Jamie543 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Hi all im playing as Chelsea im in the 2011/2012 season ive won the EPL, FA Cup and Champions League 2 times in a row. Its currently March in my game and im still in all comps yet i have a massive black hole of over £60M i brought 2 players in this year with payments spread out over 30 months total spending was £45M has the game already included what i have yet to pay on my current debt cuz £60M seems rather high knowing i have anouther 3 months of the season left. Im losing around £8M a month so im probably looking on nearly a £100M black hole come the end of the season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just-Wool Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 I couldn't quite decipher that. You bought 2 players for 45m and spread over 30 months? You are £60m in the red? Do Chelsea have a lot of debts to pay or something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 they have a gift loan which stops paying when im in the red. Basicaly i brought 2 players 1 at £20M which is paid out over 30 months at £325K p/m the other was £25M also spread over 30 months at £325K p/m yet i find my self with £60M in the red Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev147 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 I think we need more info Jamie! What have your net transfer spends been in years one and two? What is your weekly wage expenditure? And it seems that you are yet to see even more money go out in the two players you bought so that is yet to go out or the majority anyway. And like you said you will be in even more trouble than the £6om come the end of the season. Screeshots would be very handy cheers. Income/expenditure/wages/loans etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlp071 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Err...appearance, assist, shootout, goal bonuses?Those are quite high in teams like Chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nev147 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Ok cheers jamie I'll see if I can help but this season is in March some a comparison from this season to last season will be quite hard as it is hard to predict the future! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 really frustrating me as like i said ive won the EPL, FA Cup and Champions League twice and it didnt cover the debt last season as the Chairman invested £40M to clear the hole Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just-Wool Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 There is your problem, you had 40m invested in the club last season which made you even. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 yes but i shouldnt have needed the £40M investment i won the CL, EPL, and FA Cupo surly that would have been enough? i dont even think i made even in the 1st season and i spent bugger all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just-Wool Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Wages are high, ground is small, debts when in profit are pretty high, to top it off you are signing 40m worth of players a season and not selling anyone whatsoever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 Wages are high, ground is small, debts when in profit are pretty high, to top it off you are signing 40m worth of players a season and not selling anyone whatsoever Ive seen the AI spend a lot more then what i have and Chelsea always got money and staduim upgrades. ive sold around £10M worth of players the rest are either to old to sell or are needed for the new EPL rules. Should free up around £170K p/w from the end of next season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev147 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 You are in March some money from your league position, TV revenue(£30m if you do aswell as last season), and competition winnings(£36m)- CL is still to come in may/june. So you may get around £66m from TV rev and competition winnings in may/june. Yeah regarding your last post I was going to say how did you get a transfer budget of £50m but that would explain it. More than £36m per season is going on monthly installments from players bought and from what you have said this seems unlikely to stop any time soon. If the year end is june then you wages for players will be £5m more than last year- not too much difference. Players sold this season £4m and bought £40m and still rising- tells its own story. As monkeywool said the investment of £40m- you may get that again- or cross your fingers. And to add insult to injury if you get out of the red you have a loan to repay!!! But by comparing the two seasons there does not seem to be much difference to be honest and when you receive your tv rev and competition winnings then you may break even and you may get a present from Roman. Just be more efficient- sell a few players and try and cut down on the wages. But FM reflects real life as much as possible - and IRL Chelsea do not make money they make a loss and Roman as the billionaire owner he is, he bails them out each year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just-Wool Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 You are almost spending 2m a week on wages just for players bud, with Stamford bridge as your ground that is unsustainable. When I have a long term Liverpool game I win everything and my wage budget still isn't over 1.2m until I get a new ground. That being said non-footballing costs are also screwing you over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 thanks for your help the thing thats anouying me is Roman keeps saying no to a staduim upgrade if he said yes it could give the club an extra £5M or so a season just seems daft that a sugar daddy owner would say no to an upgrade Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 and something else thats not helping me is the fact that certain sponsors dont get renewed which is stupid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev147 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 and something else thats not helping me is the fact that certain sponsors dont get renewed which is stupid Yeah my experience of sponsors is having them get reduced or taken away completley- I thought this was fixed for FM2010? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 nope i have lost 2 sponsors in 2 years which is around £1M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev147 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Your merchandising is not great- think you have one commercial link or you may have two but try and get another if you only have one- but you need to sign big name players to really increase this and they cost money! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just-Wool Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 In short what you have do is treat Chelsea like you would Liverpool, if you don't want to be in the red anyway as they are in a similar situation in game but with one huge difference which I will get to in a minute. You know you have a tiny stadium, so you have to be frugal. Wage budgets are by far the biggest crippler in the game short of high payment long term debt. Limit the amount you spend on wages, your wage cap might be high but that doesn't mean you have to spend it all. In fact, I always use the edit budget tool to ensure that my wage cap is as small as can be just to make sure I keep myself in check. Sell players if you don't need them for high value, don't let their contracts dwindle and let them go on a free, sell them. You have 70 players on your books. 29 of them senior. That's too many. Let your kids be your backup, you can get rid of at least 10 players from your first team squad I reckon and probably for good money if you are Chelsea. 17