DP Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Is it just me or do Man Utd consistently fail to deliver in the early seasons of FM? Since, maybe, FM05 Man Utd always seem to struggle badly in the early seasons, never going on to win anything or dominate in the way they have been for the last 15 or so years. Not just that, they always seem to finish outside the Champions League places with the likes of Stoke City finishing above them. Why is this? Has the researcher underestimated some key attributes here or got the starting tactics wrong perhaps? Either way it annoys me to constantly see them BADLY struggle every time. They never seem to win the league in the first season, or get anywhere near. What are other people's experiences? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lambs Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 2009/10 Champions 80 points (7 clear of second place) 2010/11 3rd 0n 79 points (11 points behind 1st) 2011/12 6th on 68 points (11 points behind 1st) 2012/13 4th on 76 points (5 points behind 1st, which was me) 2013/14 4th on 79 points (11 points behind 1st and 3 points behind 2nd (I was 1st again)) 2014/15 Currently 5th after 26 games (5 points behind 2nd, 19 behind me in 1st) So they are still top 3, but if I was not here they would not of won anything. Fergie leaves end of season 2 and after that they have had a few managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP Posted March 11, 2010 Author Share Posted March 11, 2010 Okay so on patch 10.3 they won the title first season? That's encouraging I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magick beatty Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 I'd assume that there will be nothing wrong with the data and that it will be entirely at fault of the simulation. Or to be more precise: the Manchester United data does not fit in with what is required for a continuously successful side within the parameters of the simulation. For example, Alex Ferguson retiring after a few seasons would be an obvious factor. Just look at how the Arsenal data was manipulated recently to make them almost certain to dominate the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lambs Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Okay so on patch 10.3 they won the title first season?That's encouraging I guess. Actually no, patch 10.2 was up until midway through 2013/2014. So no idea how they start in 10.3. I play at snails pace, those seasons have taken 11 day 4 hours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Billy-Jay Jones Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 09/10 - 4th 10/11 - 1st 11/12 - 2nd 12/13 - 7th 13/14 - 4th 14/15 - 6th I'm presuming 12/13 was when Fergie retired. Chelsea do far worse than Man United on mine, they won the title in 09/10 but haven't finished inside the top 4 since and have finished at a lower position each season. Last season they came 12th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted March 11, 2010 Administrators Share Posted March 11, 2010 I think it's a combination of budgets, manager preferred formations and obviously players available. Personally I think the data for Man Utd players personally is pretty good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_33 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Has anyone else found that Chelsea now seem to be the dominant side? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lambs Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Chelsea: Well apart from me they are, they have won or been top 3 for the last 4 seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_33 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Chelsea: Well apart from me they are, they have won or been top 3 for the last 4 seasons. In the first few seasons for me they are are usually runaway leaders in the prem. Man utd seem to fall out of the champion's league spots and Man City seem to improve quite a bit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Billy-Jay Jones Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Has anyone else found that Chelsea now seem to be the dominant side? Nope, Man City. 2 Premier Leagues, 2 Champions Leagues, a Club World cup, a European Super Cup, a League Cup and an FA Cup in the 6 seasons i've played, and they're currently top of the Prem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Well i went out of the champs league 2 seasons out of three at the group stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_33 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Well i went out of the champs league 2 seasons out of three at the group stage. Who you managing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Who you managing? Man Utd i was shocked when i went out and the 2nd time it was on goal difference:( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRyGuy Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Isnt it obvious that noone likes man united Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
