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mrdanbartlett
16-07-2010, 11:05
Ok I was playing my massively successful Ipswich game last night, in 2020, 180 games unbeaten in the League, loads of cup wins etc, the team is immense and even the backup team is full of great youth, new stadium etc, club is set up for 20 years.

I wonder on the other end of the scale how badly you could ruin a club? I mean say you took over a club with massive debt, but one that still has some money for transfers/wages, you could flog the whole team for 10k a player, then spend all your transfer money on 35 year old players from the lowest league you can find, give them huge wages on long contracts, release all the youth players, sack all the staff too.

What would happen? I assume they would just go into admin, lose every single game and plummet down the leagues? Where would it stop? I might give it a go.

Ok odd thread but hey its Friday right.

Kirkham88
16-07-2010, 11:39
Do in with Rangers in the SPL ;)

Paulo1985
16-07-2010, 12:18
To totally ruin any club just two players are needed Robbie Savage and Emile Heskey. If signing these two dont get you sacked automatically then nothing will.

Graham FM
16-07-2010, 13:01
To totally ruin any club just two players are needed Robbie Savage and Emile Heskey. If signing these two dont get you sacked automatically then nothing will.

:thup: second that :D

dontask
16-07-2010, 13:03
To totally ruin any club just two players are needed Robbie Savage and Emile Heskey. If signing these two dont get you sacked automatically then nothing will.

take it you hate anybody who has played for leicester!!!!!

it might just be on my saves but deportivo collapse spectacularly, often getting relegated 2 seasons running when they start. lose all their players but still have huge debt.

mcleod_69_69_69
16-07-2010, 13:06
just do it with portsmouth, they're f****d anyways

ziotree
16-07-2010, 13:10
just do it with portsmouth, they're f****d anyways

i have a save where in 2017 utd got relegated to the championship and with all the debt

great challenge trying to rebuild the club again especially since the likes of rooney etc are on 100 grand a week and u only get 5% of transfers

SynysterGates17
16-07-2010, 14:31
GLASGOW RANGERS CHAMPIONS OHH OHH OHH OH lol do with chelsea

mrdanbartlett
16-07-2010, 15:10
Surely Man UTD will be the 'best' club to do it with, they have what 600m debt in the gamne? Ok the stadium is big but surely nobody will go to watch them in league 2? By that time the sponsors deals will have run out too. I will give it a go this weekend, maybe Chelsea is a good bet though too - I guess its a question of who is the most debt ladden club in the game? (ideally with a small satduim)

Also will the board let you sell Rooney for 10k?

Nottingham Forest
16-07-2010, 15:23
gonna try this with Man Utd see what can happen. seems fun to try.

uusinjsh
16-07-2010, 15:34
Also will the board let you sell Rooney for 10k?

Why shouldn't they?

mrdanbartlett
16-07-2010, 16:13
Why shouldn't they?

In old versions of the game I thought sometimes the board would intervine? I.e if you wanted to sign someone for 150m etc, so maybe it works both ways.

BILLY WRIGHT
16-07-2010, 23:51
Ask the Bhatti brothers.
They managed it with the Wolves in the early 1980's

No good suing me; my only assets are a fridge full of beer (worth a bit though from a beer lovers point of view)

Nottingham Forest
16-07-2010, 23:53
im trying this now and ive already put them in more debt. about 386 million of it. im in the process of a board takeover as well.

hoppe
17-07-2010, 14:22
theres a guy on here who's in like 2075....and on his man u plummeted massively...ended out in LG2 or conf for a about 15 years. if i can find the link i will post it up. but on mine, last season which was 2022, man u and chelsea were relegated for the first time....and inter had been in italy......

mrdanbartlett
19-07-2010, 11:55
Ok I did this;

- sold nearly all of the first team for either 0 or 100k
- some I couldnt seem to sell, so loaned them out with man U paying 100% wages, 0 loan fee and 0 fee set
- I bought a 36 year old from Braintree for 60m, on 175k a week
- I spent another 10m+ on younger Braintree players and put them all on 175k a week deals with huge add ons and long term deals
- I gave new 100k p/w long contracts to the worst youth players at the club
- Wage bill now totals 2.5m p/w - Scholes and Giggs are the only ok players left.
- Sacked all the satff inc physio's

Lost every single game, very badly, had massive injury problems, got sacked end of Sept - the club then went into Administration, got docked 9 points.

They somehow won 3 games though so got back to 0 points, also they came out of administation when I checked around Feb, the value was 150m and loan debt 109m, maybe they got bought out?? But gutted about that, but they still ended up bottom with 4 points from the season.

Will see what happens to them from now, the finances are now back to 'insecure' and given the huge wage bill which can't be changed and the fact they will be in the championship = surely they will get relegated again, the team is really poor!! However they have hired some staff, but also had at least 2 managers since I was there.

