Goalkeeper PPMs

Am I the only one a little disappointed that these don't exist? I assume it's because SI don't really think goalkeeper personalities vary enough to warrant some PPMs, but here's a few I've been thinking of that I think are very realistic and reasonable possibilities:

-Gets forward whenever possible/Goes forward for corners (only when losing of course)

-Never goes forward

-Charges out off his line (think nutters like Victor Valdez...)

-Stays on his line

-Plays short, simple throws

-Tries long-range kicks

-Dictates tempo

-Avoids using weaker foot

Even the set-piece taking PPMs should be available, at least for the GKs with good free kick or penalty attributes (eg. Shoots with power).

Thoughts?

Avoids using weaker foot is available, I'm currently havign Asenjo do it.

Am I the only one a little disappointed that these don't exist? I assume it's because SI don't really think goalkeeper personalities vary enough to warrant some PPMs, but here's a few I've been thinking of that I think are very realistic and reasonable possibilities:

-Gets forward whenever possible/Goes forward for corners (only when losing of course)

-Never goes forward

-Charges out off his line (think nutters like Victor Valdez...)

-Stays on his line

-Plays short, simple throws

-Tries long-range kicks

-Dictates tempo

-Avoids using weaker foot

Even the set-piece taking PPMs should be available, at least for the GKs with good free kick or penalty attributes (eg. Shoots with power).

Thoughts?

You can set go forward yourself

You can set go forward yourself

But that's not really the point as you can set a lot of these for outfield players too. They should def be in a future version.

If so, I would like to see Almunia have "Tries tricks" (he is adept at juggling and fumbling the ball into his own net) and "Plays with back to goal" (he may as well be looking in the wrong direction).

Like the idea. Could also had Punches crosses to that list

Avoids using weaker foot is available, I'm currently havign Asenjo do it.

Oh yeah you're right. I'm moreso emphasising the possible goalkeeper-specific PPMs however, but thanks for pointing that out.

You can set go forward yourself

I'm not sure you can... I think you might mean setting their 'Attacking Corners' instruction to 'Go Forward ' which is certainly not what I want when I'm 1-0 up!

It's different to this; it's that tendency for goalkeepers to go sprinting up the pitch in injury time as soon as they get even a whiff of a chance for a set piece. There are keepers who do, and there are keepers who barely dare leave their 18-yard box.

And the same is true for rushing out, like as I said with Victor Valdez. I don't watch much La Liga, but from hear-say and watching Youtube vids, he spends more time sliding around halfway up the pitch than standing on his line! As with all other PPMs, this could be a good or bad thing depending on the player's ability (eg. could be a nightmare with poor Decisions, Rushing Out, Aggression, etc).

A few more that come to mind:

-Attempts to put off penalty takers (Jerzy Dudek, anyone?)

-I'd also argue the 'Tendency To Punch' attribute is far more suited to a PPM. In my mind it's more like a characteristic rather than a continuous spectrum of 'tendencies'; keepers either tend to punch it a lot, or they don't. Whether or not they're actually able to hold on to it or fumble/parry should be determined solely then by 'Handling'.

-Gets forward whenever possible/Goes forward for corners --- every keeper in the world charges in for the last attack if needed

-Never goes forward ----- see above

-Charges out off his line (think nutters like Victor Valdez...) ----- a combination of eccentricity and rushing out does this very well

-Stays on his line ---- see above

-Plays short, simple throws ----- thats a player instruction and not a tendency, although i do agree that some keepers will always prefer long kicks/short throws

-Tries long-range kicks ---- see above

-Dictates tempo ---- i don't think any keeper in the world can have that much influence on ball movement

-Avoids using weaker foot ----- already in the game

A 'Distributes quickly' one would be good.

Think Schmeichel - he used to dictate the tempo of Man Utd's play by launching it to Giggs/Kanchelskis. If he just stood there and waited for everyone to get in to position I doubt United would have won as much as they did.

Most of these "PPMs" can be set on the team tactics screen.

Most of these "PPMs" can be set on the team tactics screen.

Yes that's true, but the OP is suggesting that it might me more realistic if there were goalkeeping specific PPM's, as there are with all other players. It isn't a question of whether or not these things are possible already.

Essentially all players in the game except for goalkeepers have some pre-determined playing characteristics, why not include goalkeepers in that?

Most of these "PPMs" can be set on the team tactics screen.

But there are some, such as "Attempts to put off penalty takers" which cannot, and are definitely reasons why keepers such as Dudek with his Spaghetti Legs are penalty-saving specialists. I think the addition of PPMs like this could really add to the individuality of goalkeepers, which we've also grown to love about outfield players' PPMs over the last few FMs.

@baaf

One of the main points against goalkeeper PPMs is that things like this are apparently already in the game in the form of tactical instructions and attributes, to which I couldn't disagree more. PPMs are different to tactical instructions, and they're related but certainly separate from attributes.

Taking long shots is a great example of this: You can tell your AMC to pass short, shoot rarely, slow the tempo down... but if he has a PPM that makes him want to take a long shot, then there's no stopping him. His "Long Shots" and other attributes such as "Decisions" come into play here too, so going by baaf's logic there is no reason for the "Shoots from distance" PPM to exist.

Should "Gets forward whenever possible" not exist because we can adjust the player's Mentality slider?

Should "Marks opponent tightly" be removed because "Marking" is an attribute which covers that ability?

Does "Runs with ball often" also have no use since we can adjust that slider, and their Dribbling represents this anyway?

I think I've made my point...

PPM = How a player plays

Tactics = How you want a player to play

PPMs and tactics can of course contradict themselves - for example, if you tell your centre-back to rampage forward and try long shots despite him having PPMS "Stays back at all times" and "Tries through balls often". This doesn't mean PPMs shouldn't exist.

I personally feel PPMs are broken anyway - in the sense that every player has a playing style that cannot be justified with a PPM. For example, some players try long shots more frequently than others - bringing this back to sliders, it suggests that players could have a 1-20 scale for "Tries long shots" as a "playing style" rather than PPM.

If so, I would like to see Almunia have "Tries tricks" (he is adept at juggling and fumbling the ball into his own net) and "Plays with back to goal" (he may as well be looking in the wrong direction).

Haha awesome

But there are some, such as "Attempts to put off penalty takers" which cannot, and are definitely reasons why keepers such as Dudek with his Spaghetti Legs are penalty-saving specialists. I think the addition of PPMs like this could really add to the individuality of goalkeepers, which we've also grown to love about outfield players' PPMs over the last few FMs.

That would be nice, but it'd be much better to have an actual attribute for "penalty saving". I'm baffled at why this isn't on the game - clearly some keepers are particularly good at it, more than others.

I think 'stays on his line' is represented by the Command of Area attribute. This attribute determines his tendency to come out and claim crosses and so on, rather than his ability to do so.