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Jimbokav1971
04-01-2008, 19:59
There are 5 bits of information contained in the "overall best eleven" screen.

1. The player names on the left hand side.

In my current game it's June 2013 and the supportes have added an ageing centr-half to the list. Fine, he may be old and carp I hear you say, but it's the fans choice and they decide who is and isn't good enough to be in the best eleven. Well that's fine, except the player concerned didn't make a single appearance last season and only made 3 substitute appearances the season before. If we wasn't good enough to be inducted into the overall best eleven at the end of last season, how is he hood enough now seeing as he hasn't played a single game since http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif?

2. The positions that these players can play in, (listed to the right of their name.

The position for players who play in multiple areas of the pitch are listed incorrectly. If the player is able to play AMR, ML & FC then elsewhere in the game, he is listed as AMRL,ST. Not on this page. Now he is given the following positions. AMRLC,FC. Which one is it http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif?

3. The overall club appearances made by each player just to the right of their position.

Now this can't be too hard can it. You just add up the number of times the player hasd played for the club and you stick it in here. The information is already held in the players history page so the information is there already. Wrong.

GK McIlMurray. 173 appearances made.
best eleven says that he has played 172.

DL McMillen. 141 appearances made.
best eleven says that he has played 136.

DR Ciaran. 124 appearances made.
best eleven says that he has played 112.

DC Whiteside. 82 appearances made.
best eleven says that he has played 70.

DC Doherty. 143 appearances made.
best eleven says that he has played 104.

I could continue to go through every player currently in the best eleven. Every single one has the wrong appearance information.


4. The overall club goals scored by each player just to the right of their appearance record.

Now this is the same as the appearances but it's even easier isn't it because there isn't as much informationn to store. The information is there on the player history screen Wrong.

GK McIlmurray. Goals scored 43.
best eleven says that he has scored 43.

DL McMillen. Goals scored 5.
best eleven says that he has scored 4.

DR Ciaran. Goals scored 4.
best eleven says that he has scored 3.

DC Whiteside. Goals scored 6.
best eleven says that he has scored 4.

DC Doherty. Goals scored 3.
best eleven says that he has scored 0.

I could go on. The GK information is the only one that is correct.

Now before you say it, it's not because either they or I have or haven;t included cup competitions or substitute appearances or anything else. The information is just plain wrong.


5. The graphical representation of your starting line-up, shown as a "tactic screen" on the right hand side of the page.

Now we've got to be on a winner here haven't we. What can possibly go wrong with this bit. You get a list of all the players that have played in each position and then the computer works out which the fans wany to have as it's favourite based on whatever it wants really. It can't go wrong can it? Yes it can.

Doherty, *who you see used as an exemple in points 3 and 4), well he's been selected at centre-back by the fans. seems ok, we already know that he's played, (unlike the old centre-back who has been recently added to the squad), and he's even scored 3 goals, (or 0 goals depending on where you look), so it's all good isn't it. No. The problm is that the player is actually a DR who can also play DM. I am attemting to retrain him to play MC, (but being the prima dona he is, he is unhappy about it). My point is that not only is DC not listed as one of his positions, he has NEVER featured there for me. Never!

So to clarify....

Just about every piece of information that is shown on my "overall best eleven" screen is a complete fabrication and bears little or no resemblance to events that actuallt occurred in my game.

This was my favourite part of the game until I stumbled upon this. I'm really not a happy Statto http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

Jimbokav1971
04-01-2008, 19:59
There are 5 bits of information contained in the "overall best eleven" screen.

1. The player names on the left hand side.

In my current game it's June 2013 and the supportes have added an ageing centr-half to the list. Fine, he may be old and carp I hear you say, but it's the fans choice and they decide who is and isn't good enough to be in the best eleven. Well that's fine, except the player concerned didn't make a single appearance last season and only made 3 substitute appearances the season before. If we wasn't good enough to be inducted into the overall best eleven at the end of last season, how is he hood enough now seeing as he hasn't played a single game since http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif?

