This is ridiculous, a third of my squad are injured!!!

Since applying that 10.2 patch, 13 of my 36 man squad are out injured

Seems to me SI have rush-released, yet again, another installment of FM that is not fit for purpose, and the obviously untested patches is the equivalent of throwing good money after bad. Absolute joke!

In theory, we have become beta testers for FM, cos the official game-testers are not up to the job, and its getting worse every year as the FM cash-cow rumbles on

Players get injured in real life. Gotta turn down your training perhaps, and rotate more.

Players get injured in real life. Gotta turn down your training perhaps, and rotate more.

Exactly! From the start of the season, try not to fatique your players. I have to say, with only 1 injury, it doesn't seem to bad for me. Besides that, notice that when your training is more intense from start on, it does effect the injury amount.

remember Rangers in the champions league at old Trafford a few years back. Rangers played their youth team because of first team injuries

Since applying that 10.2 patch, 13 of my 36 man squad are out injured

Seems to me SI have rush-released, yet again, another installment of FM that is not fit for purpose, and the obviously untested patches is the equivalent of throwing good money after bad. Absolute joke!

In theory, we have become beta testers for FM, cos the official game-testers are not up to the job, and its getting worse every year as the FM cash-cow rumbles on

Learn to play the game and you wont get these injuries.

Learn to play the game and you wont get these injuries.

I've been playing CM/FM since its first run out on the Amiga 500 many years ago, so yes, I think I know how to play the game mate.

Many thanks for your informative reply, whats next, its my tactics?

I don't get people who keep saying 'the game is unplayable because I have so many injuries'. It happens in real life! Look at Man Utd recently. We have **** all for a defence.

I'd just love Fergie coming to a press conference and saying that the Prem has become unplayable because of injuries.

The injury levels in the game reflect the actual statistics from the main leagues. Perhaps you should consider what you as manager are doing to make this better rather than complaining about the testing.

Look at the following:

Injury proneness of the players

Training intensity

Level of tackling

Level of closing down

Tempo

Condition- starting and finishing

Training schedules

Quality of coaches

Quality of facilities

The last comment I read from SI regarding injuries was that they were still a little low compared with real life.

The injury levels in the game reflect the actual statistics from the main leagues. Perhaps you should consider what you as manager are doing to make this better rather than complaining about the testing.

Look at the following:

Injury proneness of the players

Training intensity

Level of tackling

Level of closing down

Tempo

Condition- starting and finishing

Training schedules

Quality of coaches

Quality of facilities

Mate, there are way too many complaints about injuries after applying the 10.2 patch to make it just a few isolated incidents. This game & patches, no matter what you, or SI say, have NOT been fully tested.

I never had this problem with the 10.1 patch, and nor did anyone else who has caught this "injury& fatigue" bug. You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to work that one out.Its funny how no one will admit the patches have wrecked the game, they'd rather offer "learn to play the game properly" or "its your tactics" as answers.

It's your bad luck, then. I have a few injuries of my own to content with, but not even close to a third of my squad.

I swear sometimes that I'm playing a vastly different version of 10.2. I'm getting none of these problems. I have played half a season with 10.2, and am loving it. Besides my keeper, striker, and usually left winger, every other player receives significant rotation. Guess what? I have had one major injury so far, and it was before the season even started, for about 6 weeks. That's it! There are a few reasons I don't rotate those 3, namely that they are ridiculously important for my squad, and they have great fitness levels. I don't know what other people are doing to find these "bugs", I just hope I don't come across them.

Mate, there are way too many complaints about injuries after applying the 10.2 patch to make it just a few isolated incidents. This game & patches, no matter what you, or SI say, have NOT been fully tested.

I never had this problem with the 10.1 patch, and nor did anyone else who has caught this "injury& fatigue" bug. You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to work that one out.Its funny how no one will admit the patches have wrecked the game, they'd rather offer "learn to play the game properly" or "its your tactics" as answers.

OK, maybe there is a problem, but you need to show some evidence of it. Show in game screenshots of the entire injury table, as well as any matches you think have too many injuries in them, from multiple different times (ie not just a one off bad period), and then find real data on injuries in football, and compare them.

And then even if you do this, it's possible that you're just unlucky. Given the sheer number of people playing FM, it's inevitable that some people are going to have far worse injury problems than others. So, if you want to prove your theory that injuries are too prevalent, your going to have to get a large number of people to collect evidence - both those who think there is a problem, and those who don't - and analyse how the injury levels are distributed. If the average levels are too high after doing all this, then maybe there is a problem.

