Vital FIFA Rule, FM Missed!!!

I have just read this;

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_6319897,00.html

and I realised that it isnt in fm10 but it woulod cause absoloute caos because every player who was slightly unhappy about not being in the 25 could quit their contract and demand compensation through court. So should it be in fm11???

It should be in FM, as long as you can clearly see his "percentage completed" somewhere, so you can make sure he reaches his quota of 10%

How do you know it has been missed? It may well be in FM11. It'd be really annoying if any players actually did this though.

it has been missed in fm10 I said!!

Not that annoying. In a 50 game season you would only have to make a player have 5 appearances to keep him.

Ah, sorry. I think though, that in the same way as the Webster ruling, it won't be in the game.

It'd be too easy to get the coding just a bit wrong, and everyone's reserves and U-18s to keep walking out at the end of every season.

How do you know it has been missed? It may well be in FM11. It'd be really annoying if any players actually did this though.

How could it have been in FM10?

According to the link it's a new rule.

The Sporting Just Clause is in FM10, only very rare.

Only as new as the 25 man squad rule - so it could have been written in to come in at the same time as the 25-man rule.

it has been missed in fm10 I said!!

and your evidence is where?

Only as new as the 25 man squad rule - so it could have been written in to come in at the same time as the 25-man rule.

I see; I thought this was an amendment of some sort.

How could it have been in FM10?

According to the link it's a new rule.

The new rule the article refers to is the 25 player (+ home-grown) registration.

its an old rule and dan gosling used it to be released from everton irl at the end of last season

Nah, Dan Gosling used the fact that Everton didn't actually offer him a new contract, he didn't prematurely end anything.

its an old rule and dan gosling used it to be released from everton irl at the end of last season

Dan Gosling left because his contract had expired and he wasn't offered an improved contract in writing. Nothing to do with sporting just cause.

It's not a new rule. I think it was even in CM 01/02 when Ginola was in dispute with Villa.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2001/aug/16/newsstory.sport1

That has got nothing to do with him wanting to buy out his contract because he didnt play 10% of games,

its an old rule and dan gosling used it to be released from everton irl at the end of last season

They only offered him a verbal contract when it had to be in writing, it has nothing to do with this.

A lot of the FIFA rules are not in FM.

Things like solidarity compensation are pretty crucial irl as it amounts to 5% of any transfer fee in international transfers. This is something I miss in the game much more than anything connected to the notfulfilment of contracts which I think should not be in the game as it would be unethical behaviour of the players in my book (see argument about missing on-pitch violence in the game).

but he did got to court about it and anyway my question was should the rule be in fm11!

This is what the actual rule says:

An established professional who has, in the course of the season, appeared

in fewer than ten per cent of the official matches in which his club has been

involved may terminate his contract prematurely on the ground of sporting

just cause. Due consideration shall be given to the player’s circumstances in

the appraisal of such cases. The existence of a sporting just cause shall be

established on a case-by-case basis. In such a case, sporting sanctions shall not

be imposed, though compensation may be payable. A professional may only

terminate his contract on this basis in the 15 days following the last official

match of the season of the club with which he is registered.

When you consider it's on a case-by-case basis, with appraisal based on specific circumstances, it's actually pretty hard to include until there have been a few test cases.

Well its pointless bringing it up now. Im sure SI know the rule and are working with it. If they can code it in they will do. For all we know they tried it with FM10 and it cant be done. Wait till FM11 comes out and have a look.

my point is SHOULD it be in the game?????? FFS

Just because Wenger has rattled off an obscure rule, doesn't mean it should be in FM. Has there been a case of this actually happening yet?

There's plenty of League rules that are not implemented as they are rarely activated. Wenger is just pointing out that the 25 man squad rule COULD highlight this rule more.

Let's wait until it actually starts happening before putting it in the game.

my point is SHOULD it be in the game?????? FFS

We all know it SHOULD be in the game. So SHOULD a lot of other things. It may be in the game for all we know, also it may not be possible to do. Wait till FM11 comes out and have a look.

well people with huge squads would not want it in the game would they??

well people with huge squads would not want it in the game would they??

If people had huge squads, they would only be able to register 25 anyway so anybody else would need to be loaned or sold. Anybody else in the squad would be 21 or under and most not considered 'an established professional' as the rule states so it wouldnt really apply to them. So really all you need to do is rotate your 25 registered players which isnt really that hard. Like somebody has already said, if you play 50 games in a season, they only need to play 5.

