ArsenalFan7 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Am I going insane or has the quality of regens decreased on 11.3? The first patch or two were producing some absaloutely incredible regens of all varieties, quite literally the perfect regens intake each year in my opinion, but now I'm not seeing as many impressive regens. So am I just dreaming or have they become worse? In particular I've noticed players with worse physical attributes and higher bracket PA players with much more average attributes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikker Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I agree, the newgen quality seems a bit worse on 11.3. But I find it more realistic now than in 11.2, so I'm not complaining. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArsenalFan7 Posted July 20, 2011 Author Share Posted July 20, 2011 I agree, the newgen quality seems a bit worse on 11.3. But I find it more realistic now than in 11.2, so I'm not complaining. I'm not a fan of these changes, I'm not really getting any amazing players anymore and it makes long term games a lot worse. And seeing as I love long term saves and hate short term saves this is annoying to me. Nothing I can do now though, and no changes will be made Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I think the newgens are really good on 11.3. My Crewe side in 2022 is made up of all newgens plus Jack Wilshere, I have picked up a lot of great players especially attackers if anything the strikers are too good in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArsenalFan7 Posted July 20, 2011 Author Share Posted July 20, 2011 I think the newgens are really good on 11.3. My Crewe side in 2022 is made up of all newgens plus Jack Wilshere, I have picked up a lot of great players especially attackers if anything the strikers are too good in my opinion. Any chance you could post 2 or 3 of the best regens? My last long term save reached about 2028 but I started it in the first patch and it went through all the patches so I didn't experience the 11.3 players in their prime a lot because my save became corrupt and I didn't get far enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Those are my three best I will post the three best in the world, any requests on positions or anything? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArsenalFan7 Posted July 20, 2011 Author Share Posted July 20, 2011 Those are my three best I will post the three best in the world, any requests on positions or anything? Goalkeeper, Winger and Striker please, I'll be honest though they are very good players, maybe I'm being too critical. I think the problem I'm having is adjusting myself to see how good the quality of regens is now because they were so outrageously good before, literally a few Messi class players around at once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4019/bestamc.jpg http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/8329/bestcb.jpg http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5682/bestfb.jpg http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2253/bestgk.jpg http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6497/cucat.jpg I expect better ones to come along, the thing I have noticed is good physical but not top notch mental ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArsenalFan7 Posted July 20, 2011 Author Share Posted July 20, 2011 http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4019/bestamc.jpghttp://img814.imageshack.us/img814/8329/bestcb.jpg http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5682/bestfb.jpg http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2253/bestgk.jpg http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6497/cucat.jpg I expect better ones to come along, the thing I have noticed is good physical but not top notch mental ones. Really good players there, problem has to be adapting to the new quality of the regens for me. Agree however that mentals have always been a problem, I do not seem to recall ever seeing a CB with brilliant mentals and other positions were the same although not to the same degree. Cheers Acid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/6691/bestwinger.jpg http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/9920/bestwinger3.jpg http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/858/bestwinger2.jpg Forgot wingers, they are not as good as the top real wingers though. I actually sold Marcelo for £38 million a couple of seasons a go. There might be a slight difference but it wasn't something I have noticed. There is an abundance of strikers with top physical stats in my save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt123 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I'm fairly early into a save just at the end of March '14 and the regen quality has dipped a bit. I got good regens in the first 2 season but after that I haven't seen any decent ones especially from Brazil where I have the top 2 leagues loaded. Does the quality dip and when does it normally pick up? I know these are randomly generated players so puttin an exact time on when they start getting better is hard but a rough indication would be cool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley21 Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 If anything i reckon regen quality is better since 11.3, in my QPR and Vác saves i've seen a load of incredible kids from all over, most notably Africa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArsenalFan7 Posted July 20, 2011 Author Share Posted July 20, 2011 http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/6691/bestwinger.jpghttp://img705.imageshack.us/img705/9920/bestwinger3.jpg