Until you've done all this, by all mean say "I think there's a lot of injuries", but don't go around claiming the game is broken without any real evidence.

<...> and then find real data on injuries in football, and compare them.<...>

Wigan and Portsmouth are the luckiest, with only one injured player at the moment, whereas, at the other end of the scale, Man Utd have no less than a dozen first team players injured - that's a bit more than a third of Fergie's squad, I think.

OK, maybe there is a problem, but you need to show some evidence of it. Show in game screenshots of the entire injury table, as well as any matches you think have too many injuries in them, from multiple different times (ie not just a one off bad period), and then find real data on injuries in football, and compare them.

And then even if you do this, it's possible that you're just unlucky. Given the sheer number of people playing FM, it's inevitable that some people are going to have far worse injury problems than others. So, if you want to prove your theory that injuries are too prevalent, your going to have to get a large number of people to collect evidence - both those who think there is a problem, and those who don't - and analyse how the injury levels are distributed. If the average levels are too high after doing all this, then maybe there is a problem.

Until you've done all this, by all mean say "I think there's a lot of injuries", but don't go around claiming the game is broken without any real evidence.

i agree with the scientific method here

13/36 injured is absurd, 16/36 is pure insanity and 20+/36 even more so

but you have to concede these situations are not impossible. you may just have hit that extreme situation.

play it through, see if it happens again

Sure there can be lots of injuries irl too. While it is not as ridiculous as some people might say, I do think that the 'exceptions' of irl happen in FM way too often. Exceptions should stay as exceptions.

The player fitness thing is also a bit funny too. Sure it's not as bad as people say. we can live with playing players with 92-93% fitness. But the dumb thing is that when the fixtures are about 3-4 days apart, which is how it is for the whole season for a top team, it's kind of next to impossible to get players to be starting 4 times in a row even. I think it's a bit overdone, because it's a bit ott to consider benching or subbing top class players every 3 or 4 matches.

It's not ott to consider resting your top players every few games. Managers in the Premier league do it especially when they have a fixture congestion period. The fitness levels seem to be about right now as after 3-4 days after one game no player is going to be at the top level of fitness.

To the OP I'd suggest just having a look at your training and after a game on a saturday/sunday give your players a couple of days off from training. This helps the fitness and conversely the Injuries that you're getting.

Does strength not play a part in this? In the conference north with a pretty physical side I have had 3 injuries in game. All for people with strength less than 10

I must admit i have had a fair few injuries but then i tweaked the training and well what can i say all sorted hardley any injuries now.

i think i have 2 players out.

Hardly any injuries for me either.

In the real world however, I demand a patch to fix out the obvious injury bug Man Utd have.

And how about Leeds eh? top of League One with only 10 goals conceded in 21 games... damn superkeepers.

Since applying that 10.2 patch, 13 of my 36 man squad are out injured

Seems to me SI have rush-released, yet again, another installment of FM that is not fit for purpose, and the obviously untested patches is the equivalent of throwing good money after bad. Absolute joke!

In theory, we have become beta testers for FM, cos the official game-testers are not up to the job, and its getting worse every year as the FM cash-cow rumbles on

The first thing to say to this is that the game from release has been widely praised from the majority of the user base, so to suggest it was not fit for purpose is completely unfair. Also we don't make money from releasing patches so your logic seems a little flawed here.

Mate, there are way too many complaints about injuries after applying the 10.2 patch to make it just a few isolated incidents. This game & patches, no matter what you, or SI say, have NOT been fully tested.

I never had this problem with the 10.1 patch, and nor did anyone else who has caught this "injury& fatigue" bug. You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to work that one out.Its funny how no one will admit the patches have wrecked the game, they'd rather offer "learn to play the game properly" or "its your tactics" as answers.

This injury and fatigue 'bug' doesn't exist. The patch has been tested, and rigorously by both SI's in house testing team (which I am part of) and SEGA's external testing team. This was a process that began from before the very first patch was released. I'm sorry if you've been unfortunate to experience an injury crisis but that can happen, all I will say is that the numbers of injuries in game are BELOW real life figures.

