Zenit signing black players

we all know there is an unwritten rule for Zenit that they will never sign a black player, there was uproar when the korean was signed.

So why in game do they always sign Brazilians and French players?

Afraid SI doesn't support any sort of racist behaivour... And that well qualifies as one.

(and before anybody mentions the supported At.Bilbao, they have a couple africans in their youth team right now)

because FM is not racist and will not in anyway support any kind of racist action like that.

Zenit fans should be locked away for being disgusting people.

Wow, I did not know this.

But this game is supposed to be realisitic and true to life?

It's just the same as Athletic not signing non basque players

But this game is supposed to be realisitic and true to life?

It's just the same as Athletic not signing non basque players

Racism should not be included no matter how realistic it is. Zenit should be banned for this and the club shut down, its disgusting and unacceptable in todays world.

People being Basque and coloured people are two completely different things.

It's not Zenits fault, they just know the fans will riot if they sign a black player so they tell managers not to.

Why do you think there are no Brazilians there like with all other russian clubs?

Racism should not be included no matter how realistic it is. Zenit should be banned for this and the club shut down, its disgusting and unacceptable in todays world.

People being Basque and coloured people are two completely different things.

Shut the club down ? now that's stretching it just a bit too far I would think.

Shut the club down ? now that's stretching it just a bit too far I would think.

I just dont think that racism of that sort should be allowed in football full stop, maybe shutting the club down is too much but there should be very severe pelanties for stuff like what happened to Roberto Carlos the other week.

Its maybe not Zenit's fault but only they can do anything about it, but they have not, up till recently this kind of racist behaviour was accepted.

How they got a world cup is beyond me.

SI are against racism with the whole 'Kick racism out of the game' slogans that pop up.

Hell would freeze over before they put this into the game.

But this game is supposed to be realisitic and true to life?

It's just the same as Athletic not signing non basque players

As I pointed out, it's hardly racism when they have black players on Lezama. is it? =)

I don't exactly like what they do, but in the latest years, they've taken a change from "basque players" to "players formed in the basque country".

Lool this thread actually made me laugh, it is a point though, because although Bilbao have this as a written rule it is still restricting other ethnic races from joining them so that can be applied to Zenit. They are a disgrace to football

One of the reasons Russia should have never been awarded the World Cup.

How in the hell could SI actually implement that in the game?

I just dont think that racism of that sort should be allowed in football full stop, maybe shutting the club down is too much but there should be very severe pelanties for stuff like what happened to Roberto Carlos the other week.

Its maybe not Zenit's fault but only they can do anything about it, but they have not, up till recently this kind of racist behaviour was accepted.

How they got a world cup is beyond me.

With all the racism going in Russia and especially in their league... I can't understand how on earth Fifa rewarded them with the World Cup. Fifa are full aware what's going on there.

I just dont think that racism of that sort should be allowed in football full stop, maybe shutting the club down is too much but there should be very severe pelanties for stuff like what happened to Roberto Carlos the other week.

Its maybe not Zenit's fault but only they can do anything about it, but they have not, up till recently this kind of racist behaviour was accepted.

How they got a world cup is beyond me.

I was thinking a fine and if they don't change then possibly banned from European competitions

This thread being created is more ludicrous than the unwritten rule itself.

the thread is not ludicrous, it is a good point IMO

I don't know how FIFA, with all their anti-racism schemes in place, can allow this sort of thing to happen.

Agreed, Andre Bikey had to leave Russia because of fear of being attacked in the streets by racist thugs

I was thinking a fine and if they don't change then possibly banned from European competitions

will a fine to Zenit make that much difference?

For what happend to Carlos i would shut the stadium down for a few games, if it happens again then close it indefinately. It sound very harsh but this kind of behaviour should not in anyway be tolerated in anyway.

the thread is not ludicrous, it is a good point IMO

its not a good point at all, this is asking why SI has no introduced racism into an FM game, which has nothing at all to do wtih the situation relating the Basque players and Athletico.

But it a question, he not doing it to cause arguments, it is a genuine question

And it's a question that shouldn't need to be asked.

That is your opinion

And it should be the opinion of everyone.

No-one should need to ask why racism isn't in the game.

would you want them to incorprate racism into an FM game?

Would you stop it at colour or would you have them go further, like religion?

No one should be remotely interested in what colour of players Zenit are producing or buying.

I didn sayr acism should be incorporated into the game, I am saying he is free to express his opinion because many people know they are a racist club but are unsure whether it si a written or unwritten rule

you cannot have a written rule that your club is not allowed to have black players, even the farse that is FIFA would ban that, or prevent the club taking part in any of its official comps.

Its simple equality, things people should be very aware of.

I know but it is a hidden written rule, it will not ever happen

I find it amazing how people are trying to justify the whole Bilbao-Basque situation yet hammering Zenit.

