My youth academy produced an incredible player

I was pretty surprised this year with the new intake of youth players. I saw 2 very promising players, certainly much better then most youth players produced by my academy and then I saw this guy !!!!

Unfortunately he's only natural as amc so he doesn't fit in my tactic and I'm not gonna change it because of him but still, he's the best player my academy has ever produced and by a LONG shot.

Best thing to do is re-train him in another position. It would be a waste not to have him in the team in the future

Best thing to do is re-train him in another position. It would be a waste not to have him in the team in the future

Yeah but if re-train him, and then put him back into normal training, after a while he stops being natural at his new position and remains competent (or less) only. I've had that kind of experience before.

his physicals alone would put me off

Oh ok, I was under the assumption that at that age they could be re-trained and gain a 'natural' position

his physicals alone would put me off

i just dont understand anyone saying this. he is 16!!! Physical stats are going to develop.

This is why soe many people say the regen system etc is so poor cause they take the opinion that any 16 year needs to be the finished product

thats a cracking regen right there

I think as he is only 16, his physicals could be improved apon quite easily if he has high PA no?

i just dont understand anyone saying this. he is 16!!! Physical stats are going to develop.

This is why soe many people say the regen system etc is so poor cause they take the opinion that any 16 year needs to be the finished product

thats a cracking regen right there

EXACTLY lol...some people just don't understand the game

If I keep this guy I can guarantee that by the time he's 21/22 years old, his physicals attributes will be about 13/14

Just to give an example, I bough this guy when he was 16 and he had 9 at jumping and natural fitness. He's 18 now and has 12 at both attributes.

Oh ok, I was under the assumption that at that age they could be re-trained and gain a 'natural' position

They do gain a natural position but the "natural" doesn't last forever unless you keep them training the new position indefinitely.

its just frustrating reading it all the time. People were saying the same thing about a 14 year old some one posted a week or so ago.

Oh ok, I was under the assumption that at that age they could be re-trained and gain a 'natural' position

he can become a natural in another position if he's trained there and plays there and so long as he keeps playing there he will remain natural.

its just frustrating reading it all the time. People were saying the same thing about a 14 year old some one posted a week or so ago.

some people can be overly critical of young regens but the system still needs a lot of work, the problem is that the AI doesn't train these youngsters to iron out their weaknesses so you end up with many of the top players having major flaws.

im not saying its perfect by any means, just saying a 16 year old striker doesnt have to have the same strenght as a 29 year old defender to be considered a worthwhile signing

im not saying its perfect by any means, just saying a 16 year old striker doesnt have to have the same strenght as a 29 year old defender to be considered a worthwhile signing

yeah i completely agree, if you have a look at the rate my regen thread in the good player and team guide there are so many people who are criticising these young players for not being complete, but then if someone posts a complete 16yo its most likely an edited player.

some people can be overly critical of young regens but the system still needs a lot of work, the problem is that the AI doesn't train these youngsters to iron out their weaknesses so you end up with many of the top players having major flaws.

what major flaws man? this guy is 16. by the time he's actually old en ought to play in my starting eleven, he'll be a beast.

i just dont understand anyone saying this. he is 16!!! Physical stats are going to develop.

This is why soe many people say the regen system etc is so poor cause they take the opinion that any 16 year needs to be the finished product

thats a cracking regen right there

Yeah but they're never going to develop to be good, at best they'll be average.

He'll never be that good because he'll struggle to win in the air and his speed etc isn't great.

in my honest opinion he'll never be able to be good enough for man united

what major flaws man? this guy is 16. by the time he's actually old en ought to play in my starting eleven, he'll be a beast.

i'm not saying he does but in general there are too many regens with high PA who don't have their flaws ironed out because the AI desn't train them properly so they end up not quite being top class. Your player however is brilliant.

Yeah but they're never going to develop to be good, at best they'll be average.

He'll never be that good because he'll struggle to win in the air and his speed etc isn't great.

in my honest opinion he'll never be able to be good enough for man united

Well, from my experience (and you can see that I'm in 2046) this guy will be simply amazing.

Yeah but they're never going to develop to be good, at best they'll be average.

He'll never be that good because he'll struggle to win in the air and his speed etc isn't great.

in my honest opinion he'll never be able to be good enough for man united

agree to disagree on that one. How you can say, without knowing is PA or the coaches or coaching system he has in place, will never be good enough is lost on me. I agree he may not be the best player in the world, as his strenght may only reach 14/15 but he is alrready better than average with the other stats. Im sure if you had a striker with 20 for strenght and 4 for finishing you would be saying that physical stats arent that important and cause he cant finish he is rubbish.

