Idea - I thinked injured players should still train Yay or Nay?

I have Rooney out with a broken leg, 5-6 months.

So I created a tactic schedule for him. Tactics pushed to intense. Very light workload.

I wanted to see if he can improve on decision making, anticipation, off the ball movement. So far 2 months he doesn't appear to have improved.

I visualise tactics training as watching a football match and learning about off the ball movements, making the right decisions, improving on anticipation, positioning, basically mental work.

Something that Rooney can do without getting out of bed. He can put the DVD in, or his case, probably a Blue-Ray player and improve his mental stats. Rather then having him staying in bed watching granny porn. He can do something useful and improve his mental stats.

So despite being injured longer term. Players should still be able to train, at least on tactics training anyway where no physical work is needed? - Yay:thup: or Nay:thdn:

it really is amazing what some people come up with on this

hahahahaha funniest **** I've seen in here :D

The best way to learn and become fluent in doing something, is to do it an awful lot. For that reason, this idea gets a from me.

Just because watching DVDs is how you visualize it doesn't mean that's how footballers actually work on their mental skills.

hahahahaha funniest **** I've seen in here :D

Clearly you havn't been on the forums that long then

I get what the OP is saying, i just think that the way things are currently is a better way of doing things.

Clearly you havn't been on the forums that long then

I get what the OP is saying, i just think that the way things are currently is a better way of doing things.

The guy's definitely not been around the forums long :D:D

Anyway i get what OP is saying as well. It's just they're going about it all wrong.

I think this is an good and bad idea at the same time, as much as i can understand what to OP is saying i can also see the point of doing is better.

What i would suggest to this is maybe Mental training comes into play which could improve mental attributes.

I want to give my striker with a broken leg a few sprints to do.

Instead of that, how about getting your long-term injured player to learn a few things about coaching, if he says he would like to go into coaching - especially down in the LL's. I think it might be a good way to help them develop their stats.

shouldn't it also be related to the type of injury maybe? I mean, sombody breaks his arm hes out for a couple of months, but surely he should be able to do fitness training (i mean how many arms do you need to run laps 'round te training pitch :s)

shouldn't it also be related to the type of injury maybe? I mean, sombody breaks his arm hes out for a couple of months, but surely he should be able to do fitness training (i mean how many arms do you need to run laps 'round te training pitch :s)

Have you tried jogging with an arm in a sling?

Of course, seeing as a broken leg wouldn't impede a keeper's reflex training, nor would broken ribs make finishing any harder. Of course.

Frankly, I think I'll go off and tell that player with a broken hip to go out and start stretching.

This reminds me of those people who want to be able to spend FM money on coffee makers...why?

Instead of that, how about getting your long-term injured player to learn a few things about coaching, if he says he would like to go into coaching - especially down in the LL's. I think it might be a good way to help them develop their stats.

This is what Keane and Giggs did when they were injured.

Giggs also did yoga when he pulled his hamstring. Look at him now, he sprints like a deer.

Unless you want your injured player to become a player-manager, I don't see a reason why he should watch a pile of DVDs while recovering...

Anticipation, off the ball etc do need ACTIVE PARTECIPATION...

If watching it was enough to improve, I bet most of us would play for Top Clubs

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Originally Posted by baker.simon View Post

Clearly you havn't been on the forums that long then

I get what the OP is saying, i just think that the way things are currently is a better way of doing things.

The guy's definitely not been around the forums long

:D Guys give me some more funny threads please, I wanna laugh and yes I'm new here cheers

<Physio> has reported that <player> has sustained a broken leg and will be out for 6 months.

<Physio> advises you that the only option is to send <player> to a specialist.

In addition, <physio> has advised the following to spend his time out:

• Play Football Manager (improves tactical knowledge for future coaches, managers)

• Play Pro Evolution Soccer (improves off-the ball movement, positioning, team work)

• Play wheelchair basketball (improves throwing for goalkeepers and throw-in takers)

you could ask them to learn a new language, though i think this should be included regardless. i do agree that it would be interesting if players had options for when they were out injured and soften the blow of the injury for us gamers with a bit of comic relief.