As a flip side I added a new manager, retired the Man Utd one, and took over Braintree - who now had 75m in the bank in Blue Square South........sounds good BUT seriously its barely any easier, nobody remotely decent will come to the club - its still a mission getting good players. I did win promotion but I could have done that without the money, I can't actually spend it!!

Nottingham Forest
19-07-2010, 12:10
ive gave up i managed to put them to 400 million in the red. i was spending about 4 million on wages. i also offered all staff new contracts then sacked them. they got taken over by sir bobby charlton which put the finances ok. so i gave up cos i had a feeling that it would happen again.

mrdanbartlett
02-09-2010, 13:23
Hmm, well they got relegated from the prem, then finished an amazing 5th in the Championship despite a 10 point penatly for going into admin, luckily they lost in the play off semi final.

Its now end of Feb the following season and they are somehow worth 150m but only 30m in debt! Must have been bought out - I added a new manager so I will check, had a quick look and they had lots of finace deals inc 'gift loan', wage budget was 3.3m p.w. Problem was first time around I couldn't get rid of some players, Hargreeves, Van der Sar, Valencia, Owen, even for 0! Will try and flog them on again for 0, they hav 1m in the bank now but 17m transfer budget, so I will spend that on a player from League 2 and give him a big contact.

I'lll also loose the next 10 or so games, sack the staff and hire the worst staff I can possibly find and put them on massive long term deals. Annoyingly they still sold 46,000 season tickets in the championship.

I'll go through and get rid of any promising players for 0 then sign up the rubbish young ones on as big as possible contracts, the 25% yearly wage rise is a right screwer too so will do that :)



On the flip side, I took over Braintree after I'd used Man U to buy some players from them for 50m, Its actually very hard to spend that money as nobody decent will sign for you no matter how much you offer them, I managed to get a few players once in BSP and LG2 though, but I had to pay 30k p/w to Dave Kitson to get him to come. I have signed though.....

Oliver Kapo
Lee Bowyer
Jacob Walcott
Joey O'Brian
Dean Kieley & Claus Jensen
Dave Kitson

Also some Scott Davies and someone Mensing and Gary Roberts who seem decent.

Those are pretty good players for a League 2 side, so naturally I've been unbeaten, draw 5 and won the rest so far, 102 points at the end of Feb and already promoted. I put them on 1-2 year deals and will keep changing up the squad, best to get out of contract players and offer then good money on 1-2 year deals. I know its cheating but its just a fun way, I did it the hard way once (i.e on the standard money, I got Braintree to win the Prem & CL etc) and it was a really big challenge. This is just fun way of doing it while I watch and see how badly I can screw up Man Utd (nothing against them just picked them as they had a big debt).

SaintToon
02-09-2010, 13:53
To totally ruin any club just two players are needed Robbie Savage and Emile Heskey. If signing these two dont get you sacked automatically then nothing will.

What about Titus Bramble? A team with Bramble, Savage and Heskey would fall for sure.

mrdanbartlett
02-09-2010, 13:59
What about Titus Bramble? A team with Bramble, Savage and Heskey would fall for sure.

Indeed! Speaking as an Ipswich Fan I can agree that Bramble in any team = trouble. He will generally play ok for 99% of the match but there WILL be a moment in the game when he makes a big mistake, which will usually cost you. Dodgy backpass, going to sleep etc. Ahhhh good old Bramble!

Defo the best deal in the history of our club to get 6m for him, we fleeced stoke for 3m for Walters recently but Bramble for 6m is ridiculous.

mg539
02-09-2010, 14:34
Ask the Bhatti brothers.
They managed it with the Wolves in the early 1980's

No good suing me; my only assets are a fridge full of beer (worth a bit though from a beer lovers point of view)

Out of darkness cometh light! :P

We're hopefully now back on the road to an established premier league club...

x42bn6
02-09-2010, 16:35
Indeed! Speaking as an Ipswich Fan I can agree that Bramble in any team = trouble. He will generally play ok for 99% of the match but there WILL be a moment in the game when he makes a big mistake, which will usually cost you. Dodgy backpass, going to sleep etc. Ahhhh good old Bramble!

Defo the best deal in the history of our club to get 6m for him, we fleeced stoke for 3m for Walters recently but Bramble for 6m is ridiculous.

The same Bramble who's won Wigan's Player of the Year Award a few years ago, and was good enough to sign for Sunderland?

Yes he has his moments and playing for Newcastle has never helped any defender, but Bramble is a fairly good defender with slightly-iffy concentration.

mrdanbartlett
02-09-2010, 16:37
Sorry but every time I've watched him he has made some fairly big mistake. I personally do not rate him.

