The attribute 'Flair'...

was does it mean and do?

I've been told this is a good attribute for a striker but how?

Thanks in advance.

Most people do think that it is a important attribute for a striker, but I think its more important for your creative minded players - attacking midfielders. Yes it would be desirable for a striker but not a must. Flair as I see it is the ability to do the specacular, produce a goal out of nothing - a moment of brilliance that most footballers are just are not capable of doing. Takes your breathe away!

thanks for explaining that mate. i had a fantastic striker in fm09 buit his flair was only 13 if i remember but he always scored 25-38 goals in serie A.

I'll now start applying this attribute more to AMCs and not focus 'as' much with it on strikers.

thanks for explaining that mate. i had a fantastic striker in fm09 buit his flair was only 13 if i remember but he always scored 25-38 goals in serie A.

I'll now start applying this attribute more to AMCs and not focus 'as' much with it on strikers.

I had Sergio Aguero and he had a very high flair rating - and he would score some magical goals - such as beating a few players or scoring a 30 yard screamer. But I'd say most people do look at flair for strikers - an out and out poacher, target man there is not much need for flair as he will probably be the last man , but for a treq and other players who command alot of the ball then 'flair' is quite important.

so this would apply to players like Kaka and C Ronaldo for example as they can create goals from nothing?

i think it fits perfectly for players like di maria - in a match where the ooponent is super defensive, he can take the ball and create goals from nothing

so this would apply to players like Kaka and C Ronaldo for example as they can create goals from nothing?

Yes that would be true - someone like Rooney would have prett high flair but someone like Ruud Van Nistelrooy would have pretty low flair. Lots of AM/FW have high flair or that seems to be the most common position that has high flair ratings in FM.

I always thought the attribute, "Flair" had something to do with how good they do the, "Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo"

I always thought the attribute, "Flair" had something to do with how good they do the, "Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo"

Took me a few secs then it clicked!!!

Took me a few secs then it clicked!!!

lol same here.

Flair is a players tendency for the flamboyant or challenging moves, so high Flair is very desireable for players you want to produce that "bit of magic" in your team.

Think of it like an attribute that defines part of a players Personality on the pitch. If someone has low Flair, they are going to keep it simple, which means no beautifully chipped throughballs from your playmaker for example.

So while someone like Carrick is not far off having the same playmaker ability as Xavi he is nowhere near as good as Xavi on the pitch in FM because he doesn't try the difficult or flamboyant passes despite having the ability to pull them off.

I always thought the attribute, "Flair" had something to do with how good they do the, "Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo"

to be the man you beat the man Woooo!.

BACK on topic, I'm not rally to bothered about flair, Good player don't really need it

BACK on topic, I'm not rally to bothered about flair, Good player don't really need it

High Flair is very important in good attacking players. Do you want a Longshot specialist that wont shoot from range? A Free Kick specialist that wont try to get the ball over the wall and dip into the top corner? A playmaker that wont try difficult passes? A cultured striker that wont try to curl the ball around the goalkeeper? A winger that wont take players on?

Ofcourse not.

High Flair is very important in good attacking players. Do you want a Longshot specialist that wont shoot from range? A Free Kick specialist that wont try to get the ball over the wall and dip into the top corner? A playmaker that wont try difficult passes? A cultured striker that wont try to curl the ball around the goalkeeper? A winger that wont take players on?

Ofcourse not.

Whether a winger has 1 or 20 for flair - that attribute should not effect a winger trying to go past the full back - the same for a free kick taker and flair - how does a players flair effect the sucess of a free kick? Or the beating the keeper - surely once a player has a chance surley his finishing ability and technique, composure comes more into play. I do think flair has its moments but flair IRL is or are few and far between.

Flair

How likely he is to try the unexpected.

There you go.

There you go.

thank you, thats it in a nutshell.

Incidently, I remember reading somewhere that a player with high Flair would attract more media/fan attention, which would improve his value beyond other players with similar overall skill, as well as a boost to club merchandising sales.

Not sure if there's any merit in it, though.

Incidently, I remember reading somewhere that a player with high Flair would attract more media/fan attention, which would improve his value beyond other players with similar overall skill, as well as a boost to club merchandising sales.

Not sure if there's any merit in it, though.

Wow!!!

So..

Flair is the ability to try (and pull off) the unexpected

Creativity is the ability to...

The ability to creative chances for his team - a live wire - will make things happen etc.

