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lpool14
16-02-2011, 16:10
i did ask it in the editors hideaway but no one has answered i want to know whether anyone has a database with him in it.

milnerpoint
16-02-2011, 16:14
no, he is too young to be included in FM. I dont think SI encourage people to make databases involving kids under 16 when the season starts as its illegal to publish details of said kids.

lpool14
16-02-2011, 16:22
ah right ok well can anyone suggest the stats i should give him so i can create him for my game

Eugene Tyson
16-02-2011, 16:22
This is just a legal issue in regards to working laws in countries. He should be in the next patch though - hopefully as he is 16 now.

milnerpoint
16-02-2011, 16:26
i dont think he will be there until FM12 to be honest, he is not 16 when the season starts and they would have to input his actual date of birth which at the start of the game makes him too young to be included.
I dont know if anyone could suggest stats, has anyone really seen him play many games? You could ask in the liverpool data thread, just be careful those guys will bite your head off unless you ask very nicely and put your points across properly!

Eugene Tyson
16-02-2011, 16:27
Here's some links to make you judge for yourself

http://www.offthepost.info/2011/02/video-raheem-sterling-scores-five-for-liverpool-in-fa-youth-cup/


http://qprreport.blogspot.com/2010/02/fulham-hope-to-pip-arsenal-to-sign-qprs.html

- Lightning-quick striker Sterling, who turned 15 on December 8, is an England Under-16 international.

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/raheem-sterling/steckbrief/spieler_134425.html

Date of birth: 08.12.1994
Age: 16
Nationality: - England
Position: Striker - Wing
Foot: both
Market value: unknown

wally13
16-02-2011, 16:28
Ha hes gone with liverpool team today for there europa game as hes on half term :D

Eugene Tyson
16-02-2011, 16:30
i dont think he will be there until FM12 to be honest, he is not 16 when the season starts and they would have to input his actual date of birth which at the start of the game makes him too young to be included.
I dont know if anyone could suggest stats, has anyone really seen him play many games? You could ask in the liverpool data thread, just be careful those guys will bite your head off unless you ask very nicely and put your points across properly!

He had a class game against Southend the other night. I think he play both wings or up front, and his pace is likened to Walcott, with finishing traits of Rooney.

There is a video of him on Soccer AM at QPR too

http://www.empireofthekop.com/anfield/?p=11935


Lots of vids

http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=EQQ&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=raheem+sterling+youtube&revid=1215561853&sa=X&ei=c_tbTcyyK8GGhQeJ4pCzDQ&ved=0CIsBENUCKAA#q=raheem+sterling+youtube&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=i5k&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=ivnso&source=lnms&tbs=vid:1&ei=fvtbTb_BLZG1hAfC-83EDQ&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=3&ved=0CA4Q_AUoAg&fp=f60efc51e1747c2c

Eugene Tyson
16-02-2011, 16:31
Ha hes gone with liverpool team today for there europa game as hes on half term :D

Daily Mirror reports he might even get his game! http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-Midfield-starlet-Raheem-Sterling-could-become-their-youngest-ever-player-at-16-years-79-days-in-Europa-League-away-leg-against-Sparta-Prague-article699251.html


But it is the Daily Mirror

milnerpoint
16-02-2011, 16:33
i very much stand corrected then!! hopefully you can make a good decision based on the videos, cant watch them at work but ill give them a wee glance when i get home

Eugene Tyson
16-02-2011, 16:36
Well if others post up what they think the stats should be and CA and PA.

You can weed out the messers by removing the highest and lowest numbers in the stats - then just average the numbers out for whatever stats people recommend.


That could be a good starting point.

lpool14
16-02-2011, 17:00
ok then thanks i was thinking a PA of maybe -9 CA 86 what do you reckon is that reasonable

Indi75
16-02-2011, 17:03
Just keep an eye on Nik33's FM11 Data Packs (http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/233364-Nik33-s-FM11-Data-Packs) - he's got it sorted.