If you want you can upload your save to the FTP and I will happily look through it and see if there are any contributing factors as to why you have received so many injuries, but more than that i'd appreciate if you spent less time criticising the people on the forums that have tried to help you

At the end of the day i sometime thick what the hell i should post on here and moan about things about the game but then i sit back and say - it is only a game - what would i do in real life if i was a manager spit my dummy out and blame someone for this not going right with my team.

Look at everton and man utd at the mo they cannot even put a full team out at the mo. Everton are fielding kids and layers out of position but moyes is not on t.v everyday saying it is not fair and i want to blame someone.

Personally having lots of injuries is just another way for you to see how good a manager you are by getting through it.

Thats just my opinion

At the end of the day i sometime thick what the hell i should post on here and moan about things about the game but then i sit back and say - it is only a game - what would i do in real life if i was a manager spit my dummy out and blame someone for this not going right with my team.

Look at everton and man utd at the mo they cannot even put a full team out at the mo. Everton are fielding kids and layers out of position but moyes is not on t.v everyday saying it is not fair and i want to blame someone.

Personally having lots of injuries is just another way for you to see how good a manager you are by getting through it.

Thats just my opinion

The best thing I've seen posted in the last few days.. It would do for some people to remember the fact that it is only a game and it's not life and death.

The new patch seems more realistic with regards to injuries in my opinion. Although in my Aston Villa team, i have one fit striker after 4 strikers got long-term injuries but it does happen in real life... sometimes

The new patch seems more realistic with regards to injuries in my opinion. Although in my Aston Villa team, i have one fit striker after 4 strikers got long-term injuries but it does happen in real life... sometimes

As an Everton fan I can confirm that it does happen in real life

I am in December now with Portsmouth, and up until this point.. I had Boateng out for 2 weeks, and Utaka out for 5-7 days.

That is it!

There is no 'Injury Bug'... I love it when peoples saves are going wrong and they start making up 'bugs' to cover up their failings

I myself am a everton fan - just waiting to see what happens in the next couple of weeks if we have to put carlo nash upfront or something.

But wait a minute that cannot happen it is not fair to have so many injuries.haha

The injury levels in the game reflect the actual statistics from the main leagues. Perhaps you should consider what you as manager are doing to make this better rather than complaining about the testing.

Look at the following:

Injury proneness of the players

Training intensity

Level of tackling

Level of closing down

Tempo

Condition- starting and finishing

Training schedules

Quality of coaches

Quality of facilities

The issue is this:

The amount of injuries gets changed with patching and the users need to adapt to it. Same thing hapens with ME. Fine.

But i dont understand how come after so many years of doing this game, SI can`t do a good job on basic things right from the release and concequently they need to fix such fundamental things after release.

The game is great, but the fixes and patches confuse people.

Nearly all my strikers are now injured. Promoted my star striker from the reserves and he lasted 1 1/2 matches and is now out for 6 months or so under specialist treatment. Fair enough - it happens, got a striker on loan from Liverpool (I'm in championship) - scored a cracking debut goal within 6 minutes, rating of 8.2 then trained two days after and is out for a month having strained his back in training!

They made fitness a lot more realistic.

So learn to play the game and adapt.

Like I tell my brother, LIGHTEN UP - there are far more serious things going on in the world around you.

The first thing to say to this is that the game from release has been widely praised from the majority of the user base, so to suggest it was not fit for purpose is completely unfair. Also we don't make money from releasing patches so your logic seems a little flawed here.

This injury and fatigue 'bug' doesn't exist. The patch has been tested, and rigorously by both SI's in house testing team (which I am part of) and SEGA's external testing team. This was a process that began from before the very first patch was released. I'm sorry if you've been unfortunate to experience an injury crisis but that can happen, all I will say is that the numbers of injuries in game are BELOW real life figures.

If you want you can upload your save to the FTP and I will happily look through it and see if there are any contributing factors as to why you have received so many injuries, but more than that i'd appreciate if you spent less time criticising the people on the forums that have tried to help you

The only person I criticized on this forum was the clever person who replied with:-

"Learn to play the game and you wont get these injuries".

This injury problem was NOT here before the 10.2 patch...so what went wrong?

As for having a pop at the game coders/testers, so what?

I've parted with my cash and expect the product to work out of the box, if not, there is a thing called "statutory rights", ever heard of it?

You don't buy a pair of trainers, and then wait for the company to release the laces!!!

And by "cash-cow", I meant the yearly full game releases, why not go back to the yearly updates which cost half the price?

