The ME even admitted it cheated !!!

Just had a game, where in the post match report, the ME even admitted that it cheated !!!

In the analysis of the referee, it said 'had an up and down game, and made one high profile error in disallowing (player's) goal when really it should have stood'

Tried to find the analysis again in order to post a screenie, but I cant find the report again

Still, it blatantly admitted that it deliberately robbed me of a goal.

If anything, that's impressively realistic. I've seen loads of matches in real life where goals have been wrongly disallowed or given when they shouldn't have been.

That's not cheating, that's realism.

Refereeing mistakes are coded purposefully, to replicate reality.

And I didn't even get the chance to say what I thought, as there was no post match press conference available.

Realism or not, it's the first time I've come across the ME actually saying it deliberately chalked off a perfectly good goal.

I've only got away with disagreeing with the ref once. Even when a goal is clearly offside it'll say the officals got it right.

true its part of real life aswell , last season in my save i had more than 10 goals that weren't count because of referees mistakes ( mostly they claimed off side but on replay i saw they weren't )

Sure i got ****ed but you don't see me ranting about it

( on Uefa cup final i had 2 goals that weren't allowed but still won the game by 3-1 )

The only problem there is that the one time you'd be right to complain, you didn't get the option to. I never bother with complaining anymore, as it never goes my way.

i always check out the refs performance in the post game analysis bit

its a shame that this info gets scrubbed when you continue to the next screen and that you cant be more pro active about slagging off refs

maybe in the future, a bit like manager interaction, you could build relationships with the refs and put them under scrutiny or praise them with comments to the press and then this would impact upon their performance - a la fergie

i think the good/bad decision ratio is pretty good really

so is it 'cheating' when the decision goes in your favour?

In the end, its just frustrating to lose a match. No one who plays this game goes out to lose a match unless for a good reason. If you get a goal chalked off and it was the wrong call and it costs you a promotion, gets your relegated, loses the cup final, etc you are going to be bitter and need to rant to get it all out. Does the ME cheat? No, it doesn't cheat it justs ****s with you, but hey, thats what football management is about, you can't go an entire career of winning everything, you are going to lose as well.

/rant

so is it 'cheating' when the decision goes in your favour?

Exactly, if the decision had gone the other way, would you have posted here? I'm not having a go, just saying

I'd argue there aren't enough mistakes in the game. Great little feature I find.

Problem with this is you cant complain. If you do, you get fined or warned or banned and that is not realistic.

Problem with this is you cant complain. If you do, you get fined or warned or banned and that is not realistic.

Is it not? SAF gets warned and fined all the time IRL.

Is it not? SAF gets warned and fined all the time IRL.

Yes but sometimes he gets appeals in his favour. IRL you can appeal and succeed, not in the game.

Yes but sometimes he gets appeals in his favour. IRL you can appeal and succeed, not in the game.

You can have the FA "silent over referee critisism". That makes it all worth while for me.

Just had a game, where in the post match report, the ME even admitted that it cheated !!!

In the analysis of the referee, it said 'had an up and down game, and made one high profile error in disallowing (player's) goal when really it should have stood'

Tried to find the analysis again in order to post a screenie, but I cant find the report again

Still, it blatantly admitted that it deliberately robbed me of a goal.

What exactly are you trying to prove with this post? That mistakes and bad refereeing are coded into the game? Well yes, they are.

I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge that these things are put into the game to make it more realistic.

It's called realism

Realism is being able to have a complaint against a sending off upheld or a comment made by the FA expressing their concern over the poor referring in the last match and seeing the referee suspenses for a few games. Happens all the time IRL.

Realism is being able to have a complaint against a sending off upheld or a comment made by the FA expressing their concern over the poor referring in the last match and seeing the referee suspenses for a few games. Happens all the time IRL.

The best we have is:

You can have the FA "silent over referee critisism".

No point going against the referee for mistakes. The out come of the match will not be changed. The referee or FA will not award you the goals that's wrongly chalked off nor will you be awarded extra points. This kind of situation happens in real life against any team. So just hope/do better to make your players score more or give opponents less chances.

did you even watch a football game irl?

SI really need to sort out the match engine. Sometimes there are 4 or 5 players clearly offside when a goal is scored, then the F.A always say the ref was right. Either fix it, or take out the option to say the ref got it wrong. Because at the moment, the option to do that is pointless.

Very annoying HOWEVER I love it! it does make the game very realistic! It's very easy to pretty much win everything in this game with little "cheats" (saving game before games and reloading until win) so things like this makes the game alot more addictive due to almost chaos events!

Did you see the Fulham v Burnley game this week? Fulham's first two goals were offside but were missed by the linesman so it does happen in real life, which means that it should happen in the game.

One thing I love to be added to the game is where the replays show the officials made a mistake you can rant about it to the press WITHOUT the fa charging you for misconduct. In real life the FA do seem to turn a blind eye when they know the officials have made a mistake.