Suzie MUFC
16-02-2011, 17:10
He should be in this one: http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/232779-Forbsies-2011-Database

lpool14
16-02-2011, 17:18
just downloaded and checked it he is not in that one

SCIAG
16-02-2011, 18:45
ok then thanks i was thinking a PA of maybe -9 CA 86 what do you reckon is that reasonable
I imagine he'll be a -9, because of his ability and club.

As for CA, I'd compare with other young players at Liverpool. I don't think he's very physically developed yet, so 86 might be a bit high (physical attributes need a lot of CA), but I'm just estimating at present. Is Suso in the game at present? If so, I'd give him a similar CA to Suso.

On another note, I'm very pleased that this thread hasn't gone the way of most of this nature (declaring Sterling to be the best thing since sliced bread).

(-CGS-) | FM Legend
16-02-2011, 19:11
He was in one of my games :S He had a PA of 180 and his crossing was on 20 or so and his pace was on 20!!! I'll post a screenshot soon....

stevie_G_32201
16-02-2011, 19:15
Sterling is in the database created by LFC marshal located in the sticky in editors forum.

Sir_aLex
16-02-2011, 19:23
just watched a few vids on the kid and he looks decent! beware though, youtube could make you want to sign me and being super talented at 16 doesnt mean he will be a superstar at the next level!

stevie_G_32201
16-02-2011, 19:25
just watched a few vids on the kid and he looks decent! beware though, youtube could make you want to sign me and being super talented at 16 doesnt mean he will be a superstar at the next level!

dont worry, im not a fan of youtube videos either, but the kid is a genunie talent, granted im a liverpool fan but that doesnt change anything the kid will be brilliant.. you dont play like this with luck. http://www.thisisanfield.com/2011/02/16-year-old-sterling-in-liverpool-squad/

Sir_aLex
16-02-2011, 19:36
dont worry, im not a fan of youtube videos either, but the kid is a genunie talent, granted im a liverpool fan but that doesnt change anything the kid will be brilliant.. you dont play like this with luck. http://www.thisisanfield.com/2011/02/16-year-old-sterling-in-liverpool-squad/

yeah he does look very good...

but i have to say, my best mate at the age of 15 was, as someone said, the best thing since sliced bread (not the same type of player as this raheem guy) and got offered contracts from every prem team at 17 and played at every england youth level bar u21's...yet he never really progressed (21 now)...however he is starting to carve out a name for Yeovil at the minute!

plus ive spoken to a pro scout on youth and he said its not hard to find 'the next messi' and they pretty much find one every week...but 90% of the time they have already peaked (through lack of effort etc)

but this kid does look quite promising, lets just hope he has got his head on straight!

SCIAG
16-02-2011, 20:33
yeah he does look very good...

but i have to say, my best mate at the age of 15 was, as someone said, the best thing since sliced bread (not the same type of player as this raheem guy) and got offered contracts from every prem team at 17 and played at every england youth level bar u21's...yet he never really progressed (21 now)...however he is starting to carve out a name for Yeovil at the minute!

plus ive spoken to a pro scout on youth and he said its not hard to find 'the next messi' and they pretty much find one every week...but 90% of the time they have already peaked (through lack of effort etc)

but this kid does look quite promising, lets just hope he has got his head on straight!
Who is your friend?

ReggaeBwoy
16-02-2011, 20:47
Listen, Raheem is a brilliant player but he will not be in this FM as it is a rule not to have schoolboys in the game, he is still in Year 11, unless this rule is changed he will not be in it. Next year is a defo do and believe me Raheem will be brilliant prem player. He has been playing with people triple his age groups throught his life

SCIAG
16-02-2011, 20:56
He has been playing with people triple his age groups throught his life
Hyperbole is the best thing ever :thup:

Born2killzone
16-02-2011, 21:15
Weird rule. It never used to be like that. You could have 13 year olds a few year back. I wonder why.

milnerpoint
16-02-2011, 21:18
you can have 13 year old regens because they are not real, in the UK you cannot publish details of anyone under the age of 16.