Where is that band wagon...?

His strength will never go up by 10 or 11 even on a very good physical schedule I doubt.

Your point is rather pointless though imo as if I had a striker with 4 finishing he would be released immediately, the point is that this guy will never cut it at the top level because there are some easy things to see such as the fact that he can't even win in the air much or outrun defenders.

This guy is good attackingly etc but he isn't good in other areas.

Some odd posts in this thread

If he was in my academy, i'd obviously look at improving his Aerobic and Strength, but at the same time, playing to his own strengths.

For his age, his Passing and Creativity are top notch, so i'd train him either as an AMC or DMC playmaker, in the mould of like Riquelme or Pirlo. Neither are particulary good in the air or hold much strength, but their technique and intelligence will shine through when protected by other players in the midfield.

His strength will never go up by 10 or 11 even on a very good physical schedule I doubt.

Your point is rather pointless though imo as if I had a striker with 4 finishing he would be released immediately, the point is that this guy will never cut it at the top level because there are some easy things to see such as the fact that he can't even win in the air much or outrun defenders.

This guy is good attackingly etc but he isn't good in other areas.

I hope you're not suggesting that every player in the starting 11 needs to be able to win headers or outrun players

Obviously it'd be marvelous if we all fielded a team of 11 fast giants, but the opportunites just don't come along.

it isnt pointless, its a difference of opinion. I would happily have him in my under 16's and try to develop him through my coaching ranks. What exaclty are you basing "His strength will never go up by 10 or 11" on?

I have a player in my wolves team who started with 6 for strenght when i signed him at 16 and his ended up at 17? so it went up by 11m your saying it can only go up a maximum of 6 or 7?

I hope you're not suggesting that every player in the starting 11 needs to be able to win headers or outrun players

Obviously it'd be marevelous if we all fielded a team of 11 fast giants, but the opportunites just don't come along.

no he is just on the 'regens are rubbish in FM11' wagon i think

I'm not saying that.

It's just the match engine is so heavily relied on physical attributes that this guy is going to struggle at the top level.

He's great creatively and attackingly but in other areas it isn't so great...

I don't mean to burst anyones bubble but I don't see him as an incredible talent.

no he is just on the 'regens are rubbish in FM11' wagon i think

I am by no means.

I just feel this player isn't ever going to be incredible

im not saying he is

i said he will be better than average and worth holding onto

so, in your opinion, whats more important, physical att. or actuall ability?

What do you mean?

I look for a player who is good at what he needs to be and still carries a physical presence.

I don't want a striker who is just good at finishing, composure, off the ball, he needs to be fast.

I'm not so critical about aerial ability but a top level footballer needs speed.

Top players can survive without good physical attributes in some positions, they make up for it with their vision and intelligence, you can't doubt that.

If this player has an excellent to world-class PA, say in the range of 175-200, then performing at that ability for most of the season will outshine having poor-average physical attributes.

It entirely depends on where he's played and how he develops.

I'm not saying physicals are everything but if a player doesn't possess amazing attributes in the other areas, well then imo they aren't a good player.

Top players can survive without good physical attributes in some positions, they make up for it with their vision and intelligence, you can't doubt that.

Absolutely. Seen it countless times.

I'm not saying physicals are everything but if a player doesn't possess amazing attributes in the other areas, well then imo they aren't a good player.

well this guy has amazing attributes in the other areas.

really?

so a good player must me amazing in all areas

so what does a great player need to be?

I'm not saying physicals are everything but if a player doesn't possess amazing attributes in the other areas, well then imo they aren't a good player.

and for a 16yo how is he not amazing in other areas?

Well it all depends on his PA.

For a 16 y/o he is amazing attackingly, creatively and mentally.

really?

so a good player must me amazing in all areas

so what does a great player need to be?

What?

Then that's your approach to management

It differs from my own, in that i look at how that player can fit into the position and the team overall.

If i can accomodate a world-class playmaker whos a bit on the slow side without compromising the tactic, then i will.

