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stelly
25-04-2010, 13:41
What processor do you think is better for running Football Manager. An i5 or a Quad Core? And which is the better of the two.

Fawkon
25-04-2010, 14:56
Both should do a pretty awesome job running FM depending on your league numbers and database size.
The i5 are the way of the future tho'

Tim_Cdy
26-04-2010, 07:23
The Lynnfield Core I5 is a Quadcore.

Blanchflower1
26-04-2010, 07:32
What processor do you think is better for running Football Manager. An i5 or a Quad Core? And which is the better of the two.

Both are quad core processors, mate! :D

Blanchflower1
26-04-2010, 07:34
What processor do you think is better for running Football Manager. An i5 or a Quad Core? And which is the better of the two.

But can the game recognize 6 cores? I am intending to buy the latest Intel Core i7-980X processor Extreme Edition so that I can run ALL 51 nations plus load up ALL the leagues in the game at Full detail on a large database! :D Perhaps I will also add in new leagues for good measure as well! :)

Vangelis21
26-04-2010, 07:35
i5.........................

stelly
26-04-2010, 09:19
What do you reckon to this system for FM?

• Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium
• Intel® Core™ i5 processor 750
• 6 GB DDR3
• 1 TB SATA 3G Hard Disk Drive (7200 rpm)
• NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 220 with PureVideo® HD technology
• DVD writer SATA DVD RAM and Double Layer supporting LightScribe technology
• Wireless LAN 802.11 b/g/n

Tim_Cdy
26-04-2010, 09:43
Budget Graphix. The 48 Processing Cores may strugle with GPU dependent games though. Rest seems good. Hopefully the Ram is Tri matched sticks.

stelly
26-04-2010, 09:48
Also I'm sure the I5 computer will be able to handle Mass Effect 2 and Metro and Splinter Cell, surely?

Compare that desktop with this one:

Intel® Core™ 2 Quad-Core Q8300 Processor (2.50GHz, 4MB cache, 1333MHz FSB)
Memory6144MB Dual Channel DDR3 [2x2048 + 2x1024] Memory
ATI Radeon™ HD 5450 1GB DDR3 graphics

Welshace
26-04-2010, 10:44
graphics are bit more robust in the second specs ....

that processor can be overclocked a good measure too...

but i5's are brilliantly good..

im in the market for a budget gaming pc too... around the £500 - 600 mark... so we'll see

Barside
26-04-2010, 11:31
But can the game recognize 6 cores? I am intending to buy the latest Intel Core i7-980X processor Extreme Edition so that I can run ALL 51 nations plus load up ALL the leagues in the game at Full detail on a large database! :D Perhaps I will also add in new leagues for good measure as well! :)
The i7 might be capable of running all leagues but having tried with my o/c i7 I've come to the conclusion that the FM software can no longer cope with an all league game, this is quite annoying as my old Kentfield cpu & FM07/08 managed this just fine.

Blanchflower1
26-04-2010, 12:03
The i7 might be capable of running all leagues but having tried with my o/c i7 I've come to the conclusion that the FM software can no longer cope with an all league game, this is quite annoying as my old Kentfield cpu & FM07/08 managed this just fine.

But FM 2010 contains the same number of leagues as FM 2007 or 2008, isn't it?

stelly
26-04-2010, 12:55
I've found a £749 i5 gaming PC from HP. Problem is though you have to buy the monitor seperately but I suppose it's worth it. What do you reckon?

jameswibbs
26-04-2010, 13:00
a little off topic i can onily run four leauges on my laptop would i need more ram to be able to run more because i onily have 1gb at the moment.

nev147
26-04-2010, 13:21
a little off topic i can onily run four leauges on my laptop would i need more ram to be able to run more because i onily have 1gb at the moment.

It would seem that a RAM upgrade may be needed. Both Ram and the processers effect the speed of FM - what type of processer do you have?

jameswibbs
26-04-2010, 13:25
[QUOTE=nev147;5250334]It would seem that a RAM upgrade may be needed. Both Ram and the processers effect the speed of FM - what type of processer do you have?[/QUOT

i have a Celeron processor 560

Chris Waddle
26-04-2010, 13:46
Well I'm running an i7 920 overclocked to 4gig and it's running the game with 'as near as damn it' all leagues running, large data base and full detail on all of the leagues. The game runs great and I hardly have to wait at all. Generally 2 or 3 seconds is the longest I have to wait. A big, mid/end of season process, may take up to 10 seconds but that's about as long as it ever gets.