2. The positions that these players can play in, (listed to the right of their name.

The position for players who play in multiple areas of the pitch are listed incorrectly. If the player is able to play AMR, ML & FC then elsewhere in the game, he is listed as AMRL,ST. Not on this page. Now he is given the following positions. AMRLC,FC. Which one is it http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif?

3. The overall club appearances made by each player just to the right of their position.

Now this can't be too hard can it. You just add up the number of times the player hasd played for the club and you stick it in here. The information is already held in the players history page so the information is there already. Wrong.

GK McIlMurray. 173 appearances made.
best eleven says that he has played 172.

DL McMillen. 141 appearances made.
best eleven says that he has played 136.

DR Ciaran. 124 appearances made.
best eleven says that he has played 112.

DC Whiteside. 82 appearances made.
best eleven says that he has played 70.

DC Doherty. 143 appearances made.
best eleven says that he has played 104.

I could continue to go through every player currently in the best eleven. Every single one has the wrong appearance information.


4. The overall club goals scored by each player just to the right of their appearance record.

Now this is the same as the appearances but it's even easier isn't it because there isn't as much informationn to store. The information is there on the player history screen Wrong.

GK McIlmurray. Goals scored 43.
best eleven says that he has scored 43.

DL McMillen. Goals scored 5.
best eleven says that he has scored 4.

DR Ciaran. Goals scored 4.
best eleven says that he has scored 3.

DC Whiteside. Goals scored 6.
best eleven says that he has scored 4.

DC Doherty. Goals scored 3.
best eleven says that he has scored 0.

I could go on. The GK information is the only one that is correct.

Now before you say it, it's not because either they or I have or haven;t included cup competitions or substitute appearances or anything else. The information is just plain wrong.


5. The graphical representation of your starting line-up, shown as a "tactic screen" on the right hand side of the page.

Now we've got to be on a winner here haven't we. What can possibly go wrong with this bit. You get a list of all the players that have played in each position and then the computer works out which the fans wany to have as it's favourite based on whatever it wants really. It can't go wrong can it? Yes it can.

Doherty, *who you see used as an exemple in points 3 and 4), well he's been selected at centre-back by the fans. seems ok, we already know that he's played, (unlike the old centre-back who has been recently added to the squad), and he's even scored 3 goals, (or 0 goals depending on where you look), so it's all good isn't it. No. The problm is that the player is actually a DR who can also play DM. I am attemting to retrain him to play MC, (but being the prima dona he is, he is unhappy about it). My point is that not only is DC not listed as one of his positions, he has NEVER featured there for me. Never!

So to clarify....

Just about every piece of information that is shown on my "overall best eleven" screen is a complete fabrication and bears little or no resemblance to events that actuallt occurred in my game.

This was my favourite part of the game until I stumbled upon this. I'm really not a happy Statto http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

Ackter
04-01-2008, 20:02
Bugs forum?

ismstockport
05-01-2008, 02:19
Your Goalkeeper scored 43 in 173 games???

McDoul
05-01-2008, 02:23
Screenies and SaveGame in the bugs forum then?

sergent21
05-01-2008, 02:27
I have never noticed this. I am coming to the end of my current season, so I will check and see if mine is the same.

I, like you Jimbo, really liked this feature thinking it was a nice touch and could really add something to the game, but if this is the case, just seems to be pointless if its not incorperated properly.

McDoul
05-01-2008, 02:33
Not much time for SI to fix it either hence my desire to see it slapped boldly down in the bugs forum.

Quite liked this.

robin_trott_hoof
05-01-2008, 02:34
Also, if you only use one keeper all season, your sub keeper isn't named. That makes sense.

But it tends to pick a random youngster with one sub appearance in his place rather than the back-up player who has started 5 games and came on another 10 times.

Jimbokav1971
05-01-2008, 03:05
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ismstockport:
Your Goalkeeper scored 43 in 173 games??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes. Penalties and free-kicks and 1 from open play.

