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mrdanbartlett
11-04-2011, 18:23
Ok I'm always annoyed with the dividends payment at the end of each season, as I run a tight ship and this always seems to cancel out the majority of any profit I make. Are there any clubs in the game that don't have shareholders taking a payment every year you make a profit?

Biscotti
11-04-2011, 18:44
A shareholder is a person who has invested money into the club with the intention of then benefiting from when (if) the club makes a profit. Therefore, if you're making a profit the shareholders will indeed be payed that profit.

If you want to avoid it, you have to find a club that is not a PLC.

mrdanbartlett
11-04-2011, 18:58
Yes I appreciate the reason for it..........in summary my question was which clubs are not PLC's then? I thouight maybe all owners took money in the form of dividends?

is there a list anywhere?

Born2killzone
11-04-2011, 19:07
Lower league clubs usually arent but will turn into them when they get bigger. So even if you find one thats not it probably wont last long if you have success.

Football Manager.
11-04-2011, 19:24
nearly any sugar daddy team would not be PLC. Manchester city chelsea ect so if there have been any recent takeovers in your save check them out you might find a few clubs

mrdanbartlett
11-04-2011, 19:39
Ok cool, thanks.

PS - great username :)

ac13
11-04-2011, 19:48
Hoffenheim have a sugar daddy...they might be fun.

acidmonkey
11-04-2011, 20:08
and a stadium bigger than the town;s population :) (i dont know why but i love that)

mrdanbartlett
11-04-2011, 21:07
How do I check if the club is a PLC or other?

AndyPass
12-04-2011, 00:17
Are Chairmen still eligible to receive a dividend? On a previous FM I managed Forest who weren't a Public Company and didn't have any shareholders. However, the Chairman took a dividend at the end of each season.

It put me off running a profit to be honest. You may aswell spend every penny in your transfer budget.

Coentrao
12-04-2011, 00:45
On Spain i think that Barcelona,Real Madrid and Atl.Bilbao are still in the control of the "supporters" all the other teams are now PLC's.

bigdanio
12-04-2011, 11:26
Evian in France Ligue 2.

You can grow them into a top, top side.

x42bn6
12-04-2011, 18:46
Are Chairmen still eligible to receive a dividend? On a previous FM I managed Forest who weren't a Public Company and didn't have any shareholders. However, the Chairman took a dividend at the end of each season.

It put me off running a profit to be honest. You may aswell spend every penny in your transfer budget.

The chairman is elected by the board to "lead" the board and represent its shareholders, and as a result, the chairman may have ownership of the club via shares, so yes, he could be entitled to a dividend.

Even non-PLCs sometimes pay dividends, and sometimes PLCs don't pay dividends, investing it all back into the club. Arsenal, for example, are a PLC (strictly-speaking, Arsenal Holdings plc is) but have paid no dividends for a while; Manchester United are owned by the Glazers (strictly-speaking, a myriad of holding companies) but the Glazers are entitled to take out a dividend.

sjm
12-04-2011, 18:59
As x42bn6 says, the owner can still pay himself from the profit even if the company isn't listed. After all, if you own it, you can do whatever you want with the money.

The easiest way to avoid dividend payments is to not make a profit.

x42bn6
12-04-2011, 19:01
As x42bn6 says, the owner can still pay himself from the profit even if the company isn't listed. After all, if you own it, you can do whatever you want with the money.

The easiest way to avoid dividend payments is to not make a profit.

That seems rather extreme!

Sir_aLex
12-04-2011, 19:13
Hoffenheim have a sugar daddy...they might be fun.

i thought they did but he's not exactly the citeh shiek or roman ambramovich!

infact, he's very tight...

mrdanbartlett
12-04-2011, 21:23
Ok if anyone can post up clubs who you have managed and made a good profit each year and have NOT had to pay divdends?

I wonder if this can be changed via FMRTE.

Lenzar
12-04-2011, 23:18
Evian in France Ligue 2.

You can grow them into a top, top side.

Water hard challenge it is to win the CL, though. ;)

andyinuk
13-04-2011, 13:08
Even non-PLC clubs pay out dividends. PLC only means it's publicly listed company. Most of the clubs that I play with pay out dividends at the end of the year when I made profits.

A good thing to do is to use the spare money to do things like renew key players' contract (and offer them high sign on fees to secure it) before the season end, so at least you put those profits into good use

mrdanbartlett
13-04-2011, 21:11
Annoying though as its had to save up loads of cash for things like new stadiums and such.

snootyjim
13-04-2011, 21:20
i thought they did but he's not exactly the citeh shiek or roman ambramovich!

infact, he's very tight...

30,000 seater stadiums aren't exactly cheap, you know. Neither was Gylfi Sigurdsson.

SCIAG
13-04-2011, 21:55
On Spain i think that Barcelona,Real Madrid and Atl.Bilbao are still in the control of the "supporters" all the other teams are now PLC's.
Osasuna too.

Ricard78
13-04-2011, 22:51
Every team in the game pays a shareholder dividend at the end of the Season. Im unsure as to why SI have never sorted this. Maybe its a way to keep the games financials in check.

In reality Steve Gibson the Middlesbrough chairman does not take a penny from the club, he actually offsets any debt against his private companies.
Barcelona dont pay anything as the are fan owned.

Im unsure as to why this has never been corrected, maybe someone from SI can shed some light on the situation.