Anyway, and this is my opinion, the game did not work properly out of the box, and still does not, 3 patches on.

Stuff what the fan-boys on here say, I paid my cash and am entitled to moan if it does not work.

I've been playing CM/FM since its first run out on the Amiga 500 many years ago, so yes, I think I know how to play the game mate.

Many thanks for your informative reply, whats next, its my tactics?

The fact you're getting them and I'm not says otherwise, and with a lower league team aswell.

My reply may have been blunt and to the point but the fact still stands.

Ironically your tactics ARE a part of this, so is your training regime. As people have already pointed out, there is no injury "bug" or fitness "bug", well there is because there isn't enough of them!

Using the word fanboy for anyone who disagrees with you? Awesome mate.

I think i will have a moan now.

The game did not load fast enough from my dvd when i bought it and also i could not get it out of the wrapper fast enough to play so i want some of my money back.

also when the game loaded in i discovered jagielka and arteta was injured now i know these guys are injured in real life but it is just not fair as they are a important part of my team and needed them straight away.

It is just so not fair.

The only person I criticized on this forum was the clever person who replied with:-

"Learn to play the game and you wont get these injuries".

This injury problem was NOT here before the 10.2 patch...so what went wrong?

As for having a pop at the game coders/testers, so what?

I've parted with my cash and expect the product to work out of the box, if not, there is a thing called "statutory rights", ever heard of it?

You don't buy a pair of trainers, and then wait for the company to release the laces!!!

And by "cash-cow", I meant the yearly full game releases, why not go back to the yearly updates which cost half the price?

Anyway, and this is my opinion, the game did not work properly out of the box, and still does not, 3 patches on.

Stuff what the fan-boys on here say, I paid my cash and am entitled to moan if it does not work.

It's just a coincidence your injuries raised when applying the patch. It could have happened at any time. As stated, there is no injury bug - except in that there are slightly too few when compared with real life figures.

Fair enough if you want to have a pop at coders or testers, but if you want to do so it's best to get an understanding of how the games industry works before doing so, otherwise you end up making statements that are not only false but inflammatory and show you up as lacking knowledge. Suggesting that 10.2 had no testing or close to none is hilarious, have you seen the amount of bug fixes that went into the patch?

The game works fine out of the box, and is even better with 10.2. Suggesting it's unplayable because you've had some bad luck and don't know how to deal with it is a little silly.

I'm furious. I havn't got an injury crisis like United have atm! It would really test the strength of my tactics and fringe players!

I have just found a major fault with the game and i think it is a bug.

I don't seem to be able to win every game and i am conceding at least 1 goal every 10 games - this game is crap and i do not like it please can i have my money back.haha

Of course it's not a bug.

But you cannot deny the fact that the patch increased the likelihood of in-match injuries due to the unintentional stamina depletion change.

And other SI people already have said that they didn't touch this area and they had little idea that there was going to be this 'improvement' of stamina change. Which means you have little idea whether this unintended change in stamina decrease rate is affecting the injury rate or not.

and you guys always seem to pick out the unusually high injury state as your norm.

That's the problem with probability. It has a good average but you have not much idea whether it will happen all together or never at all.

We have probability irl too but it's certainly different to just numbers.

Lots of people come on here complaining about injury problems, I've been playing FM10 since the day it came out and I've never had a serious injury problem, in fact, I love having an injury crisis because you get an excuse to put players in the team who wouldn't get in it otherwise and test them out, or try something different without worrying about it going horribley wrong

"Injury bug" don't exist? Then why are there quite a posts on the topic?

Like the shooting and scoring from range every time didn't exist a? That was fixed by introducing "super goalie" in a patch update!

Fact is, this game was not finished, and we, the paying customer, were bug testing for you.

No, you won't even come close to admitting that, or there will be a massive class action lawsuit against SI/SEGA.

take a look si.. both teams had good fitness levels: juventus players got injuried, but not because there stamina was down.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IV2QNB9A

roma-juventus.pkm

"Injury bug" don't exist? Then why are there quite a posts on the topic?

Like the shooting and scoring from range every time didn't exist a? That was fixed by introducing "super goalie" in a patch update!

Fact is, this game was not finished, and we, the paying customer, were bug testing for you.

No, you won't even come close to admitting that, or there will be a massive class action lawsuit against SI/SEGA.

let's not get the european courts involved. lol

"Injury bug" don't exist? Then why are there quite a posts on the topic?