Jimbokav1971
05-01-2008, 03:07
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by McDoul:
Screenies and SaveGame in the bugs forum then? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've posted the details and offered to upload either pics or save-games.

To be honest though, I haven't had any response to the last few bugs I posted and the offers of games to be uploaded have passed without comment.

Jimbokav1971
05-01-2008, 03:08
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by McDoul:
Not much time for SI to fix it either hence my desire to see it slapped boldly down in the bugs forum.

Quite liked this. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wasn't joking. I flippin loved this feature.

I posted in the bugs forum last night before I posted this.

McDoul
05-01-2008, 03:09
They'll be all over it come Monday... I'd imagine they had a 2 week breather it being xmas and all

Jimbokav1971
05-01-2008, 03:09
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by robin_trott_hoof:
Also, if you only use one keeper all season, your sub keeper isn't named. That makes sense.

But it tends to pick a random youngster with one sub appearance in his place rather than the back-up player who has started 5 games and came on another 10 times. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

My sub keeper is named.

He played 6 or 7 games about 4 seasons ago and is still in there and I guess he always will be until McIlmurray gets injured or suspended and I have to play someone else.

chelsea_pumas
05-01-2008, 03:22
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">3. The overall club appearances made by each player just to the right of their position.

Now this can't be too hard can it. You just add up the number of times the player hasd played for the club and you stick it in here. The information is already held in the players history page so the information is there already. Wrong.

GK McIlMurray. 173 appearances made.
best eleven says that he has played 172.

DL McMillen. 141 appearances made.
best eleven says that he has played 136.

DR Ciaran. 124 appearances made.
best eleven says that he has played 112.

DC Whiteside. 82 appearances made.
best eleven says that he has played 70.

DC Doherty. 143 appearances made.
best eleven says that he has played 104.

I could continue to go through every player currently in the best eleven. Every single one has the wrong appearance information.


4. The overall club goals scored by each player just to the right of their appearance record.

Now this is the same as the appearances but it's even easier isn't it because there isn't as much informationn to store. The information is there on the player history screen Wrong.

GK McIlmurray. Goals scored 43.
best eleven says that he has scored 43.

DL McMillen. Goals scored 5.
best eleven says that he has scored 4.

DR Ciaran. Goals scored 4.
best eleven says that he has scored 3.

DC Whiteside. Goals scored 6.
best eleven says that he has scored 4.

DC Doherty. Goals scored 3.
best eleven says that he has scored 0.

I could go on. The GK information is the only one that is correct.

Now before you say it, it's not because either they or I have or haven;t included cup competitions or substitute appearances or anything else. The information is just plain wrong. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's probably because the appearences and goals are only counted up to the time the player enters the 11. If a player entered it after playing 34 games, it wouldn't be updated from that point.

Jimbokav1971
05-01-2008, 03:30
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">It's probably because the appearences and goals are only counted up to the time the player enters the 11. If a player entered it after playing 34 games, it wouldn't be updated from that point. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're not right, sorry.

It gets updated every season.

aaberdeenn
05-01-2008, 03:38
I've only had one game that's gone on into the second season, but I'll be sure to look out for this in the future. http://community.sigames.com/customicons/icon14.gif

Lyvean
05-01-2008, 03:46
So, another bug then??

What the hell? Nothing works in this year's FM???

Jimbokav1971
05-01-2008, 03:49
I've got to admit, nobdy else has read this, gone and checked there game and come back to say that it's happened in there too.

Maybe I'm just Mr Unlucky http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

Jimbokav1971
05-01-2008, 03:49
their game http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif.

aaberdeenn
05-01-2008, 03:53
To be honest, you're quite unique in the way you seem to play. Most people wouldn't spend more than a couple of minutes looking at this screen never mind noticing something as big as this.

VonBlade
05-01-2008, 04:01
1) I've definitely had this. I've had complete numptys inducted into my B11, years and years after they stopped playing.