Suzie MUFC
16-02-2011, 21:18
Weird rule. It never used to be like that. You could have 13 year olds a few year back. I wonder why.

I think it was a new child labour law that came out in 2007 or something, that people under the age of 16 couldn't be part of something which made money commercially. Something like that, anyway.

I don't believe that can stop unofficial updates having people under 16 in them, as it's just a personal hobby thing.

ReggaeBwoy
16-02-2011, 21:41
Hyperbole is the best thing ever :thup:

No it is not an exaggeration it is true, he was playing for QPR U18 while he was in yr 10, four years below his age group (and scoring) and also scored on his liverpool youth debut last year and he was youngest player on the pitch at 14 and if you see his feet you will know what i'm talkig about. Five goals against Southend and I think if i am right he was the youngest on that pitch but unfortunately no Raheem Sterling on FM 11

ReggaeBwoy
16-02-2011, 21:42
And that rule is so annoying, don't really understand it, just a game where no one is going to look at personal details in a wrong way

milnerpoint
16-02-2011, 21:45
because its the world we live in, i can see the merits but i do agree to a point in this game it wouldnt make a huge difference.

Philip Rolfe
16-02-2011, 21:55
No it is not an exaggeration it is true, he was playing for QPR U18 while he was in yr 10, four years below his age group (and scoring) and also scored on his liverpool youth debut last year and he was youngest player on the pitch at 14 and if you see his feet you will know what i'm talkig about. Five goals against Southend and I think if i am right he was the youngest on that pitch but unfortunately no Raheem Sterling on FM 11

It's actually two years below, Under-18s doesn't start at 18, it typically starts at 16. And it's not actually that unusual for a 14 year-old to be involved at 18s level. It's not common, per se, but I can think of half a dozen off my head who've played at that age this season for a few clubs. I could even name a couple of 13 year-olds from recent years.

ReggaeBwoy
16-02-2011, 22:17
It's actually two years below, Under-18s doesn't start at 18, it typically starts at 16. And it's not actually that unusual for a 14 year-old to be involved at 18s level. It's not common, per se, but I can think of half a dozen off my head who've played at that age this season for a few clubs. I could even name a couple of 13 year-olds from recent years.

No it does not mate and even if it does. Look at the top teams and their under 18s may have a few young ones to make up the numbers but Raheem is definitely doing something rather than making up the numbers. That is a really unfair comment for a guy who is in the squad for the europa league tomorrow. Last year his age group was U15 and he represented his country in the tier heir for the U16s, youngest on the pitch and easily the stand out player and I know it is two years below. I said when he first played his U18 match he was a 14 year old which is 4 years below his age group(18) and he was scoring

milnerpoint
16-02-2011, 22:20
No it does not mate and even if it does. Look at the top teams and their under 18s may have a few young ones to make up the numbers but Raheem is definitely doing something rather than making up the numbers. That is a really unfair comment for a guy who is in the squad for the europa league tomorrow. Last year his age group was U15 and he represented his country in the tier heir for the U16s, youngest on the pitch and easily the stand out player and I know it is two years below. I said when he first played his U18 match he was a 14 year old which is 4 years below his age group(18) and he was scoring

he never said anything about him just making up the numbers, read it again.

Philip Rolfe
16-02-2011, 22:22
- Er, yeah it does start at 16. Most certainly.
- I never said he was making up the numbers.
- I could go through the England Under-16 squad right now and tell you who's Under-15. Jordan Houghton is one off my head.
- If he was 14, the average age of players on the pitch will have been 16. Not that many 18 year-olds play Under-18 football, because scholarships start at 16 and last two years basic.

McMaster#28
16-02-2011, 22:28
The key word is Under 18 (yes I know you can play the 1+1 overage players or whatever it is now).