Most teams wont even play 50 games. This rule only counts for domestic games as the European squads are a different matter altogether. So you would have 38 league games and then however many games you play in the FA Cup/League cup. If you cant manage to rotate your squad enough to give certain players 5 games in a 45/50 game season then there really is something wrong.

Also dont forget that the rule says they only have to APPEAR in 10% of the games. Nowhere does it say they have to start or play a certain amount of minutes. Im sure if a team has a player they want to keep but he's not played his 10%, they will just bring him on as a sub for the last few minutes of the remaining games.

Going from what Ter said in his post it looks like this rule has been implemented in the game since CM01/02.

It could just be that it happens so rarely in real life there is only a very very small chance of it happening in the game world as well and it might be the case it can only happen with regens for legal reasons.

Going from what Ter said in his post it looks like this rule has been implemented in the game since CM01/02.

It could just be that it happens so rarely in real life there is only a very very small chance of it happening in the game world as well and it might be the case it can only happen with regens for legal reasons.

The link has nothing to do with Ginola taking Villa to court because he hasnt played in 10% of games. It was becuase he wanted out of Villa because John Gregory was a big bad man and said he wasnt worth it and called him fat

It is in FM'10. If you manage Portsmouth you will find that John Utahka asks for the remainder of his contract to be paid by you before he will agree to a move. Hull City have a similar problem with Jimmy Bullard. In real life when Robbie Fowler left Liverpool some years ago, it was disclosed that LFC were still paying around £12000 per week after he had left the club.

No, paying the player a percentage of his wage until his contract expires is a completely different thing.

It is in FM'10. If you manage Portsmouth you will find that John Utahka asks for the remainder of his contract to be paid by you before he will agree to a move. Hull City have a similar problem with Jimmy Bullard. In real life when Robbie Fowler left Liverpool some years ago, it was disclosed that LFC were still paying around £12000 per week after he had left the club.

That has nothing to do with it. Do people actually read this thread before posting in it?

It is in FM'10. If you manage Portsmouth you will find that John Utahka asks for the remainder of his contract to be paid by you before he will agree to a move. Hull City have a similar problem with Jimmy Bullard. In real life when Robbie Fowler left Liverpool some years ago, it was disclosed that LFC were still paying around £12000 per week after he had left the club.

That has nothing to do with this discussion.

As to the sporting just cause rule personally I don't think it really needs to be included in FM unless it becomes a much more common occurence in RL.

Hardly constitutes a vital FIFA rule and the need for an outraged thread does it now?

I can imagine that Wenger is not going to be popular with some chairman for pointing this out. Does he sleep with the FIFA rule book or something?

to be honest you didnt know about it till wenger brought it up

I think the only reason Wenger is complaining about the 25 man squad rule is because it means that he'll have to now buy British instead of French in order to comply with it!

Anyway when this rule was proposed to the Premier League clubs why didn't he raise his objections then?

I think the only reason Wenger is complaining about the 25 man squad rule is because it means that he'll have to now buy British instead of French in order to comply with it!

Not really. Home-grown rule is without regard to nationality. Non-British players like Fabregas are considered home-grown and Arsenal is one of the clubs without any problem with this rule due to their emphasis on buying young.

Not really. Home-grown rule is without regard to nationality. Non-British players like Fabregas are considered home-grown and Arsenal is one of the clubs without any problem with this rule due to their emphasis on buying young.

Actually a Guardian (or Observer) Sport clumn looked at this a few weeks ago, and Man City (31 seniors 13 HG) and Chelsea (25 seniors 5 HG) are the only ones with serious problems. Some of the smaller clubs had an extra senior player, but it was often the case of a player they couldn't offload and would only play in dire straits.

With regards to the Just Clause case the OP was on about, either it's in the game but as rare as real life (i.e. how many players getting <5% games will be able to get the same wages elsewhere) or it's not in the game as it's a "damned dirty ape" to code in. SI are usually as fast with the rules as FIFA, and are better at implementing them (i.e. I couldn't see Liverpool getting dispensation {unfairly} to play Mascherano when he joined them, yet in real life it happened).

As I understand it the rule is basically being used to level the playing field due to certain EU directives about contracts in general. The same thing happen due to the bosman ruling under EU law.