3 and 4) Yep. You also get this with Caps. FM just can't do basic math. I've had lots of players become the most capped player for England, yet they've appeared between 2 and 7 times less than it claims. But it definitely happens in the B11.

5) Yep got this too. Had all sorts of players moved into positions they just don't play in.
VB

Jimbokav1971
05-01-2008, 04:03
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by aaberdeenn:
To be honest, you're quite unique in the way you seem to play. Most people wouldn't spend more than a couple of minutes looking at this screen never mind noticing something as big as this. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The main reason I noticed it was because it said that my DR/DM hadn't scored and I remembered his goal for the club because it took him 4 years to score it.

When I checked his and it was wrong I went and checked the others.

I am a bit of a statto when it comes to stiff like this though.

aaberdeenn
05-01-2008, 04:19
I do know what you're like when it comes to this game and stats though. http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

nick...
05-01-2008, 05:30
I can't check my best 11 because my game doesn't have that feature (du to being old)

It does look like 3 & 4 are connected, and there's a certain set of performances that are being missed out.

It recognises almost all of McIlMurray's appearances, and all of his goals.

It misses off the largest numbers of Docherty's appearances and also the largest number of goals (both in real terms and percentage wise)


It is maybe worth investigating if it is matches missing for the whole team, or random performances being missed out.

Could you check to see if Docherty's 3 goals were in a match that McIlmurray was also playing in.

If he has scored goals in 2 or more matches with McIlmurray then it is definately not certain matches not being counted that is the problem,

However if all his goals were scored while McIlMurray wasn't playing, then it is much more likely that some particular matches aren't being counted. If you spot any links between the matches the 3 goals were scored it, this may also help identify this.

Jimbokav1971
05-01-2008, 05:54
I've tried and tried and tried and tried to work it out but nothing makes sense.

1. McIlmurray started and finished every game last season (43).

2. Doherty scored 3 goals last season, (1 league & 2 cup).

3. Dohert's 2 cup goals came in different matches.

4. We won the league so it's not playoff games that are causing this.

Ther is just no making sense of it.

nick...
05-01-2008, 06:19
Did Doherty play for the full 90mins for the games he scored in?

I would expect your keeper to play in all of every match which would explain why his stats are almost accurate.

If you can be bothered to post up the rest of the list, then i'll see if anything else comes to mind.

Jimbokav1971
05-01-2008, 06:43
God I'm stupid http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif.

I've been assuming all this time that it's this years figures that are somehoe wrong. It's quite possible that they've been wrong for years and I just didn't notice.

I'll go back and have a look.

dafuge
05-01-2008, 06:44
Just an idea for the positions thing, I've had a look at mine and one of my players had an extra position which did not appear on his profile. I remember him playing in this position for me a few times during an injury crisis, could that be what is causing it?

Jimbokav1971
05-01-2008, 06:55
Well Doherty never played DC at any point during the season.

If you mean the way that the positions are listed, I don't think so.

It's as if the game decides that the player can play in midfield and on the right hand side because he can play MR, and the came decides he can play in the centre and up front because he can play ST. As it seems to have clarified already that he can play in midfield, (MR) and he can play centrally, (ST), then he can play in the MC position because he can play both centrally and in midfield. That's what it looks like to me anyway because it has done the same thing for a player who can play DR/DM.

SamCCFC
05-01-2008, 07:42
Where do I find the 'Overall Best Eleven' Screen? :S

postal postie
05-01-2008, 07:51
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jimbokav1971:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ismstockport:
Your Goalkeeper scored 43 in 173 games??? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes. Penalties and free-kicks and 1 from open play. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

that's an amazing conversion rate of free kicks and penalties.

i have stevie g taking all attacking freekicks to the left of the area and penalties.
pander takes the free kicks on the right of the area.
they dont get anywhere near scoring a gaol every 4 games between them from dead ball situations.

