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saulty2805
06-08-2010, 17:42
Hi all :)

I recently started a game as Athletic Bilbao in Spain. Many of you will be aware of the fact they can only sign Basque players.

When ever I hold a Backroom Advice Meeting, I keep getting suggestions to scout different nations, Italy and Germany being the last two recommended.


What benefit would I get from scouting these nations seen as I will not be able to sign any players from them?

Thanks in advance :thup:

DivineOne
06-08-2010, 17:43
To sign Basque players that play there?

saulty2805
06-08-2010, 18:00
To sign Basque players that play there?

I suppose, but the majority of Basque players are in Spain and a few in France.

brookie1402
06-08-2010, 18:10
But there are still some in other countries.

InterWolf
06-08-2010, 20:39
No advantage really, so don't bother doing it.

B. Stinson
06-08-2010, 22:07
Sounds to me like it's just a lack of situational awareness from the AI. Kind of like when you start with a lower-league team who has no staff or players (like Kildare County at the start of some games), and the press conference keeps asking cookie-cutter questions as if you had players or staff.

Ernest166
06-08-2010, 22:16
Maybe it's just like it has to be,the game doesn't make any difference between A team to B team or whether they have some own rules.
After all,this Basuqe transfer rule is only coming from the club itself so the game doesn't recognize it as a special club.
I think that's the reason.

Nottingham Forest
06-08-2010, 22:23
why can you only sign basque players. i dont get it.

saulty2805
06-08-2010, 22:44
why can you only sign basque players. i dont get it.

It's a rule that the club has in place, in real life and in the game :thup:

Nottingham Forest
06-08-2010, 22:49
It's a rule that the club has in place, in real life and in the game :thup:

how come though. why cant they sign anyone else. is basque another country then

saulty2805
06-08-2010, 22:50
how come though. why cant they sign anyone else. is basque another country then

They like to promote the signing of talent from the local area :thup:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basque_Country_(greater_region)

Nottingham Forest
06-08-2010, 22:53
ok i still dont get it but i dont think i will but it must be a good rule.

saulty2805
06-08-2010, 22:55
ok i still dont get it but i dont think i will but it must be a good rule.

It would be the same as Nottingham Forest only signing players from the Midlands area

Nottingham Forest
06-08-2010, 22:57
ok. just giving local people a chance then

RONS 22
07-08-2010, 01:11
ok. just giving local people a chance then

The political situation in the Basque region is a little more complex than that.

JimbobWWFC
07-08-2010, 03:02
I thought the were able to sign non-Spanish players as well. They only have to be Basque if they are Spanish. Unless this rule has changed.

Maybe that's why you are being advised to scout other nations?

saulty2805
07-08-2010, 03:09
I thought the were able to sign non-Spanish players as well. They only have to be Basque if they are Spanish. Unless this rule has changed.

Maybe that's why you are being advised to scout other nations?

I can not sign any Non-Basque players

AB-forever
07-08-2010, 06:05
I thought the were able to sign non-Spanish players as well. They only have to be Basque if they are Spanish. Unless this rule has changed.

Maybe that's why you are being advised to scout other nations?

You're thinking of Real Sociedad.

La Furia Roja
07-08-2010, 08:38
i think it is a little to do with the AI not picking it up, but there are some players in high leagues that are basque and many people dont know. Almunia for one is Basque but is only thought of as spanish, Del Horno, Arteta, there are a few that alot dont think of.

The question for me is, do they recommend players that are non-Basque?

TacticalGenius
07-08-2010, 08:55
No, they don't unless the player is 16 or under and Spanish, then they can be recommended and signed as they then would have learned their football in Basque county as per the Athletic Club Cantera policy.

Gandy
07-08-2010, 09:22
Xabi Alonso to :). Also Didier Deschamps according to Wikipedia, but they could be a lie aha.

TacticalGenius
07-08-2010, 09:58
Lilian Thuram is Basque ;)

brookie1402
07-08-2010, 10:01
Xabi Alonso to :). Also Didier Deschamps according to Wikipedia, but they could be a lie aha.