Racism doesn't only apply to white on black or skin colour in general for that matter. It's no different to if Newcastle said they wont sign "southerners" or Plymouth saying the wont sign "northerners". It's all racist, it's all wrong and SI shouldn't tip-toe around the subject. If you want realism introduce the Zenit situation to the game, if you want to kick racism out of football remove the Basque only situation. You can't have your cake AND eat it.

That is your opinion

I too would have thought it was clear why racism isn't in any CM/FM games. Just like when you see in the news of players in the past having heart attacks during matches/tournaments, yet you wouldn't see that ever happen in the game either

The Basque-policy is a statement of heritage.

It wouldn't be a problem if Zenit only played Russians, for example.

The reason they don't sign black players is plain and simple racism.

I find it amazing how people are trying to justify the whole Bilbao-Basque situation yet hammering Zenit.

Racism doesn't only apply to white on black or skin colour in general for that matter. It's no different to if Newcastle said they wont sign "southerners" or Plymouth saying the wont sign "northerners". It's all racist, it's all wrong and SI shouldn't tip-toe around the subject. If you want realism introduce the Zenit situation to the game, if you want to kick racism out of football remove the Basque only situation. You can't have your cake AND eat it.

If I manage Atletico, I sign anyone I want, the club doesn't stop you signing anyone you want and it shouldn't

The Basque-policy is a statement of heritage.

It wouldn't be a problem if Zenit only played Russians, for example.

The reason they don't sign black players is plain and simple racism.

It's still wrong to me, you can make that argument for Zenit. It's heritage because that skin colour isn't native to that region... I'm not saying it's as bad i'm just saying it's still wrong... just like the homegrown rules.

The Basque policy from Athletic is absolutely ridiculous. How have they got away with it for so long?

We will only sign players born in a specific area

We will only sign players based on the colour of their skin

One of those is definitely racist, the other is as good as.

It's still wrong to me, you can make that argument for Zenit. It's heritage because that skin colour isn't native to that region... I'm not saying it's as bad i'm just saying it's still wrong... just like the homegrown rules.

The choice isn't because they want to maintain their heritage, its based on the idea that black people are inferior.

The choice isn't because they want to maintain their heritage, its based on the idea that black people are inferior.

Oh I see they want to create a master race of footballers... sounds familiar to the argument of some old Austrian guy...

Godwin's law - close thread.

The Basque-policy is a statement of heritage.

It wouldn't be a problem if Zenit only played Russians, for example.

The reason they don't sign black players is plain and simple racism.

I agree with this. Actually, I'm managing Zenit right now. I think I might give up.

I don't know how FIFA, with all their anti-racism schemes in place, can allow this sort of thing to happen.

Yeah, they should force Zenit to sign at least 5 black players and field them every match.

No it's about Fifa telling the Russian federation that racism won't be tolerated. There's clearly a racism problem in eastern European football.

Zenit should be banned from competing in FIFA competitions.

I agree with this. Actually, I'm managing Zenit right now. I think I might give up.

Lol, don't let it put you off, just their idiotic fans, the shame is really that they are a brilliant team

I don't know how FIFA, with all their anti-racism schemes in place, can allow this sort of thing to happen.

What are they gonna do?

Force a black player upon them? Have a black player quota?

What are they gonna do?

Force a black player upon them? Have a black player quota?

Ban them, and any other club found guilty of such obvious racism.

It's still wrong to me, you can make that argument for Zenit. It's heritage because that skin colour isn't native to that region... I'm not saying it's as bad i'm just saying it's still wrong... just like the homegrown rules.

It's not heritage though, I mean, black people have been in britain for centuries in large numbers, ever since the time of empire and everything, while it's true russia didnt have it quite the same as that, despite their hope of "empire" there's still bound to be some black people who have lived in russia a long time, and if there really isnt as they've all been scared off, then that'd be just wrong. It's still "native" either way if they've grown up there and were born there.

As for basque, nothing wrong with what they do in my eyes. It's just like if say cardiff or some lower club like Newport made the decision to only play welsh players, no one'd hate them for that, it'd just be regarded as personality.

To clarify, Athletic have a full black player in their team called Jonas Ramalho, but it is ebcause he is from the Basque area, so black people can play for Bilbao

You are quite amazing people, after centuries of genocide in Africa, India and China, annihilation of Yugoslavia, ongoing manslaughter in Afganistan, Iraq and Lybia, yet you enjoy Russophobia talk on the false pretenses of racism in a country with 190 different nationalities and ethnic groups.

"Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise." (Thomas Gray, 1742)

FYI

1. Official statement - Zenit against racism.

2. Club initiative against racism (photos)

3. Players initiative against racism (videos)

doesnt change the fact that the fans are racist, it is no false pretence, there are many racists in Russian football