city4eva Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 In the four seasons ive played with Man City, Chelsea came 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 1st and are currently 9th in November in the 5th season. I have finished 2nd, 1st, 1st ,2nd and currently 1st United on the other hand have finished 3rd twice and 4th twice but are currently 7th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Isnt it obvious that noone likes man united Because they are jealous that their club can`t win anything;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 I'd assume that there will be nothing wrong with the data and that it will be entirely at fault of the simulation.Or to be more precise: the Manchester United data does not fit in with what is required for a continuously successful side within the parameters of the simulation. For example, Alex Ferguson retiring after a few seasons would be an obvious factor. Just look at how the Arsenal data was manipulated recently to make them almost certain to dominate the league. perhaps if you visit the data forums you will understand what the data is all about. man utd's and arsenal's for that matter is accurate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThfcJoe Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Rubbish in my save (10.0.2) - im in Oct 2014 atm. Did good till Fergie retired it seems Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianomc2k8 Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 I'm doing an online game with my mate. (10.3) Man Utd won the champions league after first season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRyGuy Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Because they are jealous that their club can`t win anything;) I rekon its more to do with their arrogance and the fact that them and their fans feel that they deserve to win everyting which is shown in this thread. (oh noes man yoo are not winning boo hoo) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magick beatty Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 perhaps if you visit the data forums you will understand what the data is all about. man utd's and arsenal's for that matter is accurate I have to assume that you didn't quiet grasp the reasoning within my post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
twattyatkins Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 I would say in answer to the question in the heading, yes, as it contains Gary Neville, who is just fundamentally wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastwood Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 10.3 first season after 26 games they are 6 points clear of City, 7 of me West Ham and 10 Liverpool and Arsenal. 15 From Chelsea. I find each different save I have a dominate team who will dominate for a few years. But yeah United and Liverpool usually struggle after a few years with their debts meaning less signings etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 I'll have to remember this thread when I get home. I ran 10.3 for 10 or so seasons when I got the update. I'll post the results when I get home and look at the save again. I have to agree with Neil. There's nothing wrong with the data for United. I blame the AI managers that come in after Fergie leaves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArsenalFan7 Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Came 7th on my first season of 10.3 in the Prem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruyff14 Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 2009/10 Champions 80 points (7 clear of second place)2010/11 3rd 0n 79 points (11 points behind 1st) 2011/12 6th on 68 points (11 points behind 1st) 2012/13 4th on 76 points (5 points behind 1st, which was me) 2013/14 4th on 79 points (11 points behind 1st and 3 points behind 2nd (I was 1st again)) 2014/15 Currently 5th after 26 games (5 points behind 2nd, 19 behind me in 1st) So they are still top 3, but if I was not here they would not of won anything. Fergie leaves end of season 2 and after that they have had a few managers. I was hoping that they would stop him retiring after a couple of seasons, cause let's face it he will still be there in another 5 years! In fact he will most likely follow In Jock Steins footsteps and die on the sidelines! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scath Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 I'm managing them myself so can't really comment on them, but looking at how the English game plays, City in particular with massive amounts of money grow hugely, while Liverpool, United, etc all have a lot of debt which drags them back a bit. Also, both United and Arsenal lose their managers early enough in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Here' the 10.3 holiday game results for United 09/10 - 72 points, 3rd place in PL(13 points behind winner) 10/11 - 71 points, 4th place in PL(17 points behind winner) 11/12 - 75 points, 2nd place in PL(13 points behind winner) 12/13 - 68 points, 5th place in PL(10 points behind winner) 13/14 - 73 points, 3rd place in PL(14 points behind winner) 14/15 - 69 points, 5th place in PL(11 points behind winner) 15/16 - 72 points, 2nd place in PL( 5 points behind winner) 16/17 - 75 points, 2nd place in PL( 3 points behind winner) 17/18 - 85 points, 1st place in PL(11 points ahead of 2nd) 18/19 - 69 points, 5th place in PL(12 points behind winner) 19/20 - 60 points, 8th place in PL(19 points behind winner) 20/21 - 61 points, 7th place in PL(24 points behind winner) 21/22 - 66 points, 7th place in PL(21 points behind winner) 22/23 - 79 points, 2nd place in PL( 6 points behind winner...Liverpool) 23/24 - 41 points, leading PL after 16 games by 2 points Sir Alex retired after the 10/11 season and was replaced by Juande Ramos. Ramos was sacked in the 13/14 season and was replaced by Tony Mowbray. Mowbray has been in charge since then. There were two failed takeover bids in 2022. In 2023 David Gill left the club and was replaced by Sir Bobby Charlton. Later in 2023 David Gill decided he wanted back in and bought United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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