A player with a broken leg training whilst recovering from an injury ? amazing !

hahaha

It's early days, but potential Hall Of Fame material right here I'd say

I'm sorry, but in my opinion it is a silly idea. I guarantee if SI tried to implement it in any way we would end up with a situation where it is an advantage to get injured, as I could see the players 'learning' too much, in much the same way team talks matter too much.

An injured player would gain more than a non-injured player, which is very, very wrong. Players get better in ALL aspects of their attributes by playing football.

<Physio> has reported that <player> has sustained a broken leg and will be out for 6 months.

<Physio> advises you that the only option is to send <player> to a specialist.

In addition, <physio> has advised the following to spend his time out:

• Play Football Manager (improves tactical knowledge for future coaches, managers)

• Play Pro Evolution Soccer (improves off-the ball movement, positioning, team work)

• Play wheelchair basketball (improves throwing for goalkeepers and throw-in takers)

WTF???? lol

Should be aye or nay. Not yay or nay

This really sounds plausible, then on the other hand, do long-term injured players improve their mental stats IRL? Maybe they should win one or two points composure as they had a lot of time to think when they were injured? Undecided yet, I need more pros and cons.

Should be aye or nay. Not yay or nay

Pedant

Interesting thread.. Would be interested to see what the end result would be...

if something could be implemented for this it would be good...well the stats should not improve as a combination of mental and physical training together is the most effective way for development IRL...i studied sports coaching at uni and i can tell you guys that visualisation and recreating scenarios in your head does have a positive mental effect....i think there should be something with mental training...e.g. visualisation has the power to give people/players a morale/confidence boost and can prepare them for situations.

this probs could be implemented in 10 yrs time lol as theres just too many bugs in the game for something so huge to be added.

the positive mental effect you are talking about is probably more to do with morale than anything surely? if players can't actually put what they're learning into practice because they are injured then over time they will just forget what they have learnt anyway you would think.

if something could be implemented for this it would be good...well the stats should not improve as a combination of mental and physical training together is the most effective way for development IRL...i studied sports coaching at uni and i can tell you guys that visualisation and recreating scenarios in your head does have a positive mental effect....i think there should be something with mental training...e.g. visualisation has the power to give people/players a morale/confidence boost and can prepare them for situations.

this probs could be implemented in 10 yrs time lol as theres just too many bugs in the game for something so huge to be added.

Well not really. Could be a few tick boxes that show up when he is injured.

Rooney to improve

off the ball movement,

Anticipation

Concentration etc

And the improvement can be seen over say 3 months of mental work only when he is injured and at most players can improve by 2 points. So could take him one season to improve his mental stat by 1. Depending how long his injury, lets say 6 months of injury he improves by 1 point.

It does happen in real life. Often see players say they have comeback from injuries mentally stronger. Eduardo was saying he had to be mentally strong again to go in to tackles as he was scared of breaking his leg again so he has worked on that during this long injury.

Well not really. Could be a few tick boxes that show up when he is injured.

Rooney to improve

off the ball movement,

Anticipation

Concentration etc

And the improvement can be seen over say 3 months of mental work only when he is injured and at most players can improve by 2 points. So could take him one season to improve his mental stat by 1. Depending how long his injury, lets say 6 months of injury he improves by 1 point.

It does happen in real life. Often see players say they have comeback from injuries mentally stronger. Eduardo was saying he had to be mentally strong again to go in to tackles as he was scared of breaking his leg again so he has worked on that during this long injury.

That my friend is called a cliche, one trotted out a million times over the course of a lifetime by footballers conducting interviews. They say this when they lose, when they draw, when they are injured, when their brother dies and when the neighbour runs over their cat

I havent seen any real evidence to suggest players come back any better, mentally or otherwise, after an injury.

Can anyone think of any real life examples of where a player has improved noticably directly after a big injury?

