[iPhone] First FMH update now available for download (now available Worldwide)

It's already available in the Argentine store, at least. Do you need to start a new game for these changes have an effect?

Will the next update fix the two errors I mentioned in other threads:

- The South American Copa Libertadores final should be two-legged, with extra-time and penalties, no away goals rule

- The relegation from Brazilian National Second and from the Brazilian São Paulo State Championship is not working properly as most of the teams that are supposed to get relegated never are.

The only change which won't take effect in an existing game are the database changes.

I'll take a look at these - it might not be possible however if they are found to potentially break save games (as thats something I'm not willing to do); I'll look into it ... thats all I can promise I'm afraid.

Thanks for the quick answer!

hmm how do i get the update? i search and cant see any info on itunes do i need to download the game again? cos when i tried to put that option it says it will charge me for the download :confused:

ahh was looking under the Itunes store thats why could not find it.

got it now thanks using my ipodtouch (app store) and not itunes on the pc had 24 other applications to update

Just curious, are these semi updates likely to come weekly, fornightly monthly? I'm still thinking about buying it, I would presume you wouldn't say whether the price was about to come down soon (I'm stingy, I know).

I'll end up getting it regardless, but I'm gonna finish up a few other games I bought, otherwise I probably will ignore the rest once I start this. Plus I'd like to start with as updated a game as possible, if there are going to be more updates coming relatively soon with improvements that won't translate to saved games.

Is annoying - angry birds has updated at the same time! My wife already hates my iPhone!

Thank you so much for this update

I have a problem/question. What I waited for was the improved/extended database size, but it seems that it's not improved at all. Maybe it's just me. I'm playing with a German team (Kiel) and if I search all players, it "only" finds 3364 players. It's the same as before the update. If I start a game with one of the english teams, it finds 4xxx players.

Is this normal or do I maybe have to re-install the game?

It would be cool to have the FULL DATABASE no mather which league you are playing in. So 20xxx players would be nice I doesn't see how it could affect the performance. I mean the game runs very fast with 4xxx players.

But thanks again for this update

First off thanks for the update Marc!

Thank you so much for this update

I have a problem/question. What I waited for was the improved/extended database size, but it seems that it's not improved at all. Maybe it's just me. I'm playing with a German team (Kiel) and if I search all players, it "only" finds 3364 players. It's the same as before the update. If I start a game with one of the english teams, it finds 4xxx players.

Is this normal or do I maybe have to re-install the game?

It would be cool to have the FULL DATABASE no mather which league you are playing in. So 20xxx players would be nice I doesn't see how it could affect the performance. I mean the game runs very fast with 4xxx players.

But thanks again for this update

We'll never have access to the full database during a game because it would make the game unplayable; I think Marc mentioned on the forum that even the full PC version doesn't use the full database: each version takes a sample from the database when a new game is started.

Cheers for the info Marc, glad that there's a resolution to the auto-save issue

First off thanks for the update Marc!

We'll never have access to the full database during a game because it would make the game unplayable; I think Marc mentioned on the forum that even the full PC version doesn't use the full database: each version takes a sample from the database when a new game is started.

I don't think it would be unplayable with 20.000 palyers. It would affect the performance but I'm okay with that.

By the way, how many players are included in the english leagues after the Update?

I'm wondering if it's just me, but the number of players haven't changed.

Any chance of properly implementing co-ownership deals in Italy?

Would like to see something on the squad screen that let's you know/reminds you that a player has been offered to clubs or put up for transfer

It would be cool to have the FULL DATABASE no mather which league you are playing in. So 20xxx players would be nice I doesn't see how it could affect the performance. I mean the game runs very fast with 4xxx players.

I hope I don't sound too rude, but what makes you think increasing the size of the database by five times would have no effect on performance? The iPhone / iPod Touch is a limited device and I'm sure the database size has been optimised with this in mind.

SI obviously have a large database of players available from the PC/Mac version and if they could squeeze it into the iPhone/iPod version, I'm sure they would. However they obviously have not been able to at this time.

I'm sure we would all like to have a bigger database but at the moment I think FM2010 is a good balance of content and speed. For example when I'm playing on my Mac I play with a large database and with quite a lot of leagues running because I don't mind if I have to wait a little while when hitting the continue button. But if I'm having a quick game on my iPhone on my lunch break in work, I don't want to be wasting precious game-play time waiting for the game to process.

Who knows, maybe in the future they can optimise the game further and increase the database size. But I'm sure we can both agree that it is a very good first attempt

Please bear in mind this DOESNT stop the game from being terminated mid-save by the iPhone OS (I can't prevent this although I am still trying to optimise the save for update 2 to make it less likely that this happens*) it does however ensure that you won't lose your existing save game if this does happen.