Whilst the 980X is a fantastic processor and will be quicker in this game than a stock quad core, it would be rather a waste of money (£830). These chips are designed for the serious nutters who like to run sub zero cooling and compete against each other for the highest overclocks. They aren't designed to be run at stock, which is why they have unlocked multipliers so that you can push it till it canny take no more. I'm not saying don't get one, I'd absolutely love one, but they really don't justify the cost.

It would make far more financial sense to buy an i7 930 (£230), a Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R (£155), 6gig of PC12800 Ram (£190) + 128gig SSD (around £275).
This lot would cost £20 more than the 980X and allow you to overclock the nads off it. You would need improved cooling on it, as the reference Intel fan is pants. Something like the Titan Fenrir (£30) or the Corsair H50-1 (£60) would be ideal. The latter is a self contained water cooling unit and it will keep the CPU cooler.

Whichever route you do go down, make sure you get a bloody good PSU. There is no point in building either system if the PSU isn't up to the job. I'd recommend the Enermax Revolution85+ 850W (£180). Yes £180 is a lot to spend on a PSU but they are worth every penny. Most people think that any old power supply will do. It won't and here's (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/psus/2010/02/22/600-700w-psu-review-round-up/2) a review on a generic 600W PSU to prove it.

I am using Scan Computers (http://www.scan.co.uk/) as reference for the prices. Not always the cheapest, but they have a great selection and very good customer service.

Apart from the CPU, an SSD will give your system a big boost. Not only will the game load and save far quicker, but everything else (hard drive related) will speed up too, this includes booting windows. If you do look at these, then make sure that it runs TRIM. This is vitally important for keeping an SSD running at optimum speeds.

Anyway, good luck.

jameswibbs
26-04-2010, 13:51
Well I'm running an i7 920 overclocked to 4gig and it's running the game with 'as near as damn it' all leagues running, large data base and full detail on all of the leagues. The game runs great and I hardly have to wait at all. Generally 2 or 3 seconds is the longest I have to wait. A big, mid/end of season process, may take up to 10 seconds but that's about as long as it ever gets.

Whilst the 980X is a fantastic processor and will be quicker in this game than a stock quad core, it would be rather a waste of money (£830). These chips are designed for the serious nutters who like to run sub zero cooling and compete against each other for the highest overclocks. They aren't designed to be run at stock, which is why they have unlocked multipliers so that you can push it till it canny take no more. I'm not saying don't get one, I'd absolutely love one, but they really don't justify the cost.

It would make far more financial sense to buy an i7 930 (£230), a Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R (£155), 6gig of PC12800 Ram (£190) + 128gig SSD (around £275).
This lot would cost £20 more than the 980X and allow you to overclock the nads off it. You would need improved cooling on it, as the reference Intel fan is pants. Something like the Titan Fenrir (£30) or the Corsair H50-1 (£60) would be ideal. The latter is a self contained water cooling unit and it will keep the CPU cooler.

Whichever route you do go down, make sure you get a bloody good PSU. There is no point in building either system if the PSU isn't up to the job. I'd recommend the Enermax Revolution85+ 850W (£180). Yes £180 is a lot to spend on a PSU but they are worth every penny. Most people think that any old power supply will do. It won't and here's (http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/psus/2010/02/22/600-700w-psu-review-round-up/2) a review on a generic 600W PSU to prove it.

I am using Scan Computers (http://www.scan.co.uk/) as reference for the prices. Not always the cheapest, but they have a great selection and very good customer service.

Apart from the CPU, an SSD will give your system a big boost. Not only will the game load and save far quicker, but everything else (hard drive related) will speed up too, this includes booting windows. If you do look at these, then make sure that it runs TRIM. This is vitally important for keeping an SSD running at optimum speeds.

Anyway, good luck.

thanks for the advice but dont have idea what u mean has i am not very good with laptops or pc tallk

nev147
26-04-2010, 13:52
It would seem that a RAM upgrade may be needed. Both Ram and the processers effect the speed of FM - what type of processer do you have?[/QUOT

i have a Celeron processor 560

Ok just had a look and that is a single core processer. I dont know a lot about laptops but having recently purchased one I learnt quite a bit recently.

Becasue you only have a single core processer (most laptops have at least a dual core processer now) then you dont have agreat deal of processing power as technology is improving so rapidly that a single core processer is not great to be honest, and as I had one in my last laptop and I had 512mb of RAM and FM2010 was pretty much unplayable as I was below the minimum specifications.