Because people jump to conclusions too readily and feel that because they have some injuries, everyone else must do. This isn't the case if you read the reactions to those who have complained about there being too many injuries.

Like the shooting and scoring from range every time didn't exist a? That was fixed by introducing "super goalie" in a patch update!

There were known issues with long shots, these were resolved. But not by introducing 'super goalies', as again, these don't exist. There is an issue with some types of chances being created too often, which are then saved. This, on occasion, can give the appearance of goalies playing out of their skin, but it's not the case.

Fact is, this game was not finished, and we, the paying customer, were bug testing for you.

No, you won't even come close to admitting that, or there will be a massive class action lawsuit against SI/SEGA.

You're doing nothing of the sort, saying comments like that is pretty offensive to our beta testing team - who do a very good job at actually testing, and not just ranting about issues that don't exist.

And in regards to a class action suit against SI/SEGA? I'm afraid you're really showing your lack of knowledge of games here, that's frankly an embarrassing response.

LemonTea you are just upset because you are having problems with the game.

Be honest if you were winning left right and centre you would

1:not be on here complaining as you are happy or

2:you would be telling everyone how great the game is.

I for one am really enjoying the game.

If i was to have a major injury problem then i would not be bothered as it will be more of a challenge.

Like so many people have said at least si are sorting out the REAL problems and not silly ones which are not problems.

You are stating this has only happened since the new patch came out, then what excuse is Everton or Man utd using in real life.

Please get a grip

IT IS ONLY A GAME

What i suggest SI is give lemontea his money back and then he can go and buy a real football management game like champ manager HAHAHAHAHAHA

You are stating this has only happened since the new patch came out, then what excuse is Everton or Man utd using in real life.

Please get a grip

IT IS ONLY A GAME

What i suggest SI is give lemontea his money back and then he can go and buy a real football management game like champ manager HAHAHAHAHAHA

please don't use exceptions to explain the injuries. does si only watch english football? Man Utd and Everton are going trough it but surely that's not normal, that's the reason why the media and we point that out. both clubs have an enourmous and ridiculous amount of injuries. NFL has less injuries than both these clubs.

If Lemon could provide a screenshot from the league injury list, maybe this is happening to every team not just he's..

sorry for my english

Man, lemonTea just sucks balls in the game. How come I only had 4 injuries throughout my 1st season and he has more than 10? and the injuries were realistic because I kept playing a winger with fitness of 78-85 and soon or later he will collapse. I was actually expecting him to be injured but had nobody else to play his position!

please don't use exceptions to explain the injuries. does si only watch english football? Man Utd and Everton are going trough it but surely that's not normal, that's the reason why the media and we point that out. both clubs have an enourmous and ridiculous amount of injuries. NFL has less injuries than both these clubs.

If Lemon could provide a screenshot from the league injury list, maybe this is happening to every team not just he's..

sorry for my english

i bet his training are set to extensive and he fields players with 70-80% fitness..... dumbest post ever

Excuse me pedrofilipe.lourencosta but Everton have one of the smallest teams in the league and have had serious injury problems for the last few years and like i have said before you do not hear moyes moaning every game yes we have injuries but guess what he gets on with his job and keeps fielding the strongest tema he can.

Why can lemontea not field his strongest team in his game.

If lemontea had virtually all his main team and reserves out injured then yes i could feel sorry for him.

I am experiencing a few own goals in my game but i am not on here slagging of the developers of the game. I am trying to work around it.

If people do not like the injuries stop playing the game and ask for your money back its simple.

I think if you had a vote set up on the forum as to how many like the game and how many do not i will guarantee that you will find that there are more people who like it than not

"Man, lemonTea just sucks balls in the game. How come I only had 4 injuries throughout my 1st season and he has more than 10? and the injuries were realistic because I kept playing a winger with fitness of 78-85 and soon or later he will collapse. I was actually expecting him to be injured but had nobody else to play his position!"

Was that winger carrying an injury or a knock from previous games? there are plenty of players who play through pain and all patched up. It's not football, but look at Kobe Bryant he's playing with a broken finger. (5th finger of his shooting hand)

injuries like the ones fm has, wrist, damage elbow are hardly 4 to 6 weeks at the top football level. players come back from sprained ankle (level 2 for example) in 2 weeks.

river plate - dumbest post ever. i didn't knew we had modern doistoevski among us to make those kind of statements. I bet you have a brilliant mind.

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