If you have experienced any issues with autosaving (and its only a small fraction of users who appear to do so) then please use the manual save system within the game which can be found under 'Options - Save Game'.

Hope this helps,

Marc

*There isn't a set 'time' available for an application to exit when someone quits the application basically and if you start an intensive app up (mail and browser seem to be the worst resource hogs) then this can prevent the save from completing for several minutes (because its simply not getting any time to process its saving) ... if this occurs the OS at some point might terminate the application.

Ah cool, thanks for the clarification, be interesting to see what happens when Apple release the 4.0 OS.

Thanks for the update, Marc. Was pleasantly surprised to see. A few things, though.

1. I don't know if it's just on my country's (Indonesia) App Store, but the FMH page states the latest version is 1.3. I almost though that SI/Apple witheld updates one version older! FYI, the currency is in US$.

2. What sort of players get added in? I have two game saves at the moment (Valencia and Villa), so do I need to start a new game or not?

3. Where do you place the thread on feedback for future updates? It'd be nice to have a centralized spot, I think.

marc thanks for the update. Did you ever find any issues with player searches (searching by name/surname?)

Hi Marc

I don't think the 2D issue fix has worked.

First game after I installed the fix (on my save game from before the fix) I had it happen at around 73 minutes in the second half. Strange thing was that just then seemed to increase the frequency of 2d clips (although this could, of course just be coincidence that there were a large number of close calls in the closing stages

I've checked and the game is sowing as V1.2 now

Let me know if you need any details

Thanks

Rob

Hi Marc

Thanks for the update.

The autosave seems fine now and I am not experiencing any issues within the 2d which is excellent.

I have noticed a bug which is still present. This may be one you have saved for a future update.

- I started a match on commentary only. I went into settings during the game and changed to pitch zoomed. When coming out, the opposition were 1-0 up. This happens a few times when I switch between the 2 settings but mainly when going from Commentary only to Pitch Zoomed.

I don't think it would be unplayable with 20.000 palyers. It would affect the performance but I'm okay with that.

By the way, how many players are included in the english leagues after the Update?

I'm wondering if it's just me, but the number of players haven't changed.

I'm not sure you know better than the developers: given that the full database is not used by the PC/MAC because it would be unplayable I don't see how the iPhone/iTouch would be better at handling that amount of information.

First of all, thanks for an excellent game it really reminds me of the CM00/01 era.

However a bit disappointed with the update as it doesn't fix the fundamental flaws in the game

i.e.

Tactics - the inability to give individual tactics (surely a simply click into the player/position in the formation window could bring up this menu?) i.e man marking/playmaker/individual passing/run with ball/forward runs etc. Also lack of custom formations (would work great on the touch screen, for instance if you can have the flexibility of the preferred position grid in a formation, it would be wicked)

Inability to search based on attributes (surely this is quite an easy update, just a DB query?

Lack of prize money/ticket revenues etc and lack of real media interaction

The game is great, but without the tactics option, you do feel limited in what you can do as a manager to effect the game. I understand it's a 'mobile' app, however there are a number of other ares which go into far more depth (the training for instance) but it seems to miss out to me the fundamentals of the game.

I for one, don't really care for the odd missing player and the odd small bug, thats to be expected, but the game play and the ability to affect the game is key

Anyway, fingers crossed for this improvement in the future.

Marc - have you guys decided what will be included in the 2nd update?

Not at present I'm afraid, I'm assessing things at present (so thanks to everyone who's giving feedback ) and drawing up a 'hit list' .... once we're closer to release I'll probably be able to release a list of items which will be in it (you might notice sporadically I might mention in passing that something is fixed in the next update too where QA have validated a fix already).

OK. A question, one of the fixes for update 1 is:

Tuned number of outfield players listed for loan

Does that actually affect the ease of getting players loaned out?

I have had absolutely no luck in trying to loan out my young guns in the original release.

Some things will have to wait for a second iteration of the game (ie. I'm not going to fundamentally rewrite any systems (ie. tactics) in an update because it'd break save game compatibility which isn't acceptable to me).

Other things such as attribute based search I'm assessing at present HOWEVER first and foremost I'll be hitting any serious bugs which are present rather than looking at extending things in this way, please bear with me - until we perfect the cloning system we use inhouse it might take me a little while to cover everything

PS - Also please do bear in mind I don't ever intend FMHi to become FM PC, its simply not the aim of the game - I want it to stay a slightly faster and more 'fun' management sim ... while of course being as realistic as possible.

Thanks Marc.