I don't think Flair influences the ability to pull a shot/pass/run off, just search every player and order them by Flair, there'll be thousands with 20 that are still rubbish, which isn't the case for Creativity etc.

now im confused.....

I don't think Flair influences the ability to pull a shot/pass/run off, just search every player and order them by Flair, there'll be thousands with 20 that are still rubbish, which isn't the case for Creativity etc.

Have you actually searched for players with 20 for flair? There isn't many at all!

There is only 59 people on the whole game that has 20 flair attribute, out of a whopping 300,000!

I really don't know where you pulled 'thousands' out of? :confused:

this is Flair

Have you actually searched for players with 20 for flair? There isn't many at all!

There is only 59 people on the whole game that has 20 flair attribute, out of a whopping 300,000!

I really don't know where you pulled 'thousands' out of? :confused:

Just checked on mine and there's way fewer than I thought, I stand corrected. However, there doesn't appear to be a link between having high Flair and other high attributes. If a player has a high creativity he'll almost certainly have high passing to go with it, give or take. One of the players (regen) I'm looking at with 20 flair has 1s in decisions, anticipation, creativity, finishing, long shots, crossing, dribbling, passing, technique, there's no link. It's more like aggression, even the worst player can have high aggression, but it doesn't make him a good defender on it's own.

A winger with really high flair like C. Ronaldo would try to do the unexpecteded and beat 3 players before shooting or passing.

While someone with something like 5 flair would be more predictable and simply try to beat 1 defender and cross.

I also think Flair is noticed by fans. Once in the Portuguese 2nd tier I signed Fabio Paim who is an average winger but with very high flair, and the fans were looking forward to seeing him play and show his skills.

Just checked on mine and there's way fewer than I thought, I stand corrected. However, there doesn't appear to be a link between having high Flair and other high attributes. If a player has a high creativity he'll almost certainly have high passing to go with it, give or take. One of the players (regen) I'm looking at with 20 flair has 1s in decisions, anticipation, creativity, finishing, long shots, crossing, dribbling, passing, technique, there's no link. It's more like aggression, even the worst player can have high aggression, but it doesn't make him a good defender on it's own.

Regens with 20 flair doesn't really count tbf. They are usually all terrible.

Check real people with 20 flair.

I always thought Flair and Creativity meant more or less the same thing... And usually players with high flair have high creativity...

Whether a winger has 1 or 20 for flair - that attribute should not effect a winger trying to go past the full back - the same for a free kick taker and flair - how does a players flair effect the sucess of a free kick? Or the beating the keeper - surely once a player has a chance surley his finishing ability and technique, composure comes more into play. I do think flair has its moments but flair IRL is or are few and far between.

Flair affects these things because a player with low Flair taking a Free-Kick is going to try and smash it past/through the wall, while someone with high Flair is going to try and bend it around the wall or over the wall and into the top corner.

Someone with low Flair running past a Fullback will knock the ball past them and sprint onto it. Someone with high Flair might try to beat the Fullback with a trick.

Someone with low Flair hitting a shot at goal is unlikely to try and bend it around the goalkeeper. Someone with high Flair will try and do this.

Flair doesn't affect the success of these moves, it affects whether they are tried or not.

Agree with SFraser, and its why flair in poorer players isn't a good thing. High flair means the player might try an overhead kick, a first time volley, or another trick of some kind, but if he's not good enough to pull it off, he's just going to waste possession for your team. Imagine, for example, Emile Heskey trying the kind of things Messi is capable of.

Ronaldinho is the perfect example of someone with high flair I would say.

I still don't get the difference between Flair and Creativity...

The way I see it is that flair is more to do with skills, so if you have a high flair attribute, you like to do tricks whilst on the ball.

Whereas creativity is more for a player who likes to create a scoring chance for someone by delivering a killer throughball that nobody else, unless they have a high creativity attribute, would be able to do.

I still don't get the difference between Flair and Creativity...

Flair = showboat style skills that may or may not lead to an end product.

Creativity = vision and ability to spot a pass or create space, usually leading to a goal scoring opportunity.

creativity is about seeing chances.

flair is about seeing chances others don't.

There you go.

That's what I was just going to say.

Regens with 20 flair doesn't really count tbf. They are usually all terrible.

Check real people with 20 flair.

The point is though you don't get regens with 20 creativity and 1 passing, but you do with flair, so clearly it's not been designed as a "skill" but more as a "tendency".