why shouldnt i buy from pc world?

I was gonna buy this laptop from pc world, http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/dell-inspiron-1546-black-04927895-pdt.html but then sum guys said i shouldnt because pc world dont give good value for money or sum crap like that

So is this laptop worth the 450 because i really cant find a laptop with a 512mb dedicated graphics card for only 450 or under. So is this laptop worth the money or can i find another website or store i can get better value for money? And is this laptop worth the money considring it has a dedicated graphics card? Please i neee quick help im ordering by this friday and hopefully it is good enough for fm11.

because they will steal your eyeballs. Unless you have had a good look and it is still the best deal never buy from PC world.

With a quick look you can even get a better system with an i3 cpu for £1 more direct from Dell. Slightly smaller Hard drive with ddr 3 ram.

That laptop is awful, the HDD is only 5400rpm (slow loading times), the gfx card is over 2 years old and has a value of about £30 if that - same as the HDD. The RAM is DDR2 and they don't list its frequency so its safe to assume its not very good because if it was at the top end around 800mhz or so they would happily advertise it. The display isn't HD, its the same as the old CRT monitor resolutions. The processor is approximately 3 years old, maybe closer to 4 as its not an ultra series and the lowest AMD dual cores from that generation which quite frankly piddle all over that are only £45.

Unless a laptop is essential, a desktop is a much better option - but places like Aria, Novatech and Overclockers UK (amongst others) are likely to have something better available.

If you are after a laptop, and hte only game you play is FM you don't need a dedicated gfx card an on-board would more than suffice. That laptop is god-awful though, it wasn't worth £450 12 months ago and it isn't now really, however you will find its hard to get value for money on laptops anyway - no one really builds their own because its not worth the hassle and laptop components come at a premium anyway, like I said if a laptop isn't essential consider buying a desktop.

because they will steal your eyeballs. Unless you have had a good look and it is still the best deal never buy from PC world.

With a quick look you can even get a better system with an i3 cpu for £1 more direct from Dell. Slightly smaller Hard drive with ddr 3 ram.

Don't buy Dell, we had a saying when I worked there (in Limerick) "Abandon all hope ye who enter in here". Also when the Polish thugs stole the "Arbeit macht Frei" sign (you know the one) our first conclusion was Dell're buying it.

I wasn't saying he should buy dell. I was pointing out why not to buy from pc world.

That laptop is awful, the HDD is only 5400rpm (slow loading times), the gfx card is over 2 years old and has a value of about £30 if that - same as the HDD. The RAM is DDR2 and they don't list its frequency so its safe to assume its not very good because if it was at the top end around 800mhz or so they would happily advertise it. The display isn't HD, its the same as the old CRT monitor resolutions. The processor is approximately 3 years old, maybe closer to 4 as its not an ultra series and the lowest AMD dual cores from that generation which quite frankly piddle all over that are only £45.

Unless a laptop is essential, a desktop is a much better option - but places like Aria, Novatech and Overclockers UK (amongst others) are likely to have something better available.

If you are after a laptop, and hte only game you play is FM you don't need a dedicated gfx card an on-board would more than suffice. That laptop is god-awful though, it wasn't worth £450 12 months ago and it isn't now really, however you will find its hard to get value for money on laptops anyway - no one really builds their own because its not worth the hassle and laptop components come at a premium anyway, like I said if a laptop isn't essential consider buying a desktop.

Well I'll show you a quick comparison of laptop vs desktop just because its so hard to get value for money for laptops because even the best and cheapest companies still have to buy them from elsewhere and manufacturers put such a high price on them it really makes them so worthless at the moment.

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/laptop/range/novatechi3.html that laptop is comparable to the one you found at PC world, but it only has an onboard gfx chip - if you only intend to play FM it will be more than fine, however the processor being better is likely to get more from the RAM and the i3 has the QPI built in I believe (a bit overly technical, but multiple cores can communicate quicker).

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/pc/range/isyspro.html compared to that, its overall a better deal than both - if you have a bit of know-how you can easily upgrade it when you save up more money.

Places like Novatech and Aria do have the option to get in touch with them, and for a fee they will build the system for you more around what you want, for example with that PC the DDR3 RAM at that speed is probably a bit overkill as you're sat there with about £80 worth of RAM that the processor can't fully utilise.

I struggle to find value in any pre-builts because I build my own though (I built my PC for £830 and its still better than the £1300 one on Novatech which is a pretty good deal anyway) PC worlds offering that competes with that is £2100 which gives you an idea of how much they sort of overcharge lol.

As I said, if you need a laptop by all means go ahead and get one but do think long and hard about it, laptops are very poor for gaming in my own opinion and experience, the bulk of a PC is worth it for the value you can get - especially if you have any friends who know how to build one the savings you'll make are rediculous. The list of potential problems with laptops from getting replacements due to faults, overheating issues and the general value of them makes them a major sticking point for me. About 5 years ago you got more value for money than you do now, usually you're paying through the nose for relatively cheap components when they were released a few years ago.