Anyway back on topic....... :)

SpeedyReedy
02-09-2010, 19:58
I'm playing Man Utd (10.3 patch) and managed to sell all but 6 players across First, Second and Youth teams. I storm out of every press conference and keep offering my players away.
The fans are upset by every result but buoyed by the fact that I sold Fletcher - who apparently they didn't like. It is already mid-October and I am constantly surprised to see that I still have a job.
The board are willing to expand the stadium (which should cost a fortune) and I have Beckham coming in for 150 Million GBP in July.

If this doesn't get them into administration, I don't know what will!

Any guess on when I'll eventually be fired?

SpeedyReedy
02-09-2010, 20:06
Wow...apparently I was to be fired only a few weeks after I wrote that.
25th October. Two months short of my "fire me on Christmas Day" hopes...
In other news, Man Utd are paying an actual manager 22,000 quid a week, no longer able to afford the 135,000 they were paying me.

Scalamunger
04-09-2010, 22:58
I've now done this with Chelsea, and managed to get to Lte December before i issued an ultimatum so they would sack me before January so i could start a challenege at a lower league club being able to bring in fresh faces, the best thing was they were bottom of league, no wins, only 1 point, out of europe out of carling cup, all plays gone except Terry spent 120 millions on 3 very average plasyers but in november there was a board takeover and the new guy came in and said he was gonna sack me but seeing how much the fans loved me he kept me in a job despite the fact the fans hated me and hadnt won a single game in charge. it is my belief i would be there for a long long time had i not issued the ultimatum cos they just didnt wanna sack me!

djosey
05-09-2010, 11:34
well i've tried it too with manchester, sold for 0 or let go all the 1st and reserve team players (except for gary neville, he must be the most loyal player in the database, other clubs didn't even want to get him because of that), bought 10-12 new extremely crappy players (blue square level) all with long term contracts and maximum wages, and as often as i could with 48 months deals and 46m clauses when they play their first match.

After two and a half months, Man U now spends 11million per month on wages, has a bank balance of -50m, has lost all matches (including a 0-41 defeat to chelsea in the community shield that i engineered with a novel 2-0-8 tactics with two full backs sweepers). i will see how far down they go!!

PitchPosh
05-09-2010, 15:42
djoesy:That's one of the best things I've ever read on these forums. Great job! haha

Does anyone know how much Abramovich will write off of Chelsea's debt? I know he's set as an underwriter, but is there a limit for how much of a financial mess he will clean up?

djosey
06-09-2010, 15:29
Well i was sacked in end of october, but my job was done: Man U had a horrible, horrible first season, 1 points, a goal difference of -140 and went into administration...

However, the chairman resigned at the end of the season, and the club was bought with a huge injection of fund (debt went from 700m to approx. 140m). The club has bought 57M worth of players and a new coaching staff for the second season and is now standing 8th in the championship in december, despite having one of the best team. Players i bought last year are all still there rotting in the reserves and on the transfer list, costing the club approx 10m/month on wages, but no one wants to buy them. As a result the club is still losing lots of money every month, and the chairman has already injected 37m to keep them afloat.

Will be interesting to see how they go, though with the amount of money they have (only a low decrease in attendance, sponsorship and all that, rich chairman), it seems unlikely that they'll go down again. I'm betting on a full blown recovery after the crappy players leave, but you never know...

Steellad
06-09-2010, 23:44
I mentioned on another thread somewhere, i left leeds with a huge squad of 'senior' players like paul furlong and they hit the conference, at which point the entire squad bar 2 players resigned. Not sure if they recovered from that or not but leave a big club to its devices and i reckon they'll usually turn it around. You may have to do it several seasons over to a club like man u anyway.

All tremendous fun.

MelbVictory
07-09-2010, 04:27
Ok I was playing my massively successful Ipswich game last night, in 2020, 180 games unbeaten in the League, loads of cup wins etc, the team is immense and even the backup team is full of great youth, new stadium etc, club is set up for 20 years.

I wonder on the other end of the scale how badly you could ruin a club? I mean say you took over a club with massive debt, but one that still has some money for transfers/wages, you could flog the whole team for 10k a player, then spend all your transfer money on 35 year old players from the lowest league you can find, give them huge wages on long contracts, release all the youth players, sack all the staff too.

What would happen? I assume they would just go into admin, lose every single game and plummet down the leagues? Where would it stop? I might give it a go.

Ok odd thread but hey its Friday right.

The board usually veto's crazy transfers and contract offers. You would have to do it pretty quick befor eyouget sacked. I'm gonna give it a go.

I think i'll try fining every player two weeks wages, get them all ****ed off, sell them off, get some expensive hacks in on Transfers that are high now. Sell the better youth and start playing shjit enough to get them well enough down before i get sacked.