But whether or not it is worth buying extra RAM - I don't know - becasue you have only a single core - but getting some extra RAM will help but I'm not quite sure to the extent of the benefit that the extra RAM will have based on your single processer.

If you dont want to buy a new laptop (not that I'm saying you need to) then I would guess the next best thing would be to buy some RAM - which I believe you can get pretty cheaply at the right place.

But don't feel you need to buy a 'super computer' to play FM as a lot of people do. I bought a Dell Inspiron 1545 dual core, 2.20GHZ with 4GB RAM and it is more than capable of playing FM at a very good level IMO.

jameswibbs
26-04-2010, 13:56
my laptop is a Aspire 5315 which i have had about a year but its with a contract so when it ends i am going to upgrade it.

nev147
26-04-2010, 14:01
my laptop is a Aspire 5315 which i have had about a year but its with a contract so when it ends i am going to upgrade it.

Ok cool - but forgive me but when you say upgrade in a year - what does that mean?

Do you mean you can get a new computer in a year or does it mean you can increase the RAM etc or will you be able to do that now (in the short term) and change in the future?

jameswibbs
26-04-2010, 14:05
i can get a new laptop when the contract runs out.so do u think i should go to a pc shop and ask them to add the stuff you said?

nev147
26-04-2010, 14:17
i can get a new laptop when the contract runs out.so do u think i should go to a pc shop and ask them to add the stuff you said?

Oh right if you can get a new laptop in a year then thats great! If the speed is pretty poor then I would say get some extra RAM but I must emphasise I don't now a great deal about computers in terms of general knowledge but as I said having bought a laptop a few weeks ago I learnt quite alot in relation to the power/speed and how this will be of benefit to FM.

A mate of mine bought some RAM on the internet - got it delivered - and opened the bottom of his laptop and put the strip in for it to work - I don't know if you could do this, I dont know how but he said it was pretty simple and It was very cheap - cant remember exactly but it was at most £15 and maybe less. But if you go to PC shop then it may cost quite a bit more but I just don't know. I would say getting 2GB RAM added to the original 1GB RAM that you have. I would have said say maybe getting 3GB of RAM more instead of 2GB RAM more but as you are getting a new laptop in around a year then the more RAM you get the less monetary value effective it becomes - if that makes sense - a sort of apportunity cost as you will be getting a new laptop - so I would say getting 3GB more may be a waste in light of the new laptop in the future.

So I would say getting 2GB RAM put into your laptop - but this is just my advise and only that. :)

jameswibbs
26-04-2010, 14:25
Oh right if you can get a new laptop in a year then thats great! If the speed is pretty poor then I would say get some extra RAM but I must emphasise I don't now a great deal about computers in terms of general knowledge but as I said having bought a laptop a few weeks ago I learnt quite alot in relation to the power/speed and how this will be of benefit to FM.

A mate of mine bought some RAM on the internet - got it delivered - and opened the bottom of his laptop and put the strip in for it to work - I don't know if you could do this, I dont know how but he said it was pretty simple and It was very cheap - cant remember exactly but it was at most £15 and maybe less. But if you go to PC shop then it may cost quite a bit more but I just don't know. I would say getting 2GB RAM added to the original 1GB RAM that you have. I would have said say maybe getting 3GB of RAM more instead of 2GB RAM more but as you are getting a new laptop in around a year then the more RAM you get the less monetary value effective it becomes - if that makes sense - a sort of apportunity cost as you will be getting a new laptop - so I would say getting 3GB more may be a waste in light of the new laptop in the future.

So I would say getting 2GB RAM put into your laptop - but this is just my advise and only that. :)

thank you for the advice mate very helpfull.

nev147
26-04-2010, 14:34
thank you for the advice mate very helpfull.

No worries - I'll just add I guess it depends on the monetary value of the extra RAM and what you are prepared to pay for increased speed of FM for a year.

For example and depending on your financial situation - If extra 2GB RAM would cost £50 to buy and get installed and would increase the performance of FM then that for me would be good value for money - just over £4 per month in order to help improve the FM speed - then that sounds very good. The more expensive the less appealing it becomes. So I guess its a happy medium.

There is also something called 'game booster' which helps improve the performance of FM - it worth a try. Its a free programme that you can download!

jameswibbs
26-04-2010, 14:43
i would be willing to pay £50 for fm to be able to run more leauges and run faster again thank you for your help.

nev147
26-04-2010, 14:45
i would be willing to pay £50 for fm to be able to run more leauges and run faster again thank you for your help.

Always a pleasure never a chore!!! ;):D

Tim_Cdy
26-04-2010, 17:06
Oh right if you can get a new laptop in a year then thats great! If the speed is pretty poor then I would say get some extra RAM but I must emphasise I don't now a great deal about computers in terms of general knowledge but as I said having bought a laptop a few weeks ago I learnt quite alot in relation to the power/speed and how this will be of benefit to FM.

A mate of mine bought some RAM on the internet - got it delivered - and opened the bottom of his laptop and put the strip in for it to work - I don't know if you could do this, I dont know how but he said it was pretty simple and It was very cheap - cant remember exactly but it was at most £15 and maybe less. But if you go to PC shop then it may cost quite a bit more but I just don't know. I would say getting 2GB RAM added to the original 1GB RAM that you have. I would have said say maybe getting 3GB of RAM more instead of 2GB RAM more but as you are getting a new laptop in around a year then the more RAM you get the less monetary value effective it becomes - if that makes sense - a sort of apportunity cost as you will be getting a new laptop - so I would say getting 3GB more may be a waste in light of the new laptop in the future.

So I would say getting 2GB RAM put into your laptop - but this is just my advise and only that. :)

Just make sure that you check how any slots you have populated already and at what speed the lappy supports and what speed your current Ram is. That is important, get it wrong and at worst the new stuff won't work, and at best, it will step down. Anywho good luck with the upgrade

http://www.offtek.co.uk/

Tim_Cdy
26-04-2010, 17:12
I've found a £749 i5 gaming PC from HP. Problem is though you have to buy the monitor seperately but I suppose it's worth it. What do you reckon?

I would not, then that would be personal bias. I would build my own. It is up to you mate, if you do go the route of the mass builders (as I term it) you are getting mass stocked built rigs. However, Scan would offer you a rig that is in essense, built with cherry picked components. Ie the best of the current best. HP would just mass order mobos or more likely have thier own branded models.

In terms of the monitor, if you can wait, get the base unit first and save up for a biggie samsung for a later purchase.

EDIT. BTW. As above, don't forget the PSU. As CW suggested, Enermax along with Antec, build awsome units. You want a True Power unit and not some generic tripe.

stelly
26-04-2010, 19:06
I quite like HP though. It's a good computer spec, dear but you know.

Tim_Cdy
27-04-2010, 06:13
I quite like HP though. It's a good computer spec, dear but you know.

Whatever you decide to do, just do the usual. Check upgrade options and what you have to do to do so. Any break downs proceedures etc.. and what the warranty covers.

stelly
27-04-2010, 16:58
Tell me about it. I've had to send back two DELL PC's as both arrived faulty. I'm going to invest in a decent HP gaming PC now.

Tim_Cdy
27-04-2010, 19:14
Tell me about it. I've had to send back two DELL PC's as both arrived faulty. I'm going to invest in a decent HP gaming PC now.

Yeah I hear ya on Dell. Check out the latest edition of PC Pro. Got it myself but not with me. An HP Gaming Rig reviewed.

stelly
27-04-2010, 20:15
What do you think of the HP Gaming Rig I presented in this forum? My brother says it's overpriced this that and the other, he's probably right. But most things are overpriced. He paid 8,000 for a car he never drives! LOL

Tim_Cdy
28-04-2010, 15:35
Also I'm sure the I5 computer will be able to handle Mass Effect 2 and Metro and Splinter Cell, surely?

Compare that desktop with this one:

Intel® Core™ 2 Quad-Core Q8300 Processor (2.50GHz, 4MB cache, 1333MHz FSB)
Memory6144MB Dual Channel DDR3 [2x2048 + 2x1024] Memory
ATI Radeon™ HD 5450 1GB DDR3 graphics

It is always difficult to determine what is expensive from my perspective. The components specified may well be more expensive to aquire as seperates, in fact they would be.

I personally would go no lower than a Q9### series, but that will do you. Hopefully the Ram will be able to match the FSB on 1.1 divider. That will give optimum system performance.

The only other thing would have been an SSD. You can buy one these days without even worrying about features. The only one you need is TRIM and Windows 7 has that as native support so you could get a lower end model for gaming at some future point.

stelly
30-04-2010, 08:54
Oh, the Q8300 computer from DELL got sent back. The motherboard was broke upon arrival. I'm going with the i5-750 processor from HP. I've seen benchmarks and the i5-750 is significantly faster and is even closer to the i7.

Tim_Cdy
02-05-2010, 04:40
Oh, the Q8300 computer from DELL got sent back. The motherboard was broke upon arrival. I'm going with the i5-750 processor from HP. I've seen benchmarks and the i5-750 is significantly faster and is even closer to the i7.

Closer on stock yeah, but once those 920's start ramping up.. Have got a link for the HP?

beezer1967
02-05-2010, 05:04
Hi lads,

not very clued up on computer spec,but looking to buy a fast laptop,

would this play FM fast?

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/hp-pavilion-dv6-2115sa-04127303-pdt.html

any advice much appreciated.

cheers

SI_Saga
02-05-2010, 14:46
Hi lads,

not very clued up on computer spec,but looking to buy a fast laptop,

would this play FM fast?

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/hp-pavilion-dv6-2115sa-04127303-pdt.html

any advice much appreciated.


With everything maxed out... no. Then again, no laptop on earth (at the time of this writing) would (with, maybe, a rare overpriced exception or two).

With half a dozen leagues, and small or medium db, and average detail... sure, should do the trick.

Portables never were, aren't, and probably never will be good choices for gamer... unless you REALLY have to play on the move, or live in a small shed with no room for a proper PC.

My two cents... cheers.

Tim_Cdy
02-05-2010, 18:48
The AMD Turion is weak against a Core 2 Duo, let alone a Core Series. Nah, go for a similar priced Core I3. The threading capability is what you want. Intel mate.

beezer1967
04-05-2010, 14:01
Desktop it is then,
any decent ones out there that could handle all leagues in max detail?
cheers

stelly
04-05-2010, 20:16
The HP computer is as follows;

HP Pavilion Elite HPE-150uk Desktop PC plus HP Gaming Mouse, Digital Headset and EA Game* (BWE150AAHM)

Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium
Intel® Core™ i5 processor 750
6 GB DDR3
NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 220 with PureVideo® HD technology
1 TB SATA 3G Hard Disk Drive (7200 rpm)
DVD writer SATA DVD RAM and Double Layer supporting LightScribe technology
Wireless LAN 802.11 b/g/n PCI-Ex1 minicard

beezer1967
04-05-2010, 20:47
excuse my ignorance,
but would that run all leagues on max?

SI_Saga
05-05-2010, 00:45
excuse my ignorance,
but would that run all leagues on max?

Theoretically, most modern PCs could do it... but sloooow. I'm talking of waiting 30 minutes or more until you can take control of the game and be able to do something.

In practice, what's "playable" then is a bit subjective.

Personally, I'd avoid anything that rates below the following:

- Good dual-core CPU (quad-core preferably).
Examples:
1 - "AMD Phenom II X4 945" (quad-core with excelent price/performance ratio)
2 - "Intel i3 530" (cheapest, but only 2-core... not a big issue if overclocking)
3 - "Intel i5 750" (ideal quad-core, but more expensive than the other two alternatives above)

- 4GB or RAM (6 or 8 preferably, especially if running Windows Vista or 7)

- High-performance 7200rpm hard drive (SSD preferably... but they're obscenely expensive atm)

Most computer retailers I know allow you to choose your components and assemble the PC for a small fee. It's usually a much more cost-effective option then simply to buy off the shelf because, more often than not, you'll be paying for components you don't need (or aren't optimal).

More specific advice would depend on how much you're willing to spend, and where you live. Hope this helps, anyway.

beezer1967
05-05-2010, 04:31
Thanks mate,
that does help me as i don't know to much about pc's,
i will bear all that in mind when choosing.
thanks again.

tuan33
05-05-2010, 05:41
To tell you the truth. I feel like you're overpaying by quite a bit by buying a prebuilt computer. Most of these prebuilts have crap for a motherboard and Power supply. For the same price you can get mid-top of the line stuff and if you don't know how to put it all together. Look on craiglist and they'll put it together for you for maybe 20-30 dollars at most.

fuzzrab
05-05-2010, 05:58
Hi Guys i was wondering if any of the computetr experts can tell me if this is any good? I went to a sytsem build place with what i wanted and they changed a few things to be compatible with other components. They seemed pretty good but just want an informed opinion of wehter or not this is good. I only really play FM and a few other games so dont need a beast of a computer.


Three Year On site warranty(for $0-$3000)Umart System Build Only
Microsoft Windows VistaHomePremium 64bit w 7 UPG(OEM)buy w Hardware
Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007 Retail box Can be install on 3
Microsoft Black Value Pack Keyboard&mouse
LG DVD22X+- DUAL LAYER DVD Rewriter with Software(GH22NP20) Black
Intel CORE 2 QUAD Q9550/2.83GHz/12MB CACHE/1333MHz FSB/LGA775
Hitachi 500G SATA 7200RPM
GSkill 4G(2x2G) DDR3 1333 PC10666 (F3-10666CL9D-4GBNQ)
Gigabyte GF9400GT 512MB DDR2 PCIE2.0
Computer System
Asus Wireless BT21 mini USB Bluetooth Doogle
Asus VH192D 18.5 inch Wide 5ms D-Sub Black
Asus P5KPL-1600 S775 QuadCore G31 FSB1600
Antec TriCool 120mm Blue LED Case Fan with 3-Speed Switch

thanks for any help. :thup:

santy001
05-05-2010, 07:01
The i7 920 is a really good processor, with a H50 water cooling, some people have been getting reasonable temperatures (around 50/60) at 3.8ghz overclock, before adjusting voltages and whatnot too just doing the relatively basic stuff. Few claimants of 4.2/4.3ghz out of the Nehalem 920's because of their microarchitecture apparently making them easier to upgrade further than the 930 as well as costing quite a bit less at the moment.

That computer you have is going to struggle compared to a later chipset, as you can see the LGA775 and that quad core processor still makes use of an FSB and the cores will be slower to interact with each other. It's alright, but it depends on what price its coming at. The GFX card isn't too great, I had either a 9400 or 9800 in my old Vista PC, and it began to struggle with WoW on high settings. ATI gfx cards are generally at the moment better value for money.

The RAM is pretty decent at 1333Mhz, since you won't be overclocking though (I presume if you aren't too sure of what that spec means) PC12800 RAM might be better since its 1600Mhz but whether your motherboard will support it or not is a different matter lol.

As for the i7 980x, I think everyone would love one, 6 cores and 12 threads if memory serves right. A few people have complained they've struggled to get it above 3.8/3.9ghz because of cooling issues though, I'm not the most immersed in the overclocking society, I just do my own computer without reading up on what everyone else is doing, other than when I need to do something new lol.

Apparently though, it reaches its throttling temperatures far too soon when overclocked without some pretty damn good cooling, to get the most out of it it will probably need one of those liquid metal coolers which are quite scarce or a very well rigged up home-made watercooling system. A sheer abundance of case cooling would be needed too.

beezer1967
05-05-2010, 13:15
To tell you the truth. I feel like you're overpaying by quite a bit by buying a prebuilt computer. Most of these prebuilts have crap for a motherboard and Power supply. For the same price you can get mid-top of the line stuff and if you don't know how to put it all together. Look on craiglist and they'll put it together for you for maybe 20-30 dollars at most.

Do you know of any places that build them to order?

SI_Saga
05-05-2010, 23:40
Hi Guys i was wondering if any of the computetr experts can tell me if this is any good? I went to a sytsem build place with what i wanted and they changed a few things to be compatible with other components. They seemed pretty good but just want an informed opinion of wehter or not this is good. I only really play FM and a few other games so dont need a beast of a computer.


Given the above info... I think you can do better. You haven't mentioned how much all of that will cost you but, regardless, it can't be cheap enough to warrant it.

First of all, the technology is outadated... the configuration uses old technology (socket 775) and Windows Vista with 7 upgrade is an invitation for trouble. It seems more like they're trying to unload some old stuff that's not selling.

Also, OpenOffice can easily replace Microsoft Office for most people... and if you really need Microsoft Office, then get 2010 version.

As I told beezer, for more specific advice, it's best to say how much you're willing to spend, and which country you're in (UK, USA, somewhere else in Europe, etc).


Do you know of any places that build them to order?

Where do you live (I'm assuming Scotland, but could be wrong)? How much are you willing to spend? Do you need a full configuration (includes monitor, speakers, keyboard, mouse, etc) or just a new tower?

santy001
06-05-2010, 08:52
Places like novatech, cclonline and overclockers are good to check out, they all have varying systems and bundles, some like CCL will put it together for you after you've selected the components you want the other 2 have pre-builts available with one or two options you can choose to change.

If you put up your ideal budget, then I'd look around a few sites, point you in the direction of a few good deals and I'm sure others could do the same with sites they use too. An i3 or i5 genuinely is the way to go at the moment, well providing an i7 isn't within your budget.

Eme Alberta
06-05-2010, 11:28
I'd like to play about 9 to 15 leagues with about a medium database. I've found three computers and there is a significant difference in price. Would they all be able to handle my requirements or would I be significantly better off getting the third option.

1st:

Processor AMD Athlon™ II X3 425 Processor
- 2.7 GHz
- 2.0 GHz HT (4000 MT/s)
- 3 x 512 KB L2 cache
Operating System Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium
RAM 3072 MB DDR2
Graphics card NVIDIA GeForce 7100 integrated graphics
Hard drive 320GB SATA 5400rpm


2nd:

Processor AMD Sempron™ Processor 140
- 2.7 GHz
- 1.6 GHz HT
- 1 MB L2 cache
Operating System Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium
RAM - 2GB
- DDR2
Graphics card Integrated
Screen type None
Hard drive 320 GB SATA 7200 rpm

3rd:

Processor AMD Phenom™ II X2 545 Processor
- 3.0 GHz
- 2.0 GHz HT (4000 MT/s)
- 6 MB L3 Cache
Operating System Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium
RAM - 4GB
- DDR2
- maximum RAM 4GB
Graphics card ATI Radeon HD 4650
- 1GB dedicated memory
Screen type None
Hard drive 500GB SATA 7200rpm

santy001
06-05-2010, 12:05
How much are you looking to spend overall? Like I said, those systems aren't too great, the 3rd is a terrible system, looks only to be 32bit but the gfx card is semi-decent. Like I said, if you give a ball park figure people can let you know whats best.

Chris Waddle
06-05-2010, 12:29
Do you know of any places that build them to order?

If you are looking for a system that is built to order then these (http://3xs.scan.co.uk/) people build a great system. Granted they might look more expensive than something you can get from elsewhere, but all of the parts are of high quality. They don't build systems where one part is top of the range and the rest are bottom of the barrell to make the price look good.

If you look at what you get in one of these systems, then they are pretty good value. Of course it's not as cheap as buying the parts and building it yourself, but you do get excellent after sales service from these guys too. They will even overclock the system for you.

Eme Alberta
06-05-2010, 13:15
How much are you looking to spend overall? Like I said, those systems aren't too great, the 3rd is a terrible system, looks only to be 32bit but the gfx card is semi-decent. Like I said, if you give a ball park figure people can let you know whats best.

I'd say that my max would be about £600. However, I was told that sometimes the desktops around the £300 to £400 mark are just as good as some of the more expensive ones so advice from those who are more clued up would be great.

santy001
06-05-2010, 14:11
If you are building your own, you definitely can save that much if not more. The problem with pre-builts is you don't get the components where you want, for example if you only play FM and aren't much into other games you only need a very basic £30/£40 gfx card, but more expensive bundles have ones treble if not more that in them.

If you don't play a lot of other games besides FM, I'd say don't look at gaming PC's because they usually have a gfx card around 25% of the cost of the entire system inside. The more you let people know about what you're looking for, the more they can help you.

On Novatech for example who are pretty decent, their best gaming system listed is the iForge at £1249.99, which is for the pc with no speakers, monitor or operating system. So all of those would take it up to about £1600. They have the lowest end i7 core there, low end DDR3 RAM, a relatively poor case and a sort-of-ok power supply. The gfx card in it is pretty good, but ATI are doing ones on par with it for a third of the price, and the gfx card comes in at almost £400. So with that, its sort of a good system, but the processor, RAM and motherboard (not even listed as what component) mean you get so much less for your money.

I've just myself the components to build a new pc and I've spent around £1200 so its a similar cost to that system. For that I've got a high-end cooler (cosair H50 watercooler), a much better ventilated case, an i7 920 which overclocks way better than the 860 and is better in general. A comparable gfx card in the ATI Radeon 5750 which cost about £120. The PSU is better, I've also bought 2 more case fans to enhance cooling, as well as speakers at £45, an operating system at £80 and a monitor at £300 so the components to get a better system than what they're offering for £1200 has cost me about £760 so I've saved £450 by building it myself, with better parts .

Novatech are one of the better ones too, at PC world and currys for a comparable system to that iForge from Novatech, you're probably talking another few hundred quid on top of that.

As I said though, the more you let us know about what you want and what else you want to do the better the system can be for you. I play a host of games, which need a better gfx card I don't play any that are top of the line and overly demanding but have picked a card I can overclock easily in a year or two, and keep me happy for a good while yet. If you just play FM, then sack the gfx card and get some tri-channel RAM at around 1600Mhz but most pre-built systems don't offer that unfortunately.

Unluckily for people who don't know how to build computers, pre-built systems brutally punish you for that lack of knowledge. Depending on how much you do know, a motherboard bundle and then plugging a disc drive, hdd and some RAM might not be too hard but you would also have to wire up the power supply which could be quite tricky.

If you have any mates who know what they're doing, talking to them offering them £20 - £30 to put it together and then ask them what parts are best you would benefit enormously. If you aren't in a hurry, and are happy enough with your current monitor, keyboard and mouse I would suggest saving up to about £720 and buying http://www.cclonline.com/product-info.asp?product_id=47336&category_id=1155&manufacturer_id=0&tid=cobra

It's pre-overclocked and got 1600Mhz RAM, a good processor cooler. If you already have a copy of windows 7 or something you could transfer it to that PC, or buy it and shop around as its bound to be available cheaper somewhere else. The processor is only a dual core, but it has 4 processing threads, and at 4.0ghz would be good enough for the next few years.

SI_Saga
06-05-2010, 17:05
I'd like to play about 9 to 15 leagues with about a medium database. I've found three computers and there is a significant difference in price. Would they all be able to handle my requirements or would I be significantly better off getting the third option.

They will all run what you want, albeit a tad on the slow side, I believe.

The 1st option is horrible because of the slow Hard Drive. The 2nd option is horrible because it has a very slow CPU. The 3rd option is the best, but not ideal by any means (for instance, you can't upgrade your RAM... those 4GB are all you'll ever have - and with Windows Vista or 7, that'll become a problem).


I was told that sometimes the desktops around the £300 to £400 mark are just as good as some of the more expensive ones

The whole "high-quality" parts is usually just a gimmick as they're not really any better than most of the cheaper ones (exceptions do apply, though). Still, for those values ((£300-400), I'm sure you'd be missing out on something when compared to something along the lines of the £600 mark.


I'd say that my max would be about £600.

Ok, here's an example (from Novatech):

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- AMD Phenom II X4 925 (£115)
- Asus M4A78LT-M (£57)
- 2x Novatech 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-10666C9 1333MHz (£170)
- Novatech Iris Tower Case - Black -NO PSU (£19)
- Novatech 550W (£20)
- Samsung Spin Point F3 1TB - 32MB Cache - 7200rpm (£62)
- Samsung S223C (£16)
- Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit DVD - OEM (£75)

TOTAL = £534
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This is assuming you don't need peripherals, of course. The above configuration gives you lots of room for upgrading later (double the RAM, dedicated Graphics Card, new CPU, etc).

I'm not sure if they assemble the PC for you, so I've left some room for any fee they may charge for it (couldn't find any info about that in their site).

It's just an example, though. Hope it helps you stick to the right track.

stelly
07-05-2010, 09:50
I wouldn't bother with an i7. I've gone with an i5-750 and it's closer to the i7's than anything else, if you read the benchmarks. It's really fast and sweet the i5-750 and the 6DDR3 RAM is perfect.

santy001
07-05-2010, 10:28
I wouldn't bother with an i7. I've gone with an i5-750 and it's closer to the i7's than anything else, if you read the benchmarks. It's really fast and sweet the i5-750 and the 6DDR3 RAM is perfect.

That depends on your budget, the 750 is close, but the i7 920 (which is great for overclocking) is the same price. I expect to get my 920 operating at around at least 3.7/3.8ghz hoping to get closer to 4ghz mind you. It all comes down to what you want to pay and what you want to do. With the eventual addition of an SSD and a few other things I hope to have a very fast PC lol.

Remco
07-05-2010, 13:55
But can the game recognize 6 cores? I am intending to buy the latest Intel Core i7-980X processor Extreme Edition so that I can run ALL 51 nations plus load up ALL the leagues in the game at Full detail on a large database! :D Perhaps I will also add in new leagues for good measure as well! :)

Don't try. You'll be disappointed with the results.

beezer1967
10-05-2010, 16:15
thanks for all the advice lads.
it's appreciated.