Sinner264
16-02-2011, 22:31
CA 150+
PA OVER 9000

/thread

ReggaeBwoy
16-02-2011, 22:35
No I understand what you are saying but there is only a few players who start representing the Under 18s at the age of 14, 15 and get noticed by a major club and transferred and now Raheem is representing the Under 17s and my point about 'making up the numbers' was not that you said that but although many players are representing their clubs at an early age I think it is just to make up the numbers whereas Raheem imo is better than most academy players who are second year scholars already, it is quite obvious if you see him play. I do not know a player in Raheem's age group who is representing a major top 6 club every single week, including youth cup and making as much progress.

SCIAG
16-02-2011, 22:39
No it is not an exaggeration it is true, he was playing for QPR U18 while he was in yr 10, four years below his age group (and scoring) and also scored on his liverpool youth debut last year and he was youngest player on the pitch at 14 and if you see his feet you will know what i'm talkig about. Five goals against Southend and I think if i am right he was the youngest on that pitch but unfortunately no Raheem Sterling on FM 11
Year 10- 14/15. Triple 14 is 42, triple 15 is 45.

Philip Rolfe
16-02-2011, 22:43
It's far from making up the numbers, that would be counter productive. You promote these players above their age group to challenge them, to stop them dominating against their own age and not progressing. Therefore these players are up on merit.

I'll give you a perfect example to answer your final bit there, Nathaniel Chalobah at Chelsea, turned 16 in mid December, four days younger than Sterling. He plays for Chelsea's reserve team. This season he has 8 Under-18/Youth Cup appearances, with 2 goals from centre-back in the Youth Cup. He has seven reserve appearances, scoring one goal. He played 8 times last season (as a 14/15 year old), scoring twice for the youth team. He has played for the first team in pre-season (like Sterling, but more minutes I think), been on the first team bench in Carling Cup action, and captains England's Under-17s (for whom he's played since he was 14).

I don't profess him to be better than Sterling, I've not commented on Sterling's actual ability in this thread. However, I use him as an example to show that there are such players around, of which Chalobah is probably at the top of the group.

milnerpoint
16-02-2011, 22:49
haha a youngster arguing with an SI stato i wonder who's going to end up on top....

ReggaeBwoy
16-02-2011, 22:53
Yes good point, Chalobah is very good as well, (shame he didn't come on against Newcastle in carling cup) also being playing with people above his age group as well and yes he being playing with top chelsea players in reserves weekly, good prospects for England especially as they are still schoolboys, although Sterling is born in Jamaica and could choose to represent them but if I am right, Chalobah and Sterling are the only two schoolboys representing England U17 (shows the talent they possess).

stevie_G_32201
17-02-2011, 00:19
CA 150+
PA OVER 9000

/thread

is there anywhere the over 9000 thing will not reach :D

WHAT! 9000!? THERE IS NO WAY THAT CAN BE RIGHT...CAN IT?

McMaster#28
17-02-2011, 10:09
and Sterling are the only two schoolboys representing England U17

There are quite a few schoolboys in the Eng U17, I think. George Willis made his Eng U17 debut last Summer only 4 days after turning 15 for example.

Sir_aLex
17-02-2011, 10:32
Who is your friend?

Ed Upson! got released from ipswich last season and is now at yeovil and started every game since chrismas.

rimm!
17-02-2011, 12:54
It is amazing, and quite amusing, to see how quickly people will claim that a teenager is going to be the next big thing just because they have read his name in the papers. Does noone remember Nii Lamptey? or that english lad who went to Ajax, Sonny something? Freddy Adu? Above average teens can often look brilliant alongside their peers, but often get found out quickly once they are put in the 'big' leagues. Sterling might turn into a decent player one day, but i dont think the lack of him in this years fm is going to cause any real problems.

Nicolai87
17-02-2011, 13:52
I imagine he'll be a -9, because of his ability and club.

As for CA, I'd compare with other young players at Liverpool. I don't think he's very physically developed yet, so 86 might be a bit high (physical attributes need a lot of CA), but I'm just estimating at present. Is Suso in the game at present? If so, I'd give him a similar CA to Suso.