Jimbokav1971
05-01-2008, 08:23
SamCCFC. Club history and then best eleven is the 2nd option from the bottom. That will give you the most recent reasons best eleven, then you use the filter in the top right corner to select overall best eleven.

postal. I'm playing in N.Ireland where the standard is shocking. He hasn't had good stats for pen taking or free-kicks. I think that in FM08 some of the hidden stats are of FAR more importance than such stuff as penalties and composure.

nick...
05-01-2008, 09:08
Any answer for:

Did Doherty play for the full 90mins for the games he scored in?

Sorry to pester, but I think this may be it. It explains why your goalie is missing the least data, and Doherty's missing the most (as you're playing him as DM/MC).

Oktober
05-01-2008, 10:51
I had one of these, after my third season in the Premiership three random players appeared in the overall best 11 that I'd sold on previously.

I think I worked out why though - players who were previously on the list who I'd been playing regularly have had their average rating dropped due to the higher standard of competition. Someone who got 7.5 in the Championship, then moved to a bigger club then goes back on for someone who got 7.6 in the Championship, then 6.7 in the Prem to bring their average down, meaning an older player holds the better average.

You're playing in Northern/or Ireland, are you not? So would the all-Ireland cup maybe be playing havoc with the appearances then? The FAW Cup for me is making adding up overall appearances awkward.

Jimbokav1971
05-01-2008, 10:57
Doherty goal 1. League game. He came on as a sub in the 64th minute.

Doherty goal 3. Cup game. He came on as a sub in the 72nd minute.

Doherty goal 3. Cup game. He came on as a sub in the 72nd minute.

So does that mean that any data for a substitute appearance is not included http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif?

The goals you score don't count if you score them after coming on as a sub.

It looks like you might be right http://community.sigames.com/customicons/icon14.gif.

Jimbokav1971
06-01-2008, 12:37
Is this happening to anyone else or is it just my game?

NepentheZ
06-01-2008, 12:49
It's happened in one long term save game (Carshalton), but i assumed it was my adding errors, http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif , so just ignored it. In my current game (5 years in), there seems to be no problem, however i will keep a close eye on it and keep you updated.

When i had an error with stats, i uploaded my game, and an SI bod told me it was an "internal miscalculation" to do with the save game, and nothing wrong with FM.

My problem there was every game, the Pre-Match milestones always had 1 forward as being "2 goals aways from... a) being the club's all time leading goal scorer (he was around 130 goals away from doing this) and b) reaching 75 career league goals (he had about 37/38 IIRC.

So perhaps jimbo, the coding in the games gets messed up at some point, and ruins some stats in this way.

Jimbokav1971
07-01-2008, 05:45
I haven't noticed the pre-match milestones, and to be honest, I'm not surprised that this got through testing unnoticed.

Only someone as anally statto as me would add up the figures to make sure that they agree http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif.

dudester
07-01-2008, 05:51
In my game I now find that players seem to get picked in wrong position my AMC gets picked as the overall best ever DMC in the history of the club.

My striker picked in CM as well.

!Steve1977
07-01-2008, 12:05
how do u get to this feature?

Jimbokav1971
07-01-2008, 12:23
dudester. The testing team are looking at it now.

Steve. After you have completed your first season, go to club history, go to the bottom option, click on that, and then change the annual filter in the top right hand corner to "overall".

You must have completed at least 2 season though.

Jimbokav1971
07-01-2008, 12:24
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You must have completed at least 2 season though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

1 season. Sorry.

PhroX
07-01-2008, 12:41
Well, the players being in the wrong position always seems to happen in the "team of the week" (back in '07 I had a regen striker who could also play DC. He was the leagues top scorer for a couple of seasons and made the TotW pretty much every time. As a center half.) so I'm not suprised it's happening on best 11.

Jimbokav1971
07-01-2008, 12:51
Phrox. Yeah, but in the example that you've given, the St could actually also play as a DC. What we are talking about here is that a player is selected in a position that he is unable to play in.

DR/DM selected at DC.