Might try Man U :D

ImOnFire15
07-09-2010, 05:50
Ask Rafa Benitez. He's doing good job of that with Inter.

jkkne
07-09-2010, 12:42
The board usually veto's crazy transfers and contract offers. You would have to do it pretty quick befor eyouget sacked. I'm gonna give it a go.

I think i'll try fining every player two weeks wages, get them all ****ed off, sell them off, get some expensive hacks in on Transfers that are high now. Sell the better youth and start playing shjit enough to get them well enough down before i get sacked.


Might try Man U :D

I've never had anything blocked, It used to happen on the old CM when the offer was rejected for being unrealistic or unreasonable.

I did with Middlesbrough when they outrageously sacked me for finishing 2nd in the Championship with their new Dutch Chairman. I destroyed them to the point they are now in League 2 and have a stadium of 20,000 (H&S keep closing parts of the ground because the club doesn't upkeep them)

McBride
07-09-2010, 16:00
i got chelsea tossed out of the football league. they were unplayable in the ryman league. it was satisfying.

alstarz01
07-09-2010, 19:15
How badly did u guys lose to your Reserves? Ive only just sorted the tactics to lose badly :) It ended 4-9 to the reserves... who are bad n e way! This could be interesting :)

llDracoll
07-09-2010, 23:52
I will answer you in FM11, since I intend to manage River Plate (And I'm a Boca Juniors fan)

However... I'll try not to answer, that's the challenge XD

Buggs_18
08-09-2010, 14:08
Man Utd just got beat 14-0 by Portsmouth in my save lol:D

Ferrari312
08-09-2010, 16:59
I was once bored in one of my long-term games (FM08 or 09, can't remember) so created an alter-ego "Cupid Stunt", took over MK Dons for a few days during which time I took charge of one game (playing keeper up front, striker in nets, etc. you get the idea), then released every single player and resigned. Only got them two back-to-back relegations before they stabilised though, didn't think about getting creative and overloading the squad with crap freebies on massive wages, and leading to admin, etc.

aderow
08-09-2010, 19:35
Man Utd just got beat 14-0 by Portsmouth in my save lol:D

You seem surprised :rolleyes:

aderow
08-09-2010, 19:35
If you could take a team from the prem all the way down to level 10.....that would probably be the worst you could do.

IMT
08-09-2010, 19:46
Do it with your Ipswich side, oblivion is the best place for them ;~)

djosey
09-09-2010, 00:39
Well i tried another time with manchester, and i think the best thing to do to ruin a club is to sell or terminate contract of all players, and then offer all at once long term contracts to a huge lot of free and crappy players. There's an "exploit" in the game, you can propose a contract with any salary to any number of player you want, and you can all sign them, as long as you offer them all a contract before signing others. Just did that with Man U, they now have a 25m€ wage budget, and all original players except those on loan gone. they had a horrible first season 4 points), and have only signed players and staff of blue square level

Without using this, i've found that huge clubs will recover quickly, infrastructure and reputation is too high and goes down too slowly too really mess them up (quite realistic i think btw). And even then, the effect will only last for the maximum length of a players contract, so 4 years i think.

mrdanbartlett
10-09-2010, 10:37
Guys just to update. Ok its season 3 now.

In season 2 Man Utd were in the championshp, lost the play off final. I took over them again and finally got rid of ANY decent players. However the club had been bailed out at somepoint and at the end of the season it got 120m from the chairman, DAMM IT!

However.... we had a 18m transfer kitty so I signed another Braintree player for that then also sign about 50 or so out of contract (utterly cack) players and put them on the max allowed 10.5 pw BUT gave them all max 600k signing on fee's.......that took a big chunk out of the new money. I then signed up youth players (17yr olds) and other players, some allowed me 45k pw deals with 2.2m signing fee's. Basically I managed to get it down to 34m before the season (3) started and with a wage spend of 3.3m per week, but with NO good players.

The club is now in 21st place in the champ, and in bet (woth 90m loan debt 140m I thinK). I will take over them for the last few games (currently on played 41) if needed to make sure they get relegated again.

the main 'problem' seems to be the chairmans kind donations, but also the club has about 5 'gift loans' which are over a long period and only cost the club when they are in debt, even then they probably only total 500k or so per month. Also the club still has some good sponsor ship deals, most should expire end of next season though. Oh and the club still sold 46000 season tickets!

I will keep going though and see how badly I can ruin them, I doubt they will do well in Leage 1 with the players they have, and I recon 2015 will be a hard year for the finacnes as the club will have massive wage bill still but no sponsorship.

Remember to always crank up the contacts, esp the 25% yearly rise as this counteracts the forced 25% drop if relegated.