On another note, I'm very pleased that this thread hasn't gone the way of most of this nature (declaring Sterling to be the best thing since sliced bread).

Isn't Wilshere's PA -9? If so, how on earth can you justify giving Sterling a -9 aswell? And besides, every researcher keeps saying "back up your statements with proofs", so I seriously don't think you should post stuff like that as a moderator. I doubt you've seen him play enough to be able to say that he's likely a -9, and Dalglish said that Sterling and four other kids would travel anyway. Shouldn't the other four be given -9 aswell?

Lastly, it was was against SOUTHEND UNDER EIGHTEENS.

stevie_G_32201
17-02-2011, 13:56
Isn't Wilshere's PA -9? If so, how on earth can you justify giving Sterling a -9 aswell? And besides, every researcher keeps saying "back up your statements with proofs", so I seriously don't think you should post stuff like that as a moderator.

just because he is a moderator doesnt mean he isnt entitled to his own opinion, he just stated he would imagine he would be -9 not that he will be. i also think a -9 would be fair, -8 would be a little hard on him as he is a fantastic talent with boatloads of potential.

StevoRobbo
17-02-2011, 13:56
Isn't Wilshere's PA -9? If so, how on earth can you justify giving Sterling a -9 aswell? And besides, every researcher keeps saying "back up your statements with proofs", so I seriously don't think you should post stuff like that as a moderator.

Now we know more of Wilshere I cant see him being a -9 next year. If he gets a low end -9 its just not good enough. I'd expect him to have a fixed PA next year. So there really isnt anything wrong with giving Sterling a -9 PA.

At one point, Wilshere was relatively unknown and was given a -9. How is this any different?

Eugene Tyson
17-02-2011, 14:06
It is amazing, and quite amusing, to see how quickly people will claim that a teenager is going to be the next big thing just because they have read his name in the papers. Does noone remember Nii Lamptey? or that english lad who went to Ajax, Sonny something? Freddy Adu? Above average teens can often look brilliant alongside their peers, but often get found out quickly once they are put in the 'big' leagues. Sterling might turn into a decent player one day, but i dont think the lack of him in this years fm is going to cause any real problems.

You're talking about Sonny Pike. Pike became disillusioned with the game after the manager would repeatedly laud his performance in training, then ignore him when not training due to injury, even slating him and accusing him of exaggerating/faking his injuries.

His parents got divorced and this lead to him having a mental breakdown and he quite football shortly afterwards. He continued to play non-league football under his real name Luke. He studies pychology at the University of Dundee and claims to be much happier being away from professional football.

Sonny Pike was a story because Ajax had the best youth academy in Europe and he was signed up when he was 7, making headlines.

A lot of young players get disillusioned with the professional football and subsequently quit. Sonny didn't make it not because he wasn't good enough, it was because he just got disillusioned.

oggie26
17-02-2011, 14:18
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj339/oggiet/oggie/RaheemSterling.jpg

fish77
17-02-2011, 14:43
i'd give him higher pace & acceleration than 10, he may not be fully devoped physicaly but he's very quick, watched him the other night and he reminded me of a young michael owen in the way he moves

oggie26
17-02-2011, 14:47
http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/245036-Metal_Guitarist-s-Football-Manager-2011-11.2-Database-Update

Its from above database, gotta agree lad looks cracking prospect.

Ty
17-02-2011, 16:43
So does anyone know why Harry Kane was in FM10 at the age of 15, yet Sterling wont be on FM11 in the third patch at the age of 16?

I am not complaining, I am not desperate for Sterling to be in the game or anything... I am sure I can live without the boy wonder til FM12, just confused as to why Harry Kane was on FM10 as 15 year old?

stevie_G_32201
17-02-2011, 16:59
So does anyone know why Harry Kane was in FM10 at the age of 15, yet Sterling wont be on FM11 in the third patch at the age of 16?

