Sheva Elite Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Pros Quick Can pass Technique Decent positional sense Cons No creativity/decisions, so no assists. No anticipation or marking so not great defensively Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva Elite Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 He does have about 30 more points of CA left as well actually. It's shame I can't channel that into creativity Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braundjoh Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Best place to ask would be here... http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/231684-FM11-Official-Rate-My-Regen-Thread/page6 He looks good, but I've definitely seen better. He is only right footed, and his high passing and technique is somewhat spoilt by his low creativity and awful flair. He wouldn't be a great anchorman due to low marking and average tackling. That said, he probably has the potential to become a good player, and he obviously has very good physicals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggusD Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 He would work fine in my tactic, if he improved in tackling and positioning (which I believe he likely would), since my two defensive midfielders does not need much creativity, and marking is zonal. His physique would be worth it alone - but that being said, it all depends on how amazing your squad is! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Personally I would say no. Pace is important in other positions but midfield is the place you can don't need it. Lacks flair/creativity to be an attacking midfielder while lacks tackling to be a defensive one. Overall he seems to be jack of both trades, master of none. He could be a decent squad player but I don't think he has enough to be a first choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seann94 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 He does have about 30 more points of CA left as well actually. Whats CA? How you know how much he has left? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidmonkey Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Whats CA? How you know how much he has left? CA is current ability and will have had to look at a 3rd party program like FMRTE or genie scout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva Elite Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 Whats CA? How you know how much he has left? It's basically his Level if you was to compare to other RPG type games. He is at about 130 at the moment. And his maximum is about 160. The maximum for anyone is 200. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Personally I would say no.Pace is important in other positions but midfield is the place you can don't need it. Lacks flair/creativity to be an attacking midfielder while lacks tackling to be a defensive one. Overall he seems to be jack of both trades, master of none. He could be a decent squad player but I don't think he has enough to be a first choice. This. He reminds me a lot of Jermaine Jenas in this way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangelito Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 I would retrain him into a FB/WB. That pace would come in handy there, and the position is not in need for so much flair or creativity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidmonkey Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 i kinda agree as his other main stats would be usefull as a full back/wing back just train his tackling up a bit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elland road boo boys Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 i kinda agree as his other main stats would beuysefull as a full back/wing back just train his tackling up a bit And the marking!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidmonkey Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 And the marking!!! that too but his technique, passing and pace all lend themselves to a full back in my opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayahr Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Not good enough Firstly,his overall attributes are too low for an absolute top end side. He's still quite young, so he could still develop, but he really should. Secondly, his attributes do not match the criteria for any specific midfield role. For a defensive outlook he lacks marking and teamwork and for an offensive one, his flair and creativity are abysmal. This I'm afraid you'd never get ironed out by training. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio MVP Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Not ATM. He lacks Marking, Tackling, Team Work for MCd or DM. He could use a bit increase in Positioning, Strength, Anticipation and Concentration. He is good now and could be very good, but not top player. I say give him chance until he is 24 and then see how he developed and decide to keep him or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 If he's injury-prone and inconsistent, you might have mistaken him for Abou Diaby... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidmonkey Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 i agree he wont be a world beater but with the stats he has id use a full-back role for him as i can see it working his tackling is important but i always found not as important at FB/WB and you could increase the tackling enough to be good as a full back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBKalle Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Wow... Another case of "absurd newgen model", probably the most brilliantly awful since the "striker who can't score" one. Seriously, no youth team coach with an ounce of competence would have trained this guy into a DMC/CM... no way... Any academy at decent level would have retrained him as wide player... He isn't driven enough to be a new Gattuso, he lacks creativity so he can't be a new Pirlo/Seedorf... he's nor fish nor fowl, a walking (more like running...) contradiction with positive and negative traits that should actually be more linked together... He has high Determination, but sub-par Teamwork, worldclass Technique but average First Touch, high Aggression/Bravery but terrible Tackling/Marking... I don't get how such huge differences are possible... I mean, if you have brilliant technique there's no way you're banana-footed when it comes to trap a ball. And if you're brave and aggressive but don't care about the teammates, what are you pressing and tackling for? Just because it's fun?! I really really hope SI will take a serious look to those improbable newgens, so next year we can finally stop worrying about terrible newgen models such as the "right arrow DM/CM", the "dick striker", the "soupbowl forward"... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 RBKalle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stemlfc65 Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Possibly a wide midfielder? I'm not sure, he seems to be like a jack of two trades, master of none. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva Elite Posted April 19, 2011 Author Share Posted April 19, 2011 Wow...Another case of "absurd newgen model", probably the most brilliantly awful since the "striker who can't score" one. Yeah, when I first saw him as a 17 year old, I thought I was onto a winner. I didn't look at his stats in too much detail. I just YES, he is quick and he can pass. We'll take that. Now he has come all lopsided. DR does look like the best idea though. Might just try and convert him. Although I have another regen DR who is younger and already better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 yeah i would re-train as a full back and use him there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cragswfc Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 yeah i would re-train as a full back and use him there. i was thinking that, but he could be used as a back up midfielder as he lacks team work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdanio Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 by 24 that guy will be a world beater. forget perfect attributes for positions - how does he play? and if you know his PA, why do you need to ask if he's good enough? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 by 24 that guy will be a world beater.forget perfect attributes for positions - how does he play? and if you know his PA, why do you need to ask if he's good enough? yeah to be honest your right with what you say, looking at him again he is young enough and good enough to slot into centre mid, like you say if he plays well then the stats dont really matter that much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 by 24 that guy will be a world beater.forget perfect attributes for positions - how does he play? and if you know his PA, why do you need to ask if he's good enough? I completely agree. If my coaches rate a player and he does well on the pitch then I don't really look at his attributes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
W I L M Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 Wow...Another case of "absurd newgen model", probably the most brilliantly awful since the "striker who can't score" one. Seriously, no youth team coach with an ounce of competence would have trained this guy into a DMC/CM... no way... Any academy at decent level would have retrained him as wide player... He isn't driven enough to be a new Gattuso, he lacks creativity so he can't be a new Pirlo/Seedorf... he's nor fish nor fowl, a walking (more like running...) contradiction with positive and negative traits that should actually be more linked together... He has high Determination, but sub-par Teamwork, worldclass Technique but average First Touch, high Aggression/Bravery but terrible Tackling/Marking... I don't get how such huge differences are possible... I mean, if you have brilliant technique there's no way you're banana-footed when it comes to trap a ball. And if you're brave and aggressive but don't care about the teammates, what are you pressing and tackling for? Just because it's fun?! I really really hope SI will take a serious look to those improbable newgens, so next year we can finally stop worrying about terrible newgen models such as the "right arrow DM/CM", the "dick striker", the "soupbowl forward"... Made me chuckle lol It all depends on how you use those last 30 CA points Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheva Elite Posted April 27, 2011 Author Share Posted April 27, 2011 To be fair, he does deserve a chance. Always the best player when out on loan. Although I'm not sure if processed performances translate to good performances for a human player. Still only 21 too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndias Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 I am no attributes expert, but I would say that if you can raise is tackling and anticipation he can be a hell of a ball wining midfielder. Great physical presence, quick, determined, brave. Although he is very limited when with the ball so he must win it and have a simple clear passing option or he will most likely lose it again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAF_85 Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 GThe only thing I Would be wary about is his one footedness, and his reliance on his right foot, because of that the weighting might appear to favour him, statswise. it will be best to compare with a player in a same position Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wen1234 Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 IMO definitely not going to make it at a top team. As stated by others earlier he doesn't fit any role. 30 more points of CA might make him decent but it won't make him great - he just has too many weaknesses and it's impossible to funnel all the CA left to specific stats. No guarantee he'll max out his PA either. If you're a top team with decent money you can easily find a better player. 160 CA players with poor stat distribution can't cut it at a top team. 180 CA with bad stat distribution OR 160 CA with good stat distribution, sure. I suggest loaning him out for a couple more years and sell on for a profit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdanio Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 Are you expecting an AR of >8? This kid (he is still very young) has achieved great ratings out on loan. If you don't give this guy a chance what are you looking for? A team of >180 CA wonderkids?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellandroader82 Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 I think he would be a good complement to a "hard" defensive midfielder, the sort that can win the ball just ahead and distribute it to feet of one of the nearby attacking players (David Batty springs to mind). Not a man marker and definitely not a player to fit into 4-4-2 as an anchor man for example but in a 4-2-3-1, I think he would do well. I'd have him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelicanstuff Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 Yes, he looks better overall than any defensively-minded 20 year old CM in the starting database (apart from maybe M'Vila). Yet another example of overpowered regen syndrome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezeman Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 This might be a bit far fetched, but I would try to retrain him as a winger. If you manage to improve his crossing he could be lethal in a tactic with a midfielder giving through passes to him. His pace would make him very hard to stop for any fullback, especially if you play a counterattacking style. I currently have a young striker in my Ajax side that I am retraining as a winger because his finishing and composure suck but he has great pace and acceleration. As a winger he constantly outpaces defenders and gets set up by throughballs from my midfield players. Just noticed he's also great at heading, could make him even more dangerous if he cuts inside on crosses from the opposite wing on counter attacks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 160 CA player with that attribute spread is a backup player at a top team, leading star at a mid team. He'd have been retrained as a DR as soon as he got into my team though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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