

The-Perfect-Fm'er!
22-08-2011, 03:36
other way round, on my game. I was Sutton United, I played Arsenal 58 times and lost once. They were top 10 virutally every season and top 6 for most of it. Even when I first got promoted and first about 6 seasons of 'establishing myself' from promotion - top 6 finish, in that period, I remained unbeaten. Remarkable really.

Mikelsoul
22-08-2011, 09:05
Wigan and Wolves are a right pain in the ass

Le Tissier's Nose
22-08-2011, 09:08
Im not sure, but playing as United I always have particular issues with Spurs and Fulham

Which 'United' ?

That hardly narrows it down...

I'm guessing Newcastle.

Somebodyfoolish
23-08-2011, 08:04
There are boogey teams, sure. In one of my current saves I'm playing with Logrones in the Segunda B and are leading it as the season is closing, but have little hope of going up, as I will face Palencia and Gimnastica in the playoffs. My team has lost both games in the league against Palencia with one goal, and have played four times against Gimnastica (twice in the league, twice in the Federation cup) and have gotten one draw and lost three times.

In each game, my team has dominated, gotten more shots on goal, but the opponents have done most of the scoring. There's nothing impressive or extraordinary in the AI tactics of their game, and I even bought in the winter transfer window Gimnastica's best striker for myself, but it didn't help.

StormenDK
23-08-2011, 13:28
Always struggled against Bolton and Shakhtar. Both play a narrow 4-2-3-1. I don't know how to counter it. That's about it

I don't think I, as such, have problems with specific teams in my games, but then again I don't play long career games much, due to new patches, new database updates or just a new FM ;)

But meeting Accrington in L2 who plays this, with my Bath City team. I just can't seem to get a handle on the 5 midfielders. My poor two man midfield is just getting over-run all the time. Somehow the other AI managers seem to cope fine, as Accrington was languishing near the drop zone all season.

Spart
23-08-2011, 13:35
As Blackpool currently in 2020, its Man City. For the past four seasons i've lost all but once and only managed to put two past them. Shocking really. They're not even all that competitive for the league having only won it a few seasons ago and only manage 3rd or 4th each year.

I manage to get my team up for it against all the other big boys and upstarts. City just have my number year in, year out!

Lem
23-08-2011, 14:03
Add Benfica to my list. 10th CL game in 10 years, so an array of tactics and managers to face, but whilst 5/5 at home, inlcuding 7-0, 6-1, 5-0, 4-0 - no away wins. 1 draw 4 losses (including a 4-0 but mostly just 1 goal).
I don't get how I can lose 4-0 away and win 7-0 at home(yes, that was the same season).

Lost to Peterborough this year for the first time, but put 7 past Chelsea and 6 past United. Have a pretty amazing record against Chelsea, think it's 2 losses from 56?
The inconsistency is just mind boggling.

minisav
23-08-2011, 14:22
I just won the SPL in the first season with Aberdeen. I only lost 2 games, both to Hibs at home :mad:

they finished 7th as well :(

cplpeters1900
23-08-2011, 16:28
When I was Palermo it was definetly Inter Milan, until one cup match in my 3rd season with them which I dominated them in both legs :D

E.Gray
25-08-2011, 19:49
I play Barca total football tactics with Lazio, won the last 4 Serie A, numerous Italian Cups etc but for the last two seasons now i have met bloody Olympique Lyonnais in the CL, the first year i got destroyed 4-1 in the first leg and then was going though on away goals in the second until they scored injury time winner grrrrrrr, the season after i get them in the Semis, the first leg is a 0-0 draw at home, went to there place and got turned over 3-1 even though i absolutely dominated the game, i am praying that we don't meet next season, i would rather have Arsenal (who are ranked no.1 team in the world, current CL holders).

Anti Spiral
28-08-2011, 19:44
http://i.imgur.com/e45i9.jpg

Fuzzbuzz1234
28-08-2011, 23:50
Yeah I've got a couple of bogey teams, it's really annoying. I keep resisitng the urge to go like more defensive because I feel like I *should* be beating them, and that is usually my downfall.

Anyway on my Man Utd save I always have trouble against Sunderland. And on my Real Sociedad game, I find it near impossible to beat Almerķa

slappy_bag
29-08-2011, 15:32
Stockport :mad:

stemlfc
29-08-2011, 15:47
Having enjoyed saves with Milan, Palermo, Inter and Genoa on this game, Bologna always see me struggle. They broke my 37 game unbeaten run with a 89th minute winner. :(