I'd definitely give PC World a wide berth. They'll be ripping you off with the quality and the price.

I've never really understood why people have a downer with Dell. I've had a laptop and two desktops through Dell and they've always worked very well, and if I've had problems the chaps at the call-centre in India have always fixed it. I've often thought of building my own system, but I've found that when you factor in VAT, delivery charges, software, time, effort etc... there's not much in it if a company can deliver one built to the spec you want within a week.

I think Dell has a factory outlet where you can buy PC's and laptops on the cheap where people have cancelled the order. Not sure of the web address though.

PC World are a terrible company who will over charge you, talk down to you as if you have just stepped off a space ship, bully you into buying their very expensive cover plan (not needed if you read the sale of goods act) and when something goes wrong they will show you more examples of the worst customer service ever blaming everything on software therefore not covered.

That laptop is awful, the HDD is only 5400rpm (slow loading times), the gfx card is over 2 years old and has a value of about £30 if that - same as the HDD. The RAM is DDR2 and they don't list its frequency so its safe to assume its not very good because if it was at the top end around 800mhz or so they would happily advertise it.

All true. Turion X2 64bit CPU's use DDR2 and were good. 3 years ago. Graphics isn't as bad as you think though, maybe 12-18months, but it aint going to run Crysis.

The display isn't HD, its the same as the old CRT monitor resolutions.

Sorry I'm being a tw*t but you're well wrong here - Thats a WXGA resolution. Widescreen extended graphics area if memory serves. HD has nothing to do with this. In fact, it's actually a bit higher than 720p/i's resolution.

The processor is approximately 3 years old, maybe closer to 4 as its not an ultra series and the lowest AMD dual cores from that generation which quite frankly piddle all over that are only £45. That laptop is god-awful though, it wasn't worth £450 12 months ago and it isn't now really, however you will find its hard to get value for money on laptops anyway - no one really builds their own because its not worth the hassle and laptop components come at a premium anyway, like I said if a laptop isn't essential consider buying a desktop.

Agree ^^ Go to dell direct if you really need a laptop.

Thats the thing though im not looking for a laptop just for games im lookimg for something that is going to last me for a good 3 to 5 years which is fast, can plays games like fm fifam reasonably and a laptop that is less liable to break which can store lots of files wthout crashing with at least 3 gig ram and a decent processor which woyld run fast. If someone can help me find a laptop like that i would be very greatful. I know this sounds stupid but should i buy the same laptop just from a differnt company.

Any suggestions?

Something like the spec below will cost £782 from a custom laptop builder such as PC Specialist; google 'custom laptops' and configure a few builds...see what prices you get back.

Intel® Core™i3 Mobile Processor i3-350M (2.26GHz) 3MB Cache

4GB SAMSUNG 1066MHz SODIMM DDR3 MEMORY (2 x 2GB)

1GB ATI® Radeon™ HD 5165 PCI Express

500GB WD SCORPIO BLACK WD5000BEKT, SATA 3 Gb/s, 16MB CACHE (7200 rpm)

Is there any way i can customize me own laptop for under 450 pounds?

Is there any way i can customize me own laptop for under 450 pounds?

It's not so easy with laptops unless you know guys who handle the components. It can be done, but unless you know experts who are working with it then forget it.

PC World offer horrendous cutomer service. They sold me a laptop which melted the motherboard after 6 months, which they were obliged to replace. It did the same thing 6 months later slightly out of warranty, and they claimed that there wasn't an inherent fault with the machine.

Cue a 6 month legal battle until Trading Standards threatened them with a court case.

DO NOT buy from PC World, Currys or Dixons (all 1 company)

Thier tech support is bad because they are heavily pressured into sales-targets.

Thier tech support is scripted, and most of thier script solutions involve a SFR solution (Scandisk, Format, Remaster).

If the scipt doesnt provide a SFR solution, it makes them refer you to the software support line, a Premium Rate number.

An engineer home visit is the LAST RESORT, and call agents require authorisation to arrange it.

Most of thier engineers only do part swapping, and will not investigate faults, or check that the swapped part actually fixes the problem.

Any decent call agents they get are quickly driven into quitting by the systems that they are forced to follow, which means only the stupid braindead morons stay on to answer the calls.

See here for a complete list of DSG owned companies to avoid like a desease infested whore.

To add to Magpies, when they do change parts they won't necessarily replace them with new. They won't even bother to check the parts they're putting in, hence why "repaired" computers will suddenly have inappropriate or illegal images on it.

They are also the people who blew the whistle on Gary Glitter, which while not necessarily a bad thing, does prove that during repairs, they'll have a root round your personal files.

And also, their staff are all massive liars.

glowing review of the DSG then. My brother used to work for one of these and i have to say i agree with the comments above, even without some of the stories i'd hear about what went on.

I always want to scream in the faces of people in these stores who are stood listening to some goon trying to convince them they need an overpriced/outdated machine..."RUN AWAY!"

Nice one guys but if i shouldnt buy from any of them companies where should i buy from? Withva budget of 450

Have a look around here: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=959&catid=1828