http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/858/bestwinger2.jpg Forgot wingers, they are not as good as the top real wingers though. I actually sold Marcelo for £38 million a couple of seasons a go. There might be a slight difference but it wasn't something I have noticed. There is an abundance of strikers with top physical stats in my save. Still pretty good, not incredible though. I don't like reading that last part though, really makes me worried that in my new long term save I've just started I'll have a game full of poor physical strikers which I could find so easily before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I wouldn't worry too much those are my main four strikers only Dosso is top top class but the others all work well as a unit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArsenalFan7 Posted July 20, 2011 Author Share Posted July 20, 2011 They look good them. Far more realistic I'll admit, more fun though? No.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ego Scriptor Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I wouldn't worry too much those are my main four strikers only Dosso is top top class but the others all work well as a unit. Wow. What's his personality type? The only regen striker I've seen come close to that was a Brazilian in my 11.1 Newcastle save and even he had professionalism issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Wow. What's his personality type?The only regen striker I've seen come close to that was a Brazilian in my 11.1 Newcastle save and even he had professionalism issues. His personality is fairly determined, I have him tutored early in his career to try and change his personality for the better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyosullivan Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I think the regens are good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggusD Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 The regens AcidBurn posted are roughly the quality I have found in my Las Palmas game. The problem isn't that they don't exist, but that they are scattered around the world and not concentrated in a few clubs only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyzer Soze Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 One thing i notice in my long saves (my current save i'm in year 2018, so it's still not a very long save), the best newgens are all from africa. countries like Morrocco, Algeria, Angola, etc are producing top newgens, while for example brazil and especially Argentina are getting very bad newgens. In europe, apart from Italy and perhaps Spain, the quality of newgens are in general, bad. I recently use FMRTE to check the PA of newgens, and came across with this numbers: newgens with PA above 175: 512 From those 512, only 115 had EU nationality. From Brazil: 23 From Argentina: 10 Other South America nationality: 6 For example, Morrocco have 27 newgens with PA above 175, from wich 4 have a PA above 190. dont you think its a bit odd this kind of results? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArsenalFan7 Posted July 20, 2011 Author Share Posted July 20, 2011 Have noticed that, it's a bit weird tbh. Should be more top youth rising from Europe, not Africa! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyzer Soze Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I was wondering if this trend will hold, or if there will be changes in next decade. One effect of this is that the 2018 world cup final was between Brazil and Morocco. Brazil won 2-1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I've seen a bunch of quality regens. I don't they have decreased, they have in certain countries though I guess, with Republic of Ireland being ranked 100, 14 places below Pakistan who are all greyed out.. this is in 2022. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Right, then. Strap yourself in for the newgen ride of your life. Here we go GK http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/222670_10150605256200268_607000267_18281880_5374006_n.jpg http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/251558_10150622241120268_607000267_18443956_441648_n.jpg http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/254905_10150622241210268_607000267_18443957_6108523_n.jpg DC http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/228535_10150605256035268_607000267_18281876_1917737_n.jpg http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/225412_10150579662480268_607000267_18104285_5038681_n.jpg http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/228523_10150579662530268_607000267_18104286_5257909_n.jpg http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/251469_10150632953255268_607000267_18572791_4989134_n.jpg http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/250208_10150632953525268_607000267_18572799_7834206_n.jpg http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/228396_10150567643990268_607000267_17959780_1928253_n.jpg F http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/228476_10150579662370268_607000267_18104284_3271425_n.jpg http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/230750_10150579662590268_607000267_18104287_7160873_n.jpg http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/249610_10150622240995268_607000267_18443953_767399_n.jpg http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/253753_10150632953945268_607000267_18572807_2084586_n.jpg M http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/225165_10150605255245268_607000267_18281856_2040147_n.jpg http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/227440_10150605255795268_607000267_18281870_5617622_n.jpg http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/230274_10150579662155268_607000267_18104280_5138325_n.jpg http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/222940_10150605255860268_607000267_18281872_5278828_n.jpg http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/228510_10150605255925268_607000267_18281874_3906856_n.jpg http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/251464_10150623258690268_607000267_18456444_2200990_n.jpg http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/248582_10150632953370268_607000267_18572795_1963311_n.jpg http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/251753_10150632953750268_607000267_18572803_4710503_n.jpg http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/222270_10150567645075268_607000267_17959795_1307559_n.jpg http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/227282_10150567645805268_607000267_17959802_8166430_n.jpg http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/216271_10150567646705268_607000267_17959816_6282371_n.jpg W http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/231020_10150579662065268_607000267_18104278_6941501_n.jpg http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/225316_10150579662105268_607000267_18104279_23026_n.jpg http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/255079_10150623258200268_607000267_18456429_4154358_n.jpg http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/254075_10150623258245268_607000267_18456432_4957580_n.jpg http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/222942_10150567642525268_607000267_17959756_3179207_n.jpg ST http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/230025_10150605254855268_607000267_18281847_6392706_n.jpg http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/228055_10150605254930268_607000267_18281849_2110337_n.jpg http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/228015_10150605255690268_607000267_18281867_2183081_n.jpg http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/222380_10150605255720268_607000267_18281868_7300102_n.jpg http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/225755_10150605255820268_607000267_18281871_7778429_n.jpg http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/250239_10150622239915268_607000267_18443933_4656774_n.jpg http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/228396_10150567643975268_607000267_17959777_2770081_n.jpg I think that'll do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coentrao Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I don't have a problem finding good regens (if anything i think there are too many top regens and not enough "average" ones) though i normally have a hard time finding tall DMC's.. most of them seem to be midgets.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Though I do think Regen quality is fine. I do have a problem finding world class CM's. I find world class DMC and AMC and a whole host of players who are natural in both positions but rarely any that are natural as a CM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ego Scriptor Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Though I do think Regen quality is fine. I do have a problem finding world class CM's. I find world class DMC and AMC and a whole host of players who are natural in both positions but rarely any that are natural as a CM. I suspect the dramatic drop in the average human height circa 2012 has something to do with the massive epidemic of teenage baldness. Nuclear war? Invasion of mole people? Whatever the cause, Football Manager hints at a truly dire, terrifying fate for our species, though nothing quite as terrifying and dire as the fate it always seems to predict for Stoke City. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiitastic Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 this 1 came into the game at Real Madrid at the start of the current season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some Guy! Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 In terms of just kids from the latest patch: Some young players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teej9 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 That guy in the screeny has 62 goals and 112 assists in 44 matches! sweet hell he not even very good! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 That guy in the screeny has 62 goals and 112 assists in 44 matches! sweet hell he not even very good! You can do fun things by playing around with match condition using FMRTE during a match... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiitastic Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 That guy in the screeny has 62 goals and 112 assists in 44 matches! sweet hell he not even very good! He will turn out to be a superstar by his mid 20's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiitastic Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 You can do fun things by playing around with match condition using FMRTE during a match... That is very much correct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some Guy! Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 He's paid more than my best player!! Then again, my squad is on stupidly low wages. Then again I pay them more in massive signing on fees and bonuses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jozza800 Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I think the overall quality of regens has dipped a little, but it makes it alot more realistic. There are still plenty of quality players kicking about of the 2nd tier players and fewer top tier (Messi, Ronaldo) players. Which is how it should be. The spread of the good regens is however a little off. The dutch produce horrible youngsters. The spanish, english and italian youngsteres probably arent as good as they should be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 He's paid more than my best player!!Then again, my squad is on stupidly low wages. Then again I pay them more in massive signing on fees and bonuses. Probably best not to look through my screenshots then... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ego Scriptor Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 The issue with regens is that the "player development templates" are still a little out of whack so the regen system is really inefficient. When you start the game, nearly all good to great players have more or less neutral-to-great personalities and the best youngsters (Ramsey, Wilshere, Shelvey, Lukaku, Hazard, etc.) all have great personalities. With regens, however, having a lot of potential doesn't mean you also have even an okay personality, and many regens in the -9/-10 range are total psychopaths with personalities you would normally only find at the lowest basement leagues before regens come into play. To make up for this, SI appears to have greatly increase the proportion of players with very high PA's among regens. Based on statistics I've seen posted here and on other sites, each year is likely to produce something like 1-to-3 players with Messi-levels of potential. However, since there's a good chance that those players will have horrible personalities or show up at clubs/academies that are very difficult to scout without using third-party utilities, they usually just wallow in obscurity and max out at some tiny fraction of their potential. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggusD Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Uploaded with ImageShack.us If you have 3-4 players with 1-star CA and 3+ star PA in the U19 team, they usually dominate their league extremely. It is quite possible that young Luis there's accomplishment is genuine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 If you have 3-4 players with 1-star CA and 3+ star PA in the U19 team, they usually dominate their league extremely. It is quite possible that young Luis there's accomplishment is genuine. Except for being rubbish and in the first team. And having FMRTE open is a big clue too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some Guy! Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 Probably best not to look through my screenshots then... Yeah, but at least most of them are really quite good! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 I don't even have the most expensive paid guy on there. I had one DM on £275k because he was the only great DM in the game at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some Guy! Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 The most I've ever payed for a player is £105k a week... Once a player wants more than that I generally just sell them. On my Honvéd game I point blank refuse to sign players when they're payed over £5k (at the time), meaning I spend most of my time signing 15-18 year olds and a lot of African players. I then make sure I keep the wages down as much as possible, and because nobody is really being payed that much its fairly controlled. The overall wage increases about 5-10% a year though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArsenalFan7 Posted July 23, 2011 Author Share Posted July 23, 2011 Ok, so I've just gone on genie scout (I know it's virtually cheating but I wanted to get a general idea of how good the top PA regens who are already in my game could be) and I checked out a few regens already in my game with high PA's, I found this guy who is 195 PA (highest so far) andas you can see he is rather pathetic. Now I don't know how accurate these utility scouts are but i'm fairly certain they give you a pretty good estimate as to what the player will be like at peak, now if this is anywhere near correct how on earth is this a 195 PA player? Looks like a decent player to me but not the sort of player who would be at Messi's PA. This is the thing that I'm worried about, I am fearing that now players who have really high PA's are going to be extraordinarily average like so. Or am I wrong here and is it just that Genie scout is giving me a horrid estimate? Out of curiosity, is there anyway I can revert to a previous patch and then potentially return at some point? This really is bugging me that I'm going to have pathetic long term save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 I don't use genie scout or have any real understanding of the numerical CA/PA, but a player hitting his PA of 195 at the age of 17 sounds very dodgy. I'm pretty sure 195 is supposed to be fairly outstanding, he looks far from that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArsenalFan7 Posted July 23, 2011 Author Share Posted July 23, 2011 I don't use genie scout or have any real understanding of the numerical CA/PA, but a player hitting his PA of 195 at the age of 17 sounds very dodgy.I'm pretty sure 195 is supposed to be fairly outstanding, he looks far from that. Sorry, Dafuge I should have mentioned I hit the "Show Potential Attributes" button, I believe it's supposed to give you the idea of how good a player will be at peak, I've never been able to truly know just how accurate it is however. If it is accurate though, I am worried at his quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Genie Scout doesn't accurately model the increase in mental attributes as a player ages. He'll be a lot better than that. The main reason he's not technically great is a) really high attributes in the heaviliy weighted winger attributes and b) A higher than average ability in both feet. He will be an absolute world beater, guaranteed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some Guy! Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Ackter is right. After I got well and truly bored on older versions I messed about with old saves and looked through how players progressed. I'd find players of mine when they were young (16-18) and compare what it thought they'd be to what they became in the game, and the result was surprising. They were in all cases far and away better players. I concluded 3 things from those tests: 1. Genie Scout's modelling of player development only takes into account CA weighted attributed (some mental stats don't hold a CA weighting) 2. It's only a guess and so players can develop differently (in most cases in a more balanced way) 3. Players will almost universally be better than they are predicted to become I'll do the same come November on my current save, and in truth after this it'll be interesting to see when the "best players" were produced on my save and how they developed. Also, that Makengo player will fairly beastly when he's fully developed. What's his off the ball now though, you'd want to train him individually on off the ball if it's low. Get that up, tutor him and his mental attributes will shoot up. I'd also point out that I feel scouting tools are actually quite poor tools, especially in the hands of someone who doesn't understand how the system works correctly. That is, some people fall into the trap of; "197 PA!!!, this guy's the new Ronaldo!!1!" You can have high CA/PA players who are rubbish and low CA/PA players who are fantastic. The system is basically just the way the game models and limits the potential of infinite development under the hood, and sometimes looking at isn't the best way to go (hence the PA system arguments that went on around here before the forums went down). My greatest ever player had a CA of 182 (in FM08) at his peak and a PA of 187, whilst I had several players of over 190 CA in that version. Don't fall in the CA/PA trap. But no, that kid you've posted could make a good player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArsenalFan7 Posted July 24, 2011 Author Share Posted July 24, 2011 Genie Scout doesn't accurately model the increase in mental attributes as a player ages. He'll be a lot better than that.The main reason he's not technically great is a) really high attributes in the heaviliy weighted winger attributes and b) A higher than average ability in both feet. He will be an absolute world beater, guaranteed. Ackter is right. After I got well and truly bored on older versions I messed about with old saves and looked through how players progressed. I'd find players of mine when they were young (16-18) and compare what it thought they'd be to what they became in the game, and the result was surprising. They were in all cases far and away better players. I concluded 3 things from those tests:1. Genie Scout's modelling of player development only takes into account CA weighted attributed (some mental stats don't hold a CA weighting) 2. It's only a guess and so players can develop differently (in most cases in a more balanced way) 3. Players will almost universally be better than they are predicted to become I'll do the same come November on my current save, and in truth after this it'll be interesting to see when the "best players" were produced on my save and how they developed. Also, that Makengo player will fairly beastly when he's fully developed. What's his off the ball now though, you'd want to train him individually on off the ball if it's low. Get that up, tutor him and his mental attributes will shoot up. I'd also point out that I feel scouting tools are actually quite poor tools, especially in the hands of someone who doesn't understand how the system works correctly. That is, some people fall into the trap of; "197 PA!!!, this guy's the new Ronaldo!!1!" You can have high CA/PA players who are rubbish and low CA/PA players who are fantastic. The system is basically just the way the game models and limits the potential of infinite development under the hood, and sometimes looking at isn't the best way to go (hence the PA system arguments that went on around here before the forums went down). My greatest ever player had a CA of 182 (in FM08) at his peak and a PA of 187, whilst I had several players of over 190 CA in that version. Don't fall in the CA/PA trap. But no, that kid you've posted could make a good player. Brilliant, cheers you two I never knew that before and was really worried those would turn out to be the results, I won't buy this kid though as I was only using Genie to see what the quality would be like, from now on though I'm going to return to using no Genie whatsoever as it's only making me fear for my long term saves. fwiw though I do understand how a player Best Rating is more important than a players PA, I generally deceive higher PA players as the Messi's etc though. :thup: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggusD Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Does Genie scout include tutoring into its model? Could make a world of difference if a supertalent with poor ambition, for example, got to be taught by a good tutor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chochip Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 I'm only into 2016 but these are my 3 best regens. They're pretty much already world class. I've checked their PA in hindsight but they weren't that extremely high. Around 175-180ish. I usually only go with 3.5 or 4 star PA with at least 1 star CA. The in game scout is actually better at judging relevant potential rather than just raw PA numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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