On a side note my Braintree team (who I gave the Man Utd money to) are top (just) of League one, but I need to get rid of some aging players on big money, and try and get some new players in, back to back promotions was easy but getting out of the Champ will be tough, I need to sign 10 quality players in the next 1-2 seasons, but its VERY hard to spend the money - its barely any easier than when I did it with no money!

interesti88
11-09-2010, 06:43
I would LOVE to see Milan disappear into Italian league abyss HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wiitastic
11-09-2010, 07:05
easy to totally ruin a club. use fmrte and give the club a 1.5 billion pound debt, make their stadium rubbish and same with youth and training facilities. also make them amateur club status and reputation of 1. that should totally ruin the club and send them into administration. Thus giving you a chance to sign 1 or 2 of their star players on the cheap

jemparowkenastoprocent
11-09-2010, 16:53
easy to totally ruin a club. use fmrte and give the club a 1.5 billion pound debt, make their stadium rubbish and same with youth and training facilities. also make them amateur club status and reputation of 1. that should totally ruin the club and send them into administration. Thus giving you a chance to sign 1 or 2 of their star players on the cheap

doing it in FM is much better >D

I've just dropped Inter from Serie A, they have 400 mil loan debt :)

mrdanbartlett
13-09-2010, 11:33
Yep must better to do it via the game itself.

400m is good going! I wonder who can get the record debt?

On my game Man Utd were 21st in Champion ship with ONE game to go, then they went into admin, minus 10 points and finished bottom! :) However the debt has now reduced it seems, I need to take them over again and see why and try and screw them up a bit more. Im sure the chairmen keeps giving them hand outs, most annoying indeed.

On the flip side, my Braintree team are getting ready for their first season in the championship, (inc 4000 cap staduim) - let some oldies go but signed Mathew Upson, Dindanne and also Colback all on frees. Need to scout the hell out of Europe and get in some decent players ASAP though if we are to push for Promotion. This 2way game is really fun!

Caimin Keegan
13-09-2010, 13:03
hi mr dan

great thread-keep us updated when you can

jayahr
13-09-2010, 13:24
FM just won't let any club die, no matter how hard you try.

Suss1690
13-09-2010, 13:30
Keep up the good work, this is the funniest post i've read on the forums in years!

You have to wonder where the new Man Utd chairman is making his fortunes? Possibly the greatest money laundering operation in British history?!
Glazers must stay!............... :)

Terra21
13-09-2010, 14:19
Off work today so gonna try this with Real Madrid :)

Trying to get them relegated from Second Division B

Terra21
13-09-2010, 15:05
First game of the season I lose 18-0 to Racing, lol

Sold the entire squad, only people left are the ones that wont leave but managed to ship them off on loans with me paying the wages.

Bought 5 players at 40m each and 1 at 32m, all over 48 months to Terrassa :p

Will post season updates of the league table.

mrdanbartlett
13-09-2010, 15:23
You need to sign 50+ players, aged sub 30 and ensure they are utter cack, then put them on MASSVIE deals, 25% increase too, long term, big fees and such. That really screws them up. Also what all the staff on huge deals, then sack them. You need to really go to town on these big clubs as they have large revenue streams.

jemparowkenastoprocent
13-09-2010, 19:02
Inter is in Serie C1, their average age of squad is 38, 668 loan debt :D

mrdanbartlett
14-09-2010, 09:56
668m?! How is that finaced, i.e overall length of a loan and cost per month etc? wow.

To update on Man Utd:

As per my last update they got relegated from Championship, and I've taken them over again to see how they are as such. They went into admin but refinacnced the debt 'company voluntary agreement' loan, 74m till 2043, so its only costing them 250k a month to repay. AND they somehow again have 65m in the bank.

Right....so I signed up some more utter cack players, spent the 6m transfer budget on a rubbish 17 year old. Gave some new 17 year old players some large contracts of the max allowed 32k pw and 1.6m signing on fee, the new players I was only allowed to pay 8k pw and 425k signing fee. Still the wage budget is still at over 3.6m a week now plus they owe some clubs transfer fee's over a period of time etc. The bank balance is now down to 43m - I will try and do what I can to get it right down before the season starts.

Also I will give some players new contracts even though they don't need them, just for the signing on fee hit.


On the flip side, Braintree have a very different looking squad for their first season in the championship, a couple more excellent signings and we now have a half decent championship side, hoepfully I can get some players from Europe now who will actually improve the first 11, as at present the squad is filled with mostly 'good players for a champiionship side' as opposed to having any stand-out stars.