MR/SC selected at MC.

Do you see the difference?

Simon Tipple
11-01-2008, 09:26
This has happend because you have sold the players in question before the Best 11 is calculated.

The games is checking the current squad and updating the Best 11 with their stats. As the players in question have left the club their stats aren't used.

The code will have to be improved to check these players seasonal stats.

Jimbokav1971
11-01-2008, 09:41
Si BHA. That's a VERY strange thing for you to say.

Doherty doesn't sign for anyone.

He's still at the club today on 3rd March 2014.

I think the Chairman must have accepted a bid for him between the save I sent you and the date at which you ran it forward to to produce the best eleven.

As for this also being the case with the other players I have mentioned, only Whiteside has been sold so how can this affect anyone else http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif?

Simon Tipple
11-01-2008, 09:53
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jimbokav1971:
Si BHA. That's a VERY strange thing for you to say.

Doherty doesn't sign for anyone.

He's still at the club today on 3rd March 2014.

I think the Chairman must have accepted a bid for him between the save I sent you and the date at which you ran it forward to to produce the best eleven.

As for this also being the case with the other players I have mentioned, only Whiteside has been sold so how can this affect anyone else http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I holiday'd your game to the date the Best 11 is generated and a large number of players had been sold.

Doherty's stats in the Overall Best Eleven are correct as of the 2012 Best Eleven. So it seemed likely that this was the cause. I'll take another look at this (and prevent him leaving).

Jimbokav1971
11-01-2008, 10:12
I am receiving about 5-6 bids per day for players. If you holiday rather than respond with a ridiculous price, then they will make a bid and the Chairman will accept the bid as we are o/d.

I have to manually respond to each enquiry or bid that is made, otherwise they will all be sold, (but that's a whole different matter in a whole different thread).

Jimbokav1971
11-01-2008, 10:22
If it's any use to you, all 3 of Doherty's goals that season, (none of them were counted in the best eleven stats), were scored after coming on as a substitute.

JAStewart
11-01-2008, 10:46
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jimbokav1971:
In my current game it's June 2013 and the supportes have added an ageing centr-half to the list. Fine, he may be old and carp I hear you say, but it's the fans choice and they decide who is and isn't good enough to be in the best eleven. Well that's fine, except the player concerned didn't make a single appearance last season and only made 3 substitute appearances the season before. If we wasn't good enough to be inducted into the overall best eleven at the end of last season, how is he hood enough now seeing as he hasn't played a single game since http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Isn't is your ALL time best eleven?

Jimbokav1971
11-01-2008, 10:54
Yes, it is the ALL TIME best eleven.

My point is that is he wasn't good enough to make it into the ALL TIME best eleven 2 years ago, then I doubt that 3 substitute appearances would have got him in there the following year, (not surprisingly it didn't), but the following year, he had somehow done enough to change their minds without playing a single minute of a single game.

DO you see what I mean?

soundian
11-01-2008, 11:01
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jimbokav1971:
I am receiving about 5-6 bids per day for players. If you holiday rather than respond with a ridiculous price, then they will make a bid and the Chairman will accept the bid as we are o/d.

I have to manually respond to each enquiry or bid that is made, otherwise they will all be sold, (but that's a whole different matter in a whole different thread). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't want to hijack the thread but I read somewhere that if you set his asking price to £0 and "reject all offers" they'll never make an offer your board consider worth accepting.

Jimbokav1971
11-01-2008, 11:32
But as I'm considerably overdrawn, I don't want to reject all offers. I just want to reject the offers below a certain level. Once they meet that level, then I want to be able to accept the deal and say thanks very much.

Jimbokav1971
11-01-2008, 11:35
Sorry, didn't explain that well. It's not just about the bids made or the initial fee involved.

These players are young and I will be selling them to bigger clubs, so I want a percentage of any future sale.

A bid of £250,000 is good and is in the ball park of what I would accept, but I would bite the hand of someone who offered me £200,000 + 50% of re-sale value and a friendly.

