derbyliam7 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 hi, i tried to sign a couple of youngsters, a nigerian and a brazillian and both the moves got cancelled due to them not getting a work permit. on fm 10 it was possible to sign the player but not have him available to play till he got a work permit. you could then either send him out on loan for a couple of seasons to get his second nationality or just wait for his rep to go up then offer him a new contract. is this not possible anymore or do you have to have a foreign feeder club in order for you to send them out to as i dont have one of those? any help appreciated cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neji Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 You need a work permit feeder club I believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 i think it was the same in the old version was it not? you would only get the option of loaning him to get a permit if you had a club set up, otherwise there is little chance of the same club taking the same player on a 3-4 year loan deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPompey Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Exactly - ask for a club affiliation where the club is in poland or belguim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekman Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 Exactly - ask for a club affiliation where the club is in poland or belguim If he doesn't have any feeder clubs yet then he wont be able to ask for a specific club for a while yet. At first you only get offered local clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathxxx Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 I was shocked whilst still in the BSP when presented the option to seek an overseas feeder club. The board "couldn't find anyone suitable" though, unfortunately and I haven't had the option available to request again since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbyliam7 Posted January 7, 2011 Author Share Posted January 7, 2011 cheers i thought i might have needed a feeder club. ill get on it. just had a tycoon takeover so shouldnt be too long. thanks again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiitastic Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 If he doesn't have any feeder clubs yet then he wont be able to ask for a specific club for a while yet. At first you only get offered local clubs. yes for work permit related issues, its the only clubs you get offered early on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmi88 Posted January 7, 2011 Share Posted January 7, 2011 just had a deal turned down for an awesome brazilian regen from barca, was patient and gave him 6 more months at his clb before i nabbed him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1983 Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I've just missed out on getting a 20year old Brazilian player on loan from English premier league club Arsenal for my English league 1 team because of a work permit. How come he can play for arsenal but not me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I've just missed out on getting a 20year old Brazilian player on loan from English premier league club Arsenal for my English league 1 team because of a work permit. How come he can play for arsenal but not me? Yeah that used to irritate me too... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 because he has a work permit to play for Arsenal and not for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelicanstuff Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I've been interested to see players getting work permits for lower league teams who have been turned down for them in real life, see here: http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/243624-Lower-league-work-permits-%28player-naming%29 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberto Larcos Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Im Man City in my saved games & I think they already have a few feeder clubs, one of them is a Norwegian club i think. But when i fail a work permit for a player im trying to buy wot do i do in order to get that player? or do u have to give up & move on (which i may do) I remember in FM10 you can sign a player who fails a work permit but obviously cant play him so you would then have to loan him out to gain a work permit which was pretty cool & i don't mind waiting 3-4 years to gain a nationality or whatever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelicanstuff Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 You can't use Norwegian clubs as a feeder for this purpose as it takes too long to gain Norwegian nationality. You can use Belgium, Poland, Bulgaria or Spain (for players from certain S. American countries). I think maybe Netherlands as well but I can't remember for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiitastic Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 As a simple solution, just use fmrte and look up the play on it. Go to the players Relations and add the country you are managing in as their Second nationality then try to sign again, it will be successfull Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberto Larcos Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 You can't use Norwegian clubs as a feeder for this purpose as it takes too long to gain Norwegian nationality. You can use Belgium, Poland, Bulgaria or Spain (for players from certain S. American countries). I think maybe Netherlands as well but I can't remember for sure. don't know how that will work getting a belgium feeder club it'll be difficult as when I request a feeder club & boardroom declined this. Anyone know any tricks on how to succesfully get a feeder club? Im Man City & we already have like 5 different feeder clubs lol? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1983 Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 because he has a work permit to play for Arsenal and not for you. I don't know the ins and outs of British employment rules for foreign nationals so are work permits based on the size of the club that requests them rather than the country that the club are in? I understand the % caps in the last 2year rule but not what counts for signing younger players. Plus as he would still be an Arsenal employee and just sub-contracted out, as an aid for making him a better player through experience, how come the permit that he was granted to work in England didn't cover it, I wouldn't have even been paying him anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I don't know the ins and outs of British employment rules for foreign nationals so are work permits based on the size of the club that requests them rather than the country that the club are in? I understand the % caps in the last 2year rule but not what counts for signing younger players.Plus as he would still be an Arsenal employee and just sub-contracted out, as an aid for making him a better player through experience, how come the permit that he was granted to work in England didn't cover it, I wouldn't have even been paying him anyway. well i think how it works is he has been given a work permit to work at Arsenal, i dont think this is transferable to another club, however the club trying to loan can apply for short term work permit to allow them to employ this player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadZone Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Anytime a player is transferred or his contract altered (ie, contract extension), a new work permit has too be applied for Re: Loans, since the "place of work" changes, I believe the work permit needs to be reapplied for again as the current one would only cover the current place of work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberto Larcos Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 work permits boggles the mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 work permits boggles the mind Tell me about it, I had one turned to down when extending the contract of a first teamer (he was for the national team too) then gets a work permit for Ath. Madrid where he played 3 games all season & dropped out of the national team. Then again, someone said above about the rules being different in Spain for certain South American nationalities (he was Chilean) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadZone Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 What team were you Johnny? Bare in mind, this whole "Must in a national team, etc etc etc" is uniquely a UK thing (infact it's harder to get a work permit as a footballer, than say, a cleaner) Every nation has completely different laws In Denmark for example, you'll only get a work permit if the player is paid an X amount, regardless of ability, nation, etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Ace Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 I'm Birmingham City Deadzone, the player I was talking about was Jean Beasejour No wonder they're so confusing. I'm not at the game now & rarely read the help, but are these rules laid down in the game somewhere? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadZone Posted January 11, 2011 Share Posted January 11, 2011 Not as far as I know My knowledge comes from the real world, which of course will differ slightly ingame due to programming limitations Quick overview Due to EU employment laws, anybody with an passport from a EEA country or Switzerland are allowed to work within any other of those countries without applying for a Foreign Visa or Work Permit Each country though differs though with how they handle work permits to everyone else The UK is one of the few nations with rules directly governing work permits for footballers (most countries just use their normal employment laws) A player is given a work permit if a) They have played in their national sides first team for at least 60-75% of that countries last official matches b) On appeal, if the player is believed to have good enough ability or potential to benefit the UK game overall, they may be granted a permit (this is done in FM by the player needing at least 140PA) IRL (not implement into the game), a work permit can still be given if the player has been prevented from playing for their national team for some reason (eg. falling out with national manager), but is strongly believed that he would have played if not for that reason In Spain, Latin Americans get work permits automatically (and can gain Spanish Passports 3 years quicker than other nations) Other than that, I believe it's usually just showing the player has enough ability to play a role in your team Besides the Latin America part, I couldn't say how the game handles the rest as I don't play in that league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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