If anything they are typically rusty from a lack of first team football and therefore worse until they find their sharpness again

Don't know why people are laughing off the OP, as there is something of a decent idea in there.

When Rio Ferdinand was out for the drugs ban, he said he spent alot of time watching videos of top centre backs and noting every detail. The 5 years since he has been back, have produced some awesome defending from Ferdinand. Those videos may well have helped.

Don't know why people are laughing off the OP, as there is something of a decent idea in there.

When Rio Ferdinand was out for the drugs ban, he said he spent alot of time watching videos of top centre backs and noting every detail. The 5 years since he has been back, have produced some awesome defending from Ferdinand. Those videos may well have helped.

Wasnt Rio only banned from playing and not training?

Don't know why people are laughing off the OP, as there is something of a decent idea in there.

When Rio Ferdinand was out for the drugs ban, he said he spent alot of time watching videos of top centre backs and noting every detail. The 5 years since he has been back, have produced some awesome defending from Ferdinand. Those videos may well have helped.

Completely different though as during this time he could train at full pace to put his "DVD watching" to good use.

I dont think that watching a few DVDs really turned Rio into a top class defender..... In Rio's case it had more to do with having to "grow up" after his drugs ban I imagine

Don't know why people are laughing off the OP, as there is something of a decent idea in there.

When Rio Ferdinand was out for the drugs ban, he said he spent alot of time watching videos of top centre backs and noting every detail. The 5 years since he has been back, have produced some awesome defending from Ferdinand. Those videos may well have helped.

Wasnt Rio only banned from playing and not training?

Exactly....

Ahh yes sir that is a good point.

Still think even if he wasn't training, could have helped his development.

No I'm not saying for one minute it turned him into a top class defender. I'm just saying it could have helped. By watching you learn, thats with anything.

I'm not a massive fan of what the OP is suggesting, as its almost impossible to judge and measure how much something like that, could aid the development of the player. But there is something logical what he said.

Ahh yes sir that is a good point.

Still think even if he wasn't training, could have helped his development.

It could, in fact it probably did.... but Rio is probably an exception as opposed to the rule (plus as we said he wasn't injured). Certainly not worth adding into the game in my eyes

No I'm not saying for one minute it turned him into a top class defender. I'm just saying it could have helped. By watching you learn, thats with anything.

I'm not a massive fan of what the OP is suggesting, as its almost impossible to judge and measure how much something like that, could aid the development of the player. But there is something logical what he said.

Perhaps... but where do we stop? Take for example, Frank Lampard's form since his family deaths... have they affected his performances? Possibly. Ceratinly many people would agree he has slowed down a little over the past season or so, but is it related?

Then we have other issues... some players claim that facing a relegation makes you stronger... or missing a penalty.... or moving to a rival club....

The fact is we dont know, but there is no real evidence to suggest that these are tangible factors. In the same way I dont see any evidence that players improve mentally after being injured

In a game based on realism, it would be a massive mistake to have these external influences play any meaningful role

That my friend is called a cliche, one trotted out a million times over the course of a lifetime by footballers conducting interviews. They say this when they lose, when they draw, when they are injured, when their brother dies and when the neighbour runs over their cat

I havent seen any real evidence to suggest players come back any better, mentally or otherwise, after an injury.

Can anyone think of any real life examples of where a player has improved noticably directly after a big injury?

Aye! examplesssssssss

David James, dropped from Liverpool on and off with Villa, England's clown. Came back better, stronger, mentally better now. England number 1 at 37? Anyway his reason was he stopped playing computer games as this decreased his concentration on football.

Stuart Peace when he missed the Pen for England. He came back more determined. Had to prepare mentally to take penaltys again. So he improved on composure.

Beckham during the 98 world cup. Lost his confidence but then went on to become England captain and One of Englands Legends. He improved on his concentration. Everyball was perfect, every freekick was on target, every pass was met, every criticism was brushed off. All he did was concentrate on football.

Ben Foster, FA cup or league cup last year when he saved 2/3 pens? He reason for "guessing" right was he view videos on his Ipod how players took their penalties. So he definitly had an upper hand, improved concentration, positioning.