I am not complaining, I am not desperate for Sterling to be in the game or anything... I am sure I can live without the boy wonder til FM12, just confused as to why Harry Kane was on FM10 as 15 year old?

you make a good point, maybe he had a flux capacitor?

SCIAG
17-02-2011, 18:52
So does anyone know why Harry Kane was in FM10 at the age of 15, yet Sterling wont be on FM11 in the third patch at the age of 16?

I am not complaining, I am not desperate for Sterling to be in the game or anything... I am sure I can live without the boy wonder til FM12, just confused as to why Harry Kane was on FM10 as 15 year old?
Isn't Kane's birthday in August? The cut off date is usually the 1st of September. Sterling's birthday is much later.

Isn't Wilshere's PA -9? If so, how on earth can you justify giving Sterling a -9 aswell? And besides, every researcher keeps saying "back up your statements with proofs", so I seriously don't think you should post stuff like that as a moderator. I doubt you've seen him play enough to be able to say that he's likely a -9, and Dalglish said that Sterling and four other kids would travel anyway. Shouldn't the other four be given -9 aswell?

Lastly, it was was against SOUTHEND UNDER EIGHTEENS.
I'm not asking for Sterling to be a -9 though, I'm saying I think he will be from past experience, given his apparent talent and his club (youngsters at big clubs tend to have higher PAs, rightly or wrongly), and also age/how proven he is (by which I mean, he's very unlikely to have a -10 or a fixed PA). I know some researchers give PAs on the basis of talent and then lower the PA if the player falters or doesn't apply himself or whatever (I think I remember Phil saying he'd never had to raise a youngster's PA). There was a lot of hype around Sterling as a QPR player too, though it was quite short lived.

As a comparison: Jordan Obita had a similar level of hype to Sterling when he was at QPR, and by all accounts has a high amount of natural talent. He's not at a big club, and he hasn't had the hype that Sterling has since had (outside of Reading). He's a -8. I haven't seen him play because of Reading don't let people watch the youth teams any more, so I can't make a call on whether that's fair.

Furthermore, there are three Liverpool players aged 16 at game start with -9s. If they have warranted it, then it's possible Sterling will.

If I was saying he should be a -9, you'd be completely correct to lambast me given my position, my record of pointing out how stupid such statements are, and the fact that I haven't seen Sterling play at all. But I'm not. I'm second guessing Paul. As this isn't Data Issues, I don't see a problem with that.

Ty
17-02-2011, 22:03
Isn't Kane's birthday in August? The cut off date is usually the 1st of September. Sterling's birthday is much later.

I am not sure on birthdays or anything SCIAG :D

I just know he was 15 that is all. Your explanation makes sense though, cheers.

SCIAG
17-02-2011, 22:45
I am not sure on birthdays or anything SCIAG :D

I just know he was 15 that is all. Your explanation makes sense though, cheers.
Me neither, I was guessing and hoping Juni's search engine-like brain would back me up ;)

McMaster#28
17-02-2011, 22:51
Kane's birthday is in late July.

Death.
17-02-2011, 23:09
I know some researchers give PAs on the basis of talent and then lower the PA if the player falters or doesn't apply himself or whatever (I think I remember Phil saying he'd never had to raise a youngster's PA).

Bit off-topic, but how do researcher's judge whether a player's potential has been misjudged and needs lowering, or whether the player has just not had the application to reach his PA? Because they can't always just bring a players PA down when he doesn't go on to be the player they had anticipated. It seems very hard to judge to be fair.

SCIAG
17-02-2011, 23:25
Bit off-topic, but how do researcher's judge whether a player's potential has been misjudged and needs lowering, or whether the player has just not had the application to reach his PA? Because they can't always just bring a players PA down when he doesn't go on to be the player they had anticipated. It seems very hard to judge to be fair.
Maybe they happened to see a player on a very good day, and since find that he isn't actually that good. Maybe they find that he doesn't develop as much physically as they'd anticipated, or he isn't good enough at first team level. But yeah, it does seem hard. Maybe if Paul or Phil check here again they'll provide a bit of an answer.

StevoRobbo
18-02-2011, 09:40
I am not sure on birthdays or anything SCIAG :D

I just know he was 15 that is all. Your explanation makes sense though, cheers.

It doesnt matter how old the player is. The key is wether or not they are in school. He would have turned 16 in July/August so that means he left school when he was 15. So when the game was released in October/November, he was already 16 and had left school. But obviously because his real D.O.B is in there, when the game starts in June/July he's still 15.

Now with Sterling, even though he is 16 he is still at school. And will be until June/July this year. That is why he cant be added to any patch for this game. But as he would have left school by FM12, he will be in that.

Ty
18-02-2011, 12:12
Ah, awesome.

That makes even more sense... Never thought I would I see the day where I came into GD and learnt something :D

(-CGS-) | FM Legend
18-02-2011, 16:15
http://i972.photobucket.com/albums/ae207/Kun10Aguero/sterling.png
PA of 180

Gandy
18-02-2011, 16:37
Ah, awesome.

That makes even more sense... Never thought I would I see the day where I came into GD and learnt something :D

And you learn so much on OTF? ;)

SCIAG
18-02-2011, 19:24
Kane's birthday is in late July.
There we go :)

Paul Edwards
21-02-2011, 12:50
Research for any kid is hard, and also our data gets cut to fit in with the FM deadlines etc.

Typically I would track a player like this:

He's an U16 player who I have never seen but I read the name mentioned. I keep an eye out for match reports or from those who might have seen him. I then try to pin down a position -this is very hard at youth level as players are moved around an awful lot.

Then when in the Academy I might get to see him play. its easier for Liverpool as many of our games are televised either by highlights of FAYC games are live. Now this 16 year old may be a sub initially and over a few games it might be hard to assess him. What we do is to try and work out how he fits in with the rest of the squad so I can give him a preliminary CA. We also spot some of the big attributes - ie is he quick and small, or big and slow, or dirty, or skilfull etc. We can then set some of the stats that reflect their style but we can't be sure. it is only over the course of a year or longer that we can fill in the gaps and of course in that time they may improve or they may not.

We try to be cautious about handing out high -PAs and having to adjust them but it takes time. the problem with kids of course is that for the new intake we will submit our files say in August and not have seen player x. By the time the game comes out in November we know a bit more and by Patch 3 we think we know them pretty well.

Its not easy!

Mojby
21-02-2011, 20:38
http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj339/oggiet/oggie/RaheemSterling.jpg

He is far to tall here. 181cm is around 5 foot 11 and Sterling is around 5 foot 4 or 5 foot 5.

I have watched clips on you tube and the reports from the Liverpool site and he looks like he is going to be immense.

very frustrated ynwa fan
08-03-2011, 12:45
Research for any kid is hard, and also our data gets cut to fit in with the FM deadlines etc.

Typically I would track a player like this:

He's an U16 player who I have never seen but I read the name mentioned. I keep an eye out for match reports or from those who might have seen him. I then try to pin down a position -this is very hard at youth level as players are moved around an awful lot.

Then when in the Academy I might get to see him play. its easier for Liverpool as many of our games are televised either by highlights of FAYC games are live. Now this 16 year old may be a sub initially and over a few games it might be hard to assess him. What we do is to try and work out how he fits in with the rest of the squad so I can give him a preliminary CA. We also spot some of the big attributes - ie is he quick and small, or big and slow, or dirty, or skilfull etc. We can then set some of the stats that reflect their style but we can't be sure. it is only over the course of a year or longer that we can fill in the gaps and of course in that time they may improve or they may not.

We try to be cautious about handing out high -PAs and having to adjust them but it takes time. the problem with kids of course is that for the new intake we will submit our files say in August and not have seen player x. By the time the game comes out in November we know a bit more and by Patch 3 we think we know them pretty well.