I still haven't explained that well. Sorry.

CoachFlu
11-01-2008, 14:44
I replied this in the bug thread as well:

Just had a closer look at mine. (counted their appearances)

A few of the players in my Overall Best Eleven have slightly wrong appearances listed as well.

It looks like entire seasons are ignored for the best eleven numbers (seasons in which the player didn't play much).

For example, the right back listed in my overall best eleven was a regular first team player for five seasons, and made 9 appearances in his sixth season. His Best Eleven appearances are 9 short.

Hence, my strong suspicion: The number of appearances in the Overall Best Eleven equals the number of appearances of all the seasonal Best Elevens added up.
So if a player made a few appearances in a season, but not enough to get him in the Seasonal Best Eleven, those will be ignored. (which they shouldn't be, of course)

Not entirely certain that this is it, but it adds up for the handful of players I've checked in my game so far.

Jimbokav1971
11-01-2008, 16:30
I've just looked at Doherty in my save and I'm afraid it doesn't quite work for him, although I think you are correct in as much as that if a player is in the annual best eleven and then is no longer in it then the league stats for the season when he is no longer in the annual best eleven will not be included.

With regards to Doherty, (the only player that I have looked at in such great detail), games played while on trial & penultumate seasons substitute appearances also seem to be the cause of this.

In order to chech it 100% I will have to go through the other players though http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif.

I saw your comment in the other thread by the way. Thanks http://community.sigames.com/customicons/icon14.gif.

chopper99
12-01-2008, 02:17
Just checked mine (I'm in 2016 with Gateshead).

Although all the goals scored seem to be correct I've definitely noticed a problem with players being put into weird positions in the overall best 11. I had a player who played for my team in a couple of early seasons and the positions he was listed as being able to play in were ML, AML and FC. He mostly played for me at ML but was occasionally used as a striker. He also left the club 5 years ago.

However, he's listed in my overall best 11 as my best ever defensive midfielder. This is very strange as firstly this player cannot play in defensive midfield and has never, ever played in defensive midfield for me (and I've played the same formation for every single season).
Secondly I've had plenty of defensive midfielders who've performed very well in that position so it's strange that a left winger should be chosen there. Particularly a left winger who was never really that good and left 5 years ago. Last season my on-loan defensive midfielder was excellent yet hasn't made my all time best 11.

Simon Tipple
14-01-2008, 07:33
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CoachFlu:
I replied this in the bug thread as well:

Just had a closer look at mine. (counted their appearances)

A few of the players in my Overall Best Eleven have slightly wrong appearances listed as well.

It looks like entire seasons are ignored for the best eleven numbers (seasons in which the player didn't play much).

For example, the right back listed in my overall best eleven was a regular first team player for five seasons, and made 9 appearances in his sixth season. His Best Eleven appearances are 9 short.

Hence, my strong suspicion: The number of appearances in the Overall Best Eleven equals the number of appearances of all the seasonal Best Elevens added up.
So if a player made a few appearances in a season, but not enough to get him in the Seasonal Best Eleven, those will be ignored. (which they shouldn't be, of course)

Not entirely certain that this is it, but it adds up for the handful of players I've checked in my game so far. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is it. The Overall Best Eleven is only taking the stats from the Seasonal Best Eleven. So if the player doesn't perform well enough to get into the Seasonal Best Eleven his Overall Best Eleven will appear incorrectly.

Simon Tipple
17-01-2008, 03:58
The Overall Best Eleven only takes into account the Seasonal Best Elevens. So you shouldn't expect the player statistics in the Overall Best Eleven to take into account his complete record. This could be changed in the future to include stats from season's when the player isn't in the Seasonal Best Eleven although it would take more time to process and slow the game down.

Hogg's induction into the Overall Best Eleven wasn't quite true. He was already in the Overall Best Eleven. The reason he was apparantly reinducted was because he changed into a player/coach in betweens seasons and this caused an error in the news item.