I will keep going with this, my aim is to have Man Utd in Blue Sq leagues but with 3m plus a week wages and low turnouts, plus a huge chuck of debt. I wonder if it would be possible to screw them via tax, maybe take over a rich club and get them to sign a Man U player for sat 100m the day before the season (tax year) ends, then have Man U spend all that money on someone rubbish the day after the new year, so in theory they would be paying a huge tax bill for the last season!? Not sure if that would work as doubt I'd be allowed to spend any of the money from the sold player. Also I'm not sure if it works by tax year (april) or season (july 1).

Moros
14-09-2010, 12:56
Nice going with Man United.

I also started the same objective, although with Ajax.
Not that I dislike Ajax, but I want to start the revival with Ajax after the manager called Scre Wup got them down the league system.

So in the meantime I also started a game with 'myself' and the team Albatross which plays in the 2e klasse (6th Tier).
As soon as Ajax arrived in the 2e klasse I will start to apply for the job and get them up again. Also wonder what will happen to Albatross after I left.

My chairman with Ajax was very 'bossy' as he wouldn't let me terminate the contracts, so I sold them for peanuts.
And bought some crappy players.
At the moment:
- Out of the CL;
- Losing 1 Million each month;
- After 4 games at the bottom spot with 0 points.

I think getting Ajax down to the league system is easier than Man United because I don't think a lot of money would be injected in Ajax, we will find out.

mrdanbartlett
14-09-2010, 13:03
I wish I had more time/patience, I'd sign up 300+ players to Man Utd.....from the BSP leagues.

I wonder if that is possible, if there is a max squad size? Man UTD in my game now must have 30 first teamers, 40+ in the reserves and another 30+ youths on senior deals.

Bluenose_92
14-09-2010, 13:19
Flog a fairly solid CB and Nigeria captain and then get in a similar CB who is 2 years older than him and wasn't good enough for City when they were mid-table...

mrdanbartlett
16-09-2010, 12:22
RIght its 2013, Man Utd are in Leage 1, 8th after about 4 games. The info section tells me their value is 84m and loan debt 74m.

The wage bill was 3.8m per week when I left and I got the 65m balance down to 20m. I'm sure they will be in debt by October. I will keep tabs on them, they must have over 100 players at the club on decent contracts at present. WIll take time but in a year or 2 they should be massively screwed as the sponser deals will have expired. Will be interesting to watch it unfold. Each season I will take them over at the end and sign up tons of players and generally just waste any money. I want to know what happens when they go into admin again, I assume they will increase this 'company voluntary loan' they have.


On the other side, Braintree have made a great start to life in the championship, 5 wins and 2 draws, top of the table :)
I signed some good midfilders so the squad is pretty decent now, shall about the 4000 capacity ground. When I got them promoted to the Prem before they ground shared while they built their own new staduim, I suspect that will happen again.

munich 1860
16-09-2010, 14:25
Inter is in Serie C1, their average age of squad is 38, 668 loan debt :D

You're making my dream come true..

mrdanbartlett
17-09-2010, 12:16
Right, its Nov 2nd 2013, Man Utd now (via the info tab) have a value of 74m and a debt of 102m, so the value is going down fairly quickly and the debt up, excellent (Mr Burns voice) :)

Only bad thing is they are top of the league (1), I will keep tabs on them - if they start running away with it then Mr No Chance will become their manager and lose every game, badly, will be at least 10 games before getting sacked I'd imagine.


On the Braintree side, injuries has crippled the spine of my team, lost my best defender, best Mid and also my top scorer! Results have dropped a little but we are still in the hunt for the title at this early stage of the season, once the key players are back things should pick up. Also I hope I can add some players in January, been scouting Europe but not turned up any gems as yet.

mrdanbartlett
22-09-2010, 11:22
Hmmm this is interesting. Its now 2014, August.

Man Utd now have a value of 88m and a debt of just 55m. Seems that what happens is everytime you go into admin you re-finance the debt, and only pay back a % to your creditors. This is totally realistic I guess. So you might be 100m in debt but will agree to only pay back 70m, rest gets written off.

This is interesting, I recon there will be a point when Man Utd become almost debt free, yet will have a tiny wage bill (one the large contracts are run out), of course they will be in the lower leagues but what a great team to take over at that point, 75k stadium, little debt and huge support - cool.


On the flip side, Braintree are in the Prem, new 16,000 stadium being built and will open next year BUT for now we are still at Cressing road and its 4000 capacity but 250 seated, therefore my first home game was watched by 250 fans only!! Odd that I sold 1400 season tickets, but I will never have gates higher than 250, this is so comical. Could be a record low Prem attendance? I'm sure last time I got them to the Prem the ground shared for the first season.

Ohanzee
20-10-2010, 18:53
I'm trying this with Man Utd as well. Planning to take them to League 2 and then come in and "save them". Should keep me interested until FM2011 I hope.