That is a shame, I suppose the economics of it don't make sense. However I would point out (without trying to be an arse) that I wouldn't buy FM2011 unless the tactics were improved, as to me its the fundamental of the game. Clubs badges and eye candy don't interest me personally.

Whilst i understand it will never be FMPC, i think this functionality should be included, there will always be the natural sacrifices of a handheld version which will prevent the two meetign two much in the middle

P.S at £7 a pop, i thought they'd have more developers with you.

Also, i'd like to point out, the freezing in 2D mode has got much much worse for me post update. Never happened at Corners before..

First of all, thanks for an excellent game it really reminds me of the CM00/01 era.

However a bit disappointed with the update as it doesn't fix the fundamental flaws in the game

i.e.

Tactics - the inability to give individual tactics (surely a simply click into the player/position in the formation window could bring up this menu?) i.e man marking/playmaker/individual passing/run with ball/forward runs etc. Also lack of custom formations (would work great on the touch screen, for instance if you can have the flexibility of the preferred position grid in a formation, it would be wicked)

Inability to search based on attributes (surely this is quite an easy update, just a DB query?

Lack of prize money/ticket revenues etc and lack of real media interaction

The game is great, but without the tactics option, you do feel limited in what you can do as a manager to effect the game. I understand it's a 'mobile' app, however there are a number of other ares which go into far more depth (the training for instance) but it seems to miss out to me the fundamentals of the game.

I for one, don't really care for the odd missing player and the odd small bug, thats to be expected, but the game play and the ability to affect the game is key

Anyway, fingers crossed for this improvement in the future.

Remember, this is the first version for the Ipod/Iphone. It will not have all features in the first "years" release. The PSP version has been added to and changed over the 5+ years it has been out.

If you put any "wants" and "wishes" in this thread here: http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=203309 -the devs can look at what everyone wants for future versions.

Hi Marc

Please could you find the time to look at my ideas for the update. Thanks in advance.

1) Increased choice of tactics - Eg: Target Man, Attack down specific flank/middle, man marking etc

2) Youth players from the reserve team get "promoted" to the first team at points during the game (I don't know if this happens already but in 2 seasons I have not recieved a message saying so)

3) Increased transfer budgets (I know people have said this a lot but a few hundred thousand isn't enough to buy in the market without selling, I am not talking much and I understand teams in places are not that rich but please can you review the system). Maybe introduce money for each cup round passed?

4) Ability to delete old careers (I know you can overwrite but this would still be nice to have the option to delete one)

5) A button to take the user back to the first screen (with new game, load etc) as I find it arduous to have to quit the application to play on a different career, when one button can take me back

Thanks Marc again and keep up the good work!

Big changes a foot in the iPhone OS 4.0 , biggest one that will help FM is the multi tasking. They have managed to allow people to use more than one application at the same time without draining battery or Processor speed. In testing apparently they could play big games, like Sims and Madden with their music playing in the background and the batteries lasted a lot longer than the current 3GS just playing music.

Sounds really good for future FMH iPhone versions

I've been playing the update and the following still seems to happen so I wonder if it is intentional or a bug?

-Swapping selected players removes them from the penalty taker, free kick taker and corner taker lists;

-Swapping formations changes team instructions e.g. changing from 4-4-2 to 4-1-3-2 sets tackling to committed and passing to short.

This wasn't intentional and I'll look into this.

This was intentional - however I'm happy to revise this if people concur its not something which is intuitive (over to you chaps ).

I would have thought that a formation change would naturally need a review of the team instructions because team instructions like passing style, team mentality etc wouldn't necessarily be the same with all formations.

Im happy with it how it is myself.

3) Increased transfer budgets (I know people have said this a lot but a few hundred thousand isn't enough to buy in the market without selling, I am not talking much and I understand teams in places are not that rich but please can you review the system). Maybe introduce money for each cup round

budgets were sorted by turning off quickstarts in the preferences menu, shouldn't be a problem if you're running the first update.

I would have thought that a formation change would naturally need a review of the team instructions because team instructions like passing style, team mentality etc wouldn't necessarily be the same with all formations.

Im happy with it how it is myself.

I'd say it should stay the same until the player decides to alter it. The instructions should match the players in the formation not the formation itself.

any plans to include proper sort options in the search/scout results?

budgets were sorted by turning off quickstarts in the preferences menu, shouldn't be a problem if you're running the first update.

Cheers for that

I'd say it should stay the same until the player decides to alter it. The instructions should match the players in the formation not the formation itself.

Stay the same as in remain from the previous formation? I think that intuitively when one sets a formation it should just be the formation and not formation plus team instructions.

A couple of questions first off is there any more news about this update hitting the US app store?

Also has any thought been given to new features like team talks and such and would the addition of new features such as that also break saved games?