Not examples relating to injuries per say but I think people are missing the point and not thinking outside of the box it doesn't necessary have to be mental stats. I am thinking more hidden stats as well such as Ambitious, consistency.

You really think injured players are at home resting all the time. They are given things to do to try and help them in other forms. I know keepers play that game where they have to spot the white dot in a crowed scatting of red dots setting. See how fast their reaction is.

Aye! examplesssssssss

David James, dropped from Liverpool on and off with Villa, England's clown. Came back better, stronger, mentally better now. England number 1 at 37? Anyway his reason was he stopped playing computer games as this decreased his concentration on football.

Stuart Peace when he missed the Pen for England. He came back more determined. Had to prepare mentally to take penaltys again. So he improved on composure.

And what about Gareth Southgate\David Batty\Waddle - did they improve their composure?

Beckham during the 98 world cup. Lost his confidence but then went on to become England captain and One of Englands Legends. He improved on his concentration. Everyball was perfect, every freekick was on target, every pass was met, every criticism was brushed off. All he did was concentrate on football.

Paul Gascoigne (FA Cup Final) never "matured" after his big cock up

Ben Foster, FA cup or league cup last year when he saved 2/3 pens? He reason for "guessing" right was he view videos on his Ipod how players took their penalties. So he definitly had an upper hand, improved concentration, positioning.

What has this got to do with injuries? Nobody ever said players dont watch videos... just that they dont learn more whilst injured

Not examples relating to injuries per say but I think people are missing the point and not thinking outside of the box it doesn't necessary have to be mental stats. I am thinking more hidden stats as well such as Ambitious, consistency.

You really think injured players are at home resting all the time. (Where did I say that??)They are given things to do to try and help them in other forms. I know keepers play that game where they have to spot the white dot in a crowed scatting of red dots setting. See how fast their reaction is.

All very helpful examples, and worth discussion. But as I just pointed out, these dont even go close to showing there is a definitive linke between these events and improvements in the player's game.

For everyone of these examples, there are a dozen more that dont support your argument

This topic has swayed way off course anyway... my penalty missing examples and such like were just a way of demonstrating that their are many, many possible influences on a players mentality that are far too complex, vaguely documented and in-tangible to warrant inclusion

Never said every player will improve as like not every player will learn a PPM. Would depend on personality.

Players who are ambitious, determined, professional will likely make improvements while injured.

Never said every player will improve as like not every player will learn a PPM. Would depend on personality.

Players who are ambitious, determined, professional will likely make improvements while injured.

That would be a good compromise. Surely the players shouldn't improve by 10 points per attribute but a slight improvement would be nice.

I disagree, I think any player out for a significant amount of time will experience "rustiness" or similar, a dulling of their footballing brain if you like

As I said, I would be interested to see if you have any examples of injured players who have come back with improved positional sense....

(Rio, as discussed, is different as he had access to full training at all times)

players must make some improvements from injuries otherwise after an injury they wouldn't play. It takes alot mentally to get back on the field and make tackles or take that risk of overstretching.

It doesn't necessary mean mentally is "trained", it could be they just become more mentally stronger/determined through will power.

Giggs has an history off hamstring problems. He over came it by doing yoga, stretching, before after, between matches. Not only has this strengthen his hamstring but it has made him more relaxed on the field.

Owen had groin injuries. He had that specialist operation in Germany where his groin will be more elastic. He has to have the trust in that so his groin won't snap. It's a confidence trust thing that needs to gain.

I just don't see being injured is seen as a negative thing. Fine technical stats can decline, but determination, ambition can get stronger.

confidence = morale

rust = condition

why does the whole attribute module need changing? there is no evidence they come back better than before they were injured, which is the point Bart is making, but nobody seems to be listening.

oh and by the way, Ferguson said in a tv interview not long ago that Giggs actually had a problem with his back, this in turn somehow affected his hamstring. once they fixed the problem his hamstring issues disappeared.