Very annoying HOWEVER I love it! it does make the game very realistic! It's very easy to pretty much win everything in this game with little "cheats" (saving game before games and reloading until win) so things like this makes the game alot more addictive due to almost chaos events!

Someone needs to have an extremely sad life if they save a game b4 every match and keep reloading it in until they win before moving on.

What on earth is the point in buying the game if that's all a person is gonna do ??

Someone needs to have an extremely sad life if they save a game b4 every match and keep reloading it in until they win before moving on.

What on earth is the point in buying the game if that's all a person is gonna do ??

Young players of the game may like winning everything and take this road.

Because, honestly, if you're 5, you don't really care about realism, do you?

Features like this only help you experience the emotions of a real-life manager. The ecstasy of victory, the pain of defeat and the gut-wrenching sense of injustice!

Young players of the game may like winning everything and take this road.

Because, honestly, if you're 5, you don't really care about realism, do you?

Five year olds PLAY Football Manager?

I doubt I'd have been able to concentrate on it when I was that age.

The post match report criticises the referee for any contentious decision, regardless of whether it's right or wrong.

You'll score a goal which is miles onside, the opposition will appeal anyway and the post match will say "had a good game, apart from his decision to allow the goal".

Five year olds PLAY Football Manager?

I doubt I'd have been able to concentrate on it when I was that age.

Maybe I took it a little far with 5.

But I know a 7 year old who plays it, and he doesn't care about realism, only winning, which is perfectly acceptable, seeing that he's 7.

My 10 yo brother plays it. I don't think he realises yet he can save and reload though.

So OP, after tonight Bayern - Fiorentina, do you see that it happend in the real life too 2m in offside and the refree see the situation, but he just let it go. Red card to Gobbi (even Kaiser Franz admited that it was just a faul not a red card) but no red card for two-footed start of Van Bomel, and the hard tackling from Klose on player whitout the ball.

Refree mistakes.

Like the non given red card for last man Ferdinand (Dinho foul), and the indirect free kick (Porto - Arsenal) where the refree gave the ball free, but the ball was already by Falcao. So, he had to stop and retake the indirect.

Refereeing mistakes are coded purposefully, to replicate reality.

AND SO IT SHOULD BE:thup:

the ref tonight at porto...........should have booked 5 at least for fouls on fabregas...he didnt thouggh:rolleyes:

well - in my first game of FM2010, I got a touchline ban for slagging off the refs in press conferences twice.

Tonight, I got offered the chance again to slag the referee off for a "controversial" decision. But I just did a no comment - it turned out it wasn't controversial at all, they were well onside with their goal.

I love this feature, my only gripe is that it is too realistic, in that no-one seems to understand the "phase of play" element to the offside rule.

I've seen goals I'd swear were offside, later indicated as being fine and goals deemed onside when no-ones been offside for 3 or 4 passes

I`ve gotten around this stupidity by regularly saving.

I`ve gotten around this stupidity by regularly saving.

The stupidity of an offical? So you dont play it like real life then?

I`ve gotten around this stupidity by regularly saving.

So whenever you think you have lost unfairly, you reload...?

Now now Vic, no need to condemn, what's the mantra again......He can play the game anyway he wants, it's his game

Now now Vic, no need to condemn, what's the mantra again......He can play the game anyway he wants, it's his game

Correct. :o

Doesn't mean I have to throw praise at him for something that can't be seen in any other way but cheating.

Fair point but like most people who feel the need to reload and play a game again, they feel they are correcting a wrong. They assume they have been cheated so it's tit for tat. They don't see it as straight up cheating

Fair point but like most people who feel the need to reload and play a game again, they feel they are correcting a wrong. They assume they have been cheated so it's tit for tat. They don't see it as straight up cheating

Imo, that's just plain crazy.

Imo, that's just plain crazy.

No but I can see where he is coming from. Like an alcoholic won't admit they are alcoholic, they just like a drink.

No but I can see where he is coming from. Like an alcoholic won't admit they are alcoholic, they just like a drink.

A very good comparision.

Must stress that I am neither an alcoholic or a reloader but can certainly see where people come from when they do this. If you feel you have been robbed by a supposedly all seeing / all conquering AI or been denied a win because of your reluctance to factor in a known ME bug, of course you are going to feel cheated and want to right a wrong. Hence the reason why we have people discussing unwinnable games and pre determined results

Must stress that I am neither an alcoholic or a reloader but can certainly see where people come from when they do this. If you feel you have been robbed by a supposedly all seeing / all conquering AI or been denied a win because of your reluctance to factor in a known ME bug, of course you are going to feel cheated and want to right a wrong. Hence the reason why we have people discussing unwinnable games and pre determined results

And yet, if the bugs in the ME went in the human manager's favour, I doubt they would then feel the need to right the wrong done to the AI.

And yet, if the bugs in the ME went in the human manager's favour, I doubt they would then feel the need to right the wrong done to the AI.

Yes, I mean would they really think "that winning goal I just scored was offside, I shall replay until I don't win"

It doesn't happen.

Robbing only happens one way in FM. It's always the game robbing the player, anyone else notice that?