Anyways, I'm wondering if someone can explain this to me? (Finances Screenshot (http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv330/TommiHelm/manutfinan.jpg))

I managed to lose 783M before the club restructured it's debts. Now the original debts (almost 700M) are gone, and instead we have this "Company Voluntary Agreement of 217M". Looking at the financial screens I've had no investment, no cash injection, nothing. The balance has just turned into a 0 without any for of money coming in. As you can see we still have lost 783M this season.

How does this work exactly? I mean I've seen debts be restructured into loans before, but then there's always been some form of cash injection to make up the numbers. And what exactly is a "Company Voluntary Agreement"?

stevie_G_32201
20-10-2010, 19:25
wish i hadnt uninstalled 2010 :( i wanted to try this

Ohanzee
21-10-2010, 00:16
I guess this Company Voluntary Agreement simply makes it impossible to go bankrupt. Gone through 2 seasons now and Man Utd have lost more than 1,8 billion in that time span, but are still 40M in green and only have a 41M "Company Voluntary Agreement" as loans outstanding. This CVA is renewed almost every week just as the 15,3M wages they spend per week is being payed out. So they never go far into negative.

I have taken them down to League 1 though and I wish I hadn't made those crazy contracts 5 year deals now cause they'll probably be in League 2 already after this season.

Anyways, is there really no bad side to this CVA thing at all? It seems a bit to good to be true. You start out with almost 700M in debt at Man Utd. Then you spend tons of money and it just goes away and you're sitting there with a much smaller loan (CVA) instead. At one point it was down to 7M, but as mentioned it's being restructured every week more or less because of the crazy wages.

Norville Rodgers
21-10-2010, 00:42
Ohanzee, how are you in a job if you've taken Utd to League 1? Don't get me wrong, what you're doing is wonderful for football, but I'm impressed you're still in employment.

Ohanzee
21-10-2010, 01:05
I'm not, I got sacked after 21 matches first season. And they didn't recover. Second season I had to add a new manager twice to be sure.

I'm a Man Utd fan so I'm not enjoying it, yet! I just wanted to see how this works, and to get a "different" save with my favorite club. As mentioned, once they are in League 2 and the 50+ (crap) players on 250,000 a week contracts leave (in 2014), I'll be stepping in for real to try and bring them back to the top. Where they belong!! As mrdanbartlett said earlier in this thread, "they will be in the lower leagues but what a great team to take over at that point, 75k stadium, little debt and huge support".

I imagine it would be fun doing this with a club you love to hate as well. But then it's kinda done for once you get them to the bottom.

What I really wanna know is about this CVA thing though? I really don't understand how we can be losing 900M a year and end up with less debt and a healthy bank balance. Who's taking the losses? I'm just wondering if there's a part to the CVA that comes back to bite you once the club starts making money again?

HoreTore
21-10-2010, 01:23
"Who's taking the losses?"

Glazer?

mrdanbartlett
25-10-2010, 14:12
Ok update from me.

I took over Man Utd when they got promoted back to the championship, the debt is around 80m (via CLA), got rid of the entire squad and started from scratch with freebies and cheap players - built a half decent team on fairly low wages. (prob 250k p/w). 'Daddied' the league, over 100 points etc. However I was losing 3m a month due to ground costs and other random costs, even though I was getting 50-70,000 most games.

The AWESOME thing is, my balance went from 10m to 50m pre season, purely from sponsorship and season ticket sales, I spent 20m on players too and its still 50m come first game!

Will see how it goes, I'm semi-determined to keep wages low ish, I made one massive signing (Walter for 18m and 60k p/w) but everybody else is on ALOT less. Will aim to keep below 500k p/w until in the C/L and then stick to 800k p/w max.

Future looks bright, got some great coaches on the cheap, sponsors love us and so do the fans.

samdiatmh
25-10-2010, 14:56
looks epic

did some research into this CVA thing and...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trading_while_insolvent_%28UK%29#Company_Voluntary _Arrangement_.28CVA.29

apparently it is so a company can never go broke

mrdanbartlett
25-10-2010, 15:07
Yeah as others have said it can work quite well for clearing debts abnd then starting over again.

I generally aim to have a world class starting 11 and a strong 2nd team full of quality youngsters. Then when the 1st team players starting wanting big money I move them on and repalce with the now developed youth player, and bring in more youth. Its a constantly circle but works well as long as you keep buying the best 16/17 year olds and developing them.

wackettdagenham
25-10-2010, 16:02
Why stop at getting Man Utd in the BSP. If you have the Level 11 mod by superbladesman that would be much more interesting and get them relegated to there.

mrdanbartlett
25-10-2010, 16:08
Not heard of that mod.

The thing was I couldn't get them below LG1 as they produce too many good youngsters and can attract decent loan players. They were spending 3m+ on wages but still had fairly decent sponsorship and 45,000 season ticket holders. Also they kept going into admin and then via CLA they would reduce the debt, at one point I saw it go as low as 20m.