Its not easy!

Can i ask then why the following players stats have not been improved..... Kelly and ince are liverpools future.....amoo, ecclestone, ngoo, wisdom, suso, pacheco, shelvey, sadic, conor coady are all underated.....adorjan,morgan and sterlin look like stars of the future.....seems that most of these players stats havent changed in years.....shelvey, pacheco and kelly especially

milnerpoint
08-03-2011, 12:48
Can i ask then why the following players stats have not been improved..... Kelly and ince are liverpools future.....amoo, ecclestone, ngoo, wisdom, suso, pacheco, shelvey, sadic, conor coady are all underated.....adorjan,morgan and sterlin look like stars of the future.....seems that most of these players stats havent changed in years.....shelvey, pacheco and kelly especially

can you post screenshots of them from the last few versions of FM to back this up?
Anyway this is a data issue, take it up with the liverpool researcher and ask him why he has not improved the attributes.

StevoRobbo
08-03-2011, 13:02
Im pretty sure Shelvey has been improved in the last couple of years. And that would be a question for the Charlton researcher anyway. How many games has he actually played for Liverpool?

x42bn6
08-03-2011, 13:09
Can i ask then why the following players stats have not been improved..... Kelly and ince are liverpools future.....amoo, ecclestone, ngoo, wisdom, suso, pacheco, shelvey, sadic, conor coady are all underated.....adorjan,morgan and sterlin look like stars of the future.....seems that most of these players stats havent changed in years.....shelvey, pacheco and kelly especially

Most youngsters never make it, no matter how promising they look at that level.

Google "Why England will win Euro 2008" for an idea of how it is possible to be miles off in terms of predicting the future.

Personally, I think Liverpool will be lucky to get 1-2 into the first-team in the future - simply because it is very rare to get any more than that.

Paul Edwards
08-03-2011, 13:45
Can i ask then why the following players stats have not been improved..... Kelly and ince are liverpools future.....amoo, ecclestone, ngoo, wisdom, suso, pacheco, shelvey, sadic, conor coady are all underated.....adorjan,morgan and sterlin look like stars of the future.....seems that most of these players stats havent changed in years.....shelvey, pacheco and kelly especially

You are talking out of your bottom frankly.

For some you have listed they have not been in FM before this version so how can you criticise? The reality is that some of them were actually in our database and their profiles were being reviewed as time went on.

Remenance
09-04-2011, 09:35
Supposed to be in here, not 100% sure but will try and post a screenshot ASAP, if not ill just enter data manually =P

http://www.footballmanagerfanboys.net/discussion/topic/4200-500-new-real-life-players/

Remenance
09-04-2011, 09:42
http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo261/remenance/2011-04-09_00001.jpg

have to be honest im a bit dissapointed atm but hes supposed to get to 4 star if he fulfills potential

TacticalGenius
09-04-2011, 09:44
He is 15. How good do you expect him to be? :rolleyes:

x42bn6
09-04-2011, 09:57
He is 15. How good do you expect him to be? :rolleyes:

Lionel Messi, clearly - you can see that from his Under-18 performances, which is clearly a very, very high-level of football and entirely representative of how he will play in the future at the top.

Remenance
09-04-2011, 10:36
He is 15. How good do you expect him to be? :rolleyes:


I expected his dribbling and flair to be better, along with his acceleration and pace tbh, im an LFC supporter but dont expect him to have 20 of any tho. Yet =P

x42bn6
09-04-2011, 11:24
I expected his dribbling and flair to be better, along with his acceleration and pace tbh, im an LFC supporter but dont expect him to have 20 of any tho. Yet =P

If I'm not mistaken, his pace and acceleration are very, very good for his age group, his natural fitness is very good and his flair, movement and determination ensures that he will be an effective winger. Technically, for a 15-year-old, he ticks all the boxes too.

Nik_Dut
10-04-2011, 02:15
Will this one be the next Freddy Adu ?