Jimbokav1971
17-01-2008, 04:18
Thanks for that Si http://community.sigames.com/customicons/icon14.gif. I know it wasn'r easy to work out http://community.sigames.com/customicons/icon14.gif.

It's just my opinion but I think that if the "overall best eleven" feature is in the game to stay then it should include his overall performances. To only include a players performances in years when he was selected in the "seasonal best eleven" makes it worthless in my view.

If the processing takes too long then it should be scrapped, but I would like to see it remain, just not in it's current format.

Thanks again http://community.sigames.com/customicons/icon14.gif.

chopper99
17-01-2008, 05:09
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Si BHA:
The Overall Best Eleven only takes into account the Seasonal Best Elevens. So you shouldn't expect the player statistics in the Overall Best Eleven to take into account his complete record. This could be changed in the future to include stats from season's when the player isn't in the Seasonal Best Eleven although it would take more time to process and slow the game down.

Hogg's induction into the Overall Best Eleven wasn't quite true. He was already in the Overall Best Eleven. The reason he was apparantly reinducted was because he changed into a player/coach in betweens seasons and this caused an error in the news item. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Have you had any luck figuring out whay players are being put in strange positions in the overall best 11?

Phippsy
17-01-2008, 06:16
There is no way your goalkeeper scored 43 goals in 173 appearances, provide screenies if you are not lying?

xouman
17-01-2008, 07:21
Of course he's not lying, just he let his keeper taking penalties and free kicks http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Church
17-01-2008, 07:26
Having followed Jimbo's tales for years (well it seems like years anyway), I tend to believe him. http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
He likes to try his goalies on penalties and free kicks. This time he has got one that seems successful.

Church
17-01-2008, 07:32
As for proof of Jimbo's expoits, see this thread (http://community.sigames.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5402079792/m/1622053653?r=1522092473#1522092473)

Simon Tipple
17-01-2008, 07:58
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chopper99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Si BHA:
The Overall Best Eleven only takes into account the Seasonal Best Elevens. So you shouldn't expect the player statistics in the Overall Best Eleven to take into account his complete record. This could be changed in the future to include stats from season's when the player isn't in the Seasonal Best Eleven although it would take more time to process and slow the game down.

Hogg's induction into the Overall Best Eleven wasn't quite true. He was already in the Overall Best Eleven. The reason he was apparantly reinducted was because he changed into a player/coach in betweens seasons and this caused an error in the news item. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Have you had any luck figuring out whay players are being put in strange positions in the overall best 11? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I haven't had any examples good enough to deem fix worthy. So if you could upload your example to the FTP it would be interesting to look at.

chopper99
17-01-2008, 08:27
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Si BHA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chopper99:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Si BHA:
The Overall Best Eleven only takes into account the Seasonal Best Elevens. So you shouldn't expect the player statistics in the Overall Best Eleven to take into account his complete record. This could be changed in the future to include stats from season's when the player isn't in the Seasonal Best Eleven although it would take more time to process and slow the game down.

Hogg's induction into the Overall Best Eleven wasn't quite true. He was already in the Overall Best Eleven. The reason he was apparantly reinducted was because he changed into a player/coach in betweens seasons and this caused an error in the news item. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Have you had any luck figuring out whay players are being put in strange positions in the overall best 11? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I haven't had any examples good enough to deem fix worthy. So if you could upload your example to the FTP it would be interesting to look at. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, will do when I get a chance. Hopefully tonight http://community.sigames.com/customicons/icon14.gif

ViG1980
17-01-2008, 10:47
A friend of mine pointed out that the stats counted int he Best Eleven are only for the seasons where he is in the best 11.

If he played 3 years before getting into it, those stats are not counted.

Meitheisman
18-01-2008, 21:37
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Vig2001:
A friend of mine pointed out that the stats counted int he Best Eleven are only for the seasons where he is in the best 11.

If he played 3 years before getting into it, those stats are not counted. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That friend would be me http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif