League conspiracy...

This isn't a troll, I am just curious.

Anyone else notice a trend whilst playing FM that no matter what league you are in you will very rarely runaway and win it, there will always be a team who are near or semi near you in terms of points? For example I had a relatively long game running, and worked my way into the championship from the BS. I checked the previous 5 seasons points total to see on average how many points wins the title. At the end of the season I ended up over 100 points which in any of the previous 5 seasons would have been more than enough to be way ahead of the opposition, however I only ended up winning by around 4 points or so. This got me thinking and I checked previous seasons I had played and kinda noticed the same thing. I normally ended up with a large points total that in the vast majority of the previous seasons would have been enough to win hands down but there always seemed to be someone near me.

I've won the premier league in early April in older FMs... There is no conspiracy, unless you're Jesse Ventura:

I've won the Hungarian League by 10+ points (in a 30 match season) several times.

I suspect exactly the same thing, PoolFan. I recently finished second in League 1 with Peterborough on 95 points, with Plymouth finishing on 98 points. The following season, I won the Championship with 101 points, yet was only top by 3 points. I began to wonder at this point whether there is a feature in the game which simply does not permit you to walk the league, but who knows? :-/

Again, I've walked many a league. There is nothing to help the AI there. But hey, believe what you want.

I've won the welsh league 8 times in a row and pretty much every time theres been a 15-30 points difference between 1st and 2nd

The teams behind you don't have to battle all the complacency issues when they have someone to chase- so they'll generally perform better. This is often true of real life- anyone who's ever done athletics knows that you run faster if you're grouped with people who are faster than you, because having something to chase spurs you on.

If you're good enough, or they're bad enough, you can still walk the title most years.

As people have said, there's no conspiracy. Admittedly due to the number of quality teams in the Premier League one team generally does challenge, however isn't that like in real life?

I usually have no problems winning the league by 20-30 points ahead of the competition. If anyhting I find it way to easy to win the league with a large point difference.

Just today I won my league (Hungarian Division I) by a clear 15 points... 25 wins, 5 draws, 0 losses. Just be better than the rest, that's all

A quick look in the Careers forum will show you several people who have been able to dominate their respective leagues. Complancency, and how you deal with it may be the issue.

I dunno if its really a conspiracy.....in my experience, over the last few seasons, I've won the league by 20+ points.

i was starting to feel the same. I have started to challenge for the dutch league with FC Oss. Last year i tallied the record number of points ever for the league, but only won it on the final day! This year though i won the league by 18 points!

It constantly makes me laugh when people come up with this sort of thread. Do you really believe SI have put in a line of code in the game specifically designed to conspire against the user?

Football is a lot more competitive these days than it was in the past. Can you regularly remember teams totally running away with it constantly IRL? In 3 years with Man City I won by 7 points and then 3. With average 29 games played I'm 7 points clear (although I do have 2 games in hand) so I may be able to win by a good margin.

Although if you want to talk about conspiracies take a look at my last4 fixtures and tell me the AI doesn't want me to win....

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Football is a lot more competitive these days than it was in the past. Can you regularly remember teams totally running away with it constantly IRL? In 3 years with Man City I won by 7 points and then 3. With average 29 games played I'm 7 points clear (although I do have 2 games in hand) so I may be able to win by a good margin.

Although if you want to talk about conspiracies take a look at my last4 fixtures and tell me the AI doesn't want me to win....

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LOL good luck with those!

As for my OP, I don't know it seems the better I do in the lower leagues, the more likely there is that a team will be able to stick with me throughout the season and compete. I have seen it on a few occasions with a old Wrexham save. I got something silly like 110 points in league 2, only for another team to get over a 100 also. I checked the history and that hadn't happened ever in the 5 or so seasons I was playing. The same happened when I moved onto the next division, I did really well but yet again another team managed to keep up with me getting more points that season than anyother of the previous seasons.

Most reason EPL season as Liverpool manager I won the league by 22 points. So don't see it as a CONSPIRACY in my saved game

I always thought this was the case in previous FMs, but on this one I rarely find any team has great consistency so you can get clear of the pack quickly. In my recent Man Utd game, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City were all in the bottom half after 7 or so games. Doesn't sound like much, but when I started well (seven out of seven maybe), it means I've virtually won the league already, granted I stay consistent.

Hell, Wolves had 8 wins out of 8 in my current game (I'm in BSS), and they beat the big four in that period. At Christmas they dropped points to Wigan, Stoke etc and they are now 8th. The top of the league is so close though, that if I was managing a team well, I'd be miles clear.

Instead of 'Conspiracy' you could imagine it as an ingame device, designed to keep you interested and offer you some excitement.

Instead of 'Conspiracy' you could imagine it as an ingame device, designed to keep you interested and offer you some excitement.

...which doesn't exist...

These threads are stupid. It's a computer game, not a 1960's grassy knoll.

...or is it?

...which doesn't exist...

Well done.

Well done.

Well done what?

You stated it's not a conspiracy, just a secret feature that essentially cheats. You offer no proof and somehow expect anyone to listen?

Well done what?

You stated it's not a conspiracy, just a secret feature that essentially cheats. You offer no proof and somehow expect anyone to listen?

Key word, 'imagine'.

Key word, 'imagine'.

Can mean slightly different things in different contexts. I see your point though.

Considering I just won the league by 14 points. No.

These threads are stupid. It's a computer game, not a 1960's grassy knoll.

That's right, there are no conspiracies in this game.

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Well, I recently won a 26 game league (Chinese 1st division) by at least 15 points (I know it was that when I won it with 4 games to spare, and I won those four so it might've been more...), so...nope.

If anything, the opposite is true, AI teams struggle to really put together great runs of form. The subsequent season in the Super League, I was top with two games to play (I ended up blowing it and finishing third), despite having dropping points in over a third of my games - the AI teams had several chances to run away with the league, but none of them could keep their form up for more than 3-4 games at a time.

I won League 2 with Hereford in my first season with 8 games to spare....

it's your tactics!

I've noticed that points total for the top 3 or so in the league your playing in is quite often a lot higher than in other leagues you have running but are not competing in. I.e. you play in England for 5 years and the top 3 teams have 85+ points (for example) and you look at Germany, Spain, Italy and the top 3 get consistently 70-75 points (again example), then you move to Germany and all of a sudden the top 3 average 80ish and the English top 3 points total drops off.

What I am trying to say is that it appears that the league you are playing in sees the stronger teams picking up higher points totals than the league you are not participating in. I always assumed this was because of the level of detail... i.e. the game is making more "effort" to crunch stats and be realistic in your league than in those other leagues that are running, but you aren't participating in.

I see what the OP is saying.

But it could just be that if you are finding it easy to pick up points, then another team may find it just as easy to pick up points.

The same could be said for struggling to pick up points and have a really tight league with everyone beating each other.

This isn't a troll, I am just curious.

Anyone else notice a trend whilst playing FM that no matter what league you are in you will very rarely runaway and win it, there will always be a team who are near or semi near you in terms of points? For example I had a relatively long game running, and worked my way into the championship from the BS. I checked the previous 5 seasons points total to see on average how many points wins the title. At the end of the season I ended up over 100 points which in any of the previous 5 seasons would have been more than enough to be way ahead of the opposition, however I only ended up winning by around 4 points or so. This got me thinking and I checked previous seasons I had played and kinda noticed the same thing. I normally ended up with a large points total that in the vast majority of the previous seasons would have been enough to win hands down but there always seemed to be someone near me.

Them pesky 2nd place teams! Always just 1 place behind