You'd have to constantly take them over, shaft them, lose 20 games, get sacked, repeat. Could be done but would be a major effort and as soon as you stopped doing it then they would just start coming back up again.

MerseysideRed1
25-10-2010, 16:10
I tried with City in FM10. Loads of cash, goal was to make them bankrupt asap by buying as many players as possible.

Finances plummeted really, really quick. Thing about it was I was still winning games, so kept my job. Will get back to the save to see how badly I can ruin their financial position :)

mrdanbartlett
25-10-2010, 16:14
I tried with City in FM10. Loads of cash, goal was to make them bankrupt asap by buying as many players as possible.

Finances plummeted really, really quick. Thing about it was I was still winning games, so kept my job. Will get back to the save to see how badly I can ruin their financial position :)

BAH! Clearly you signed GOOD players......sell the top ones for 0, sign up Blue Square rejects on 5 year deals for SILLY money. That way the players will never leave and the club is saddled with massive wage bill. Sign 60-100 of these players. Ensure they are 25, i.e won't turn out good and yioung enough to see out their monstor deals.

MerseysideRed1
25-10-2010, 16:17
BAH! Clearly you signed GOOD players......sell the top ones for 0, sign up Blue Square rejects on 5 year deals for SILLY money. That way the players will never leave and the club is saddled with massive wage bill. Sign 60-100 of these players. Ensure they are 25, i.e won't turn out good and yioung enough to see out their monstor deals.

Sounds like a good plan.

Maybe offer the varying clubs 10m for each useless player? :D

I find Man City the most fun if you want to take a club and drag them to depths of hell.

mrdanbartlett
25-10-2010, 16:20
Read over this thread for my tips.

Offer whatever really as long as you spend your entire transfer budget. Obv put them on massive signing on fee's, appearce fees and don't forget the 25% yearly wage rise, that is a real screwer.

dustygator
25-10-2010, 18:13
What would happen if you were to get Barca or Villareal relegated and their reserve teams promoted? Their reserve teams are in Liga Adelante and can't get promoted due to the rule where reserve teams can't play in the same level as the main team. Would Barca B be in La Liga and Barca in Adelante or would Barca B somehow end up in the 3rd level, a level below the main team?

marcftm
25-10-2010, 18:42
Indeed! Speaking as an Ipswich Fan I can agree that Bramble in any team = trouble. He will generally play ok for 99% of the match but there WILL be a moment in the game when he makes a big mistake, which will usually cost you. Dodgy backpass, going to sleep etc. Ahhhh good old Bramble!

Defo the best deal in the history of our club to get 6m for him, we fleeced stoke for 3m for Walters recently but Bramble for 6m is ridiculous.

If you're living in the past, then yeah.

evertonmarc
25-10-2010, 18:46
Indeed! Speaking as an Ipswich Fan I can agree that Bramble in any team = trouble. He will generally play ok for 99% of the match but there WILL be a moment in the game when he makes a big mistake, which will usually cost you. Dodgy backpass, going to sleep etc. Ahhhh good old Bramble!

Defo the best deal in the history of our club to get 6m for him, we fleeced stoke for 3m for Walters recently but Bramble for 6m is ridiculous.

i remember a few years back against Everton, Bramble was over in the left back position with Andy Johnson breathing down his neck, he attempted a back pass, TOTALLY missed and ended up on his ar$e, leaving johnson with a clear run on goal. What a LEG-END.
Anyway, back to the story MrDan, keep the info rolling!!!

mrdanbartlett
26-10-2010, 09:06
What would happen if you were to get Barca or Villareal relegated and their reserve teams promoted? Their reserve teams are in Liga Adelante and can't get promoted due to the rule where reserve teams can't play in the same level as the main team. Would Barca B be in La Liga and Barca in Adelante or would Barca B somehow end up in the 3rd level, a level below the main team?

Good question, I guess you or someone needs to give it a go. I'd assume that the B team just would be blocked from getting promotion. Just a guess.

jayahr
26-10-2010, 11:06
What would happen if you were to get Barca or Villareal relegated and their reserve teams promoted? Their reserve teams are in Liga Adelante and can't get promoted due to the rule where reserve teams can't play in the same level as the main team. Would Barca B be in La Liga and Barca in Adelante or would Barca B somehow end up in the 3rd level, a level below the main team?

Irl, my guess is that the B team would win promotion and the 1st team would be relegated. The B team is only blocked from promotion as long as the first team is in the league to which they would be promoted. If the first team is relegated, the B eam would normally face auto-relegation for the same reason, but when being promoted I think they should be promoted.
Which would in practise of course result in the A team not being relegated...