Deschamps was born in Bayonne in France, which is in the Basque region. It covers an area of France.

You can usually tell Spanish Basque players just by their name. For example Xabi is a Basque name. So is anything with a 'tx' 'tz' and usually the letter k in the name is Basque.

Gandy
07-08-2010, 11:24
Deschamps was born in Bayonne in France, which is in the Basque region. It covers an area of France.

You can usually tell Spanish Basque players just by their name. For example Xabi is a Basque name. So is anything with a 'tx' 'tz' and usually the letter k in the name is Basque.

I failed geography, but that’s interesting :). Why is there a Basque region in France?

edgar555
07-08-2010, 11:29
I failed geography, but that’s interesting :). Why is there a Basque region in France?

The Basque region is not based on the current 'world map'. In days gone by the Basque region stretched from parts of what is now Spain into parts of what is now France. Simples.

bridport_pouncer
09-08-2010, 23:09
Good luck Saulty my boy.

SCIAG
09-08-2010, 23:38
Catalan is spoken in the south of France, though I don't know if Catalonia extends that far.

Nottingham Forest, Gandy, anyone else- look up those two regions on Wikipedia. The Catalans (who have Barcelona as their "capital city") and the Basques (Bilbao) are like the Scotland and Wales to Spain's England (with Madrid being very similar to London in that London is the capital of England and the UK). Those three groups have a long history. It's very interesting.

La Furia Roja
09-08-2010, 23:52
Catalan is spoken in the south of France, though I don't know if Catalonia extends that far.

Nottingham Forest, Gandy, anyone else- look up those two regions on Wikipedia. The Catalans (who have Barcelona as their "capital city") and the Basques (Bilbao) are like the Scotland and Wales to Spain's England (with Madrid being very similar to London in that London is the capital of England and the UK). Those three groups have a long history. It's very interesting.

Yes it reaches that far. My grandparents are both from Barcelona and i lived there for a good part of my life, the region spreads through France and the borders of Andorra

Alegeeter
09-08-2010, 23:57
So basically fm has managed to incorporate this rule just for one club ! That's something I didn't know this version of football manager could do until now and fm11 announcement shouldn't be too far away !

La Furia Roja
10-08-2010, 00:01
So basically fm has managed to incorporate this rule just for one club ! That's something I didn't know this version of football manager could do until now and fm11 announcement shouldn't be too far away !

its not just this version, has been is the last few

saulty2805
10-08-2010, 00:03
If it means anything to any of you, I put this game to one side and started a new one in the Blue Square :p

La Furia Roja
10-08-2010, 00:09
anti climax...

saulty2805
10-08-2010, 00:13
i did finish 2nd in my first season, behind Real Madrid, and do plan on carrying on with it :thup:

Nobby_McDonald
11-08-2010, 00:04
its not just this version, has been is the last few

And also for Barakaldo and all other Basque teams too.

Lucas Weatherby
11-08-2010, 01:15
The issues with Basque teams and scouting is something that we are already aware of in QA, and something we are looking into.

I agree with you entirely that in terms of signing players, scouting (certain) other nations is not all that important for a manager of Athletic and other teams with the Basque-only rule.
However, that said, with Attribute Masking "on", it is still important to scout players and build up a network in order to assess potential opposition.
In this case, it depends on your individual game setup (and will do too, if you want to get the best out of a Basque-only club management game).

DivineOne
11-08-2010, 10:13
and other teams with the Basque-only rule.


There are other teams with this rule then?

Lucas Weatherby
11-08-2010, 10:30
I'm perhaps jumping the gun here.

There is no formal rule for the other teams (rather just Athletic), but these teams do have a preference for Basque only players (at least, IRL).

As I said, issues with scouting nations in certain circumstances (not just limited to Basque side Athletic Bibao), are something we are looking into.

dafuge
11-08-2010, 11:05
Cultural Durango used to have the same policy, although I think it's been a while since they were in the playable divisions on FM.