I won't slam the door in his face at 16 because he's not up to scratch.

your making no sense at all!

your saying that he is amazing attackingly, creatively and mentally. but it depends on his PA??

his determination is 19 which is certainly going to aid his development, so if his PA is high he will be a top player.

your making no sense at all!

your saying that he is amazing attackingly, creatively and mentally. but it depends on his PA??

If his PA is high then he can become a sensational player in those areas respectively.

If his PA is low then he won't develop much and he'll be rather crap.

If his PA is high then he can become a sensational player in those areas respectively.

If his PA is low then he won't develop much and he'll be rather crap.

if his PA is high he will be able to develop his physical attributes to be one of the best players in the world, the key stats in his other areas are already sensational.

but 5 posts ago you said regardless he will be average at best?

sorry, just confused as to what you are saying

if his PA is high he will be able to develop his physical attributes to be one of the best players in the world, the key stats in his other areas are already sensational.

Yes that is true

but 5 posts ago you said regardless he will be average at best?

sorry, just confused as to what you are saying

I didn't say anything 5 posts ago.

And anyway I said he could be great in certain areas nothing about overall as a player .

It's just my style of management and opinion

Yes that is true

I didn't say anything 5 posts ago.

And anyway I said he could be great in certain areas nothing about overall as a player .

It's just my style of management and opinion

and how have you been doing in the game? lol

Yes that is true

I didn't say anything 5 posts ago.

And anyway I said he could be great in certain areas nothing about overall as a player .

It's just my style of management and opinion

"Yeah but they're never going to develop to be good, at best they'll be average.

He'll never be that good because he'll struggle to win in the air and his speed etc isn't great."

Not having a go mate, just was confused as 1 minute you said he wasnt any good, then next he was amazing?

either way it doesnt matter, its all personal opinions!

and how have you been doing in the game? lol

Very good

"Yeah but they're never going to develop to be good, at best they'll be average.

He'll never be that good because he'll struggle to win in the air and his speed etc isn't great."

Not having a go mate, just was confused as 1 minute you said he wasnt any good, then next he was amazing?

either way it doesnt matter, its all personal opinions!

I apolagise I am getting confused as I do in arguments.

My opinion is that he could become very good in certain areas with a high PA but he'll never be amazing due to his lacking physical presence.

/My contribution to the thread

its not an argument at all, just discussing opinions.

looks great to me!

Very good

whatever works for you man.

I can see where AF7 is coming from.

The match engine in FM10 (and in previous versions) has been very biased to physical attributes.

That is why players like, Lennon/Walcott/Gabby all have terrible technical attributes, to counter-act their physical presence.

Diaby for example, doesn't look like a very good player at all, in fact he doesn't look Arsenal quality. Yet he can be one of the best performers in the Premiership due to his physical attributes.

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That aside, you have yourself a pretty amazing youth product.. especially as it came through your system as well.

I am yet to get a player of any worth come through any of my systems!

Get a scout report and figure out how good his potential is, if it is something like 4 star - get him straight on a very physical regime till he is 18, then get him on a specialist schedule depending on what final position you choose to have him at to get the best out of him mentally and techically.

Good luck developing a tasty looking regen

He looks like he could be a well good player.

I'm going to side with AF7 here, don't get me wrong - I think he'll be a good player, but as AF7 says I don't think he'll be great.

It's been commented before that this is a very physical attribute-driven match engine, which I believe to be true - take the example of Adebayor for example. Dearest Emmanuel has the technical attributes of a championship striker, his mental attributes are ok but his physical attributes are excellent. On numerous saves I've seen him perform exceedingly well, whether for or against me. Now if we look at someone technically proficient, such as Mladen Petrc - Petric has fantastic technical stats and he's both footed, as well as having strong mental stats. His physical stats however (all bar strength and jumping) are pretty awful, and as a result he struggles to perform in leagues such as the English Premier League.

Next we have to look at the player development trends. Physical attributes are notoriously difficult to train up in comparison to technical or mental, and by setting 'high' or 'intensive' training schedules you could realistically find him lying on the floor with some horrific injury whilst your coach lashes him with a nine-tails, yelling 'MUSH'. That, or he'll be injured a lot thus stunting his development. Its not impossible to drastically raise a player's physical attributes by such large amounts, I've just not seen it personally.

I don't hate regens, I think the overall standard of them is very good, I just think that *this* regen will struggle in comparison to a more physical counterpart

EDIT: Just seen the year that the OP screenshot is taken in, could the author find the 10 most expensive players in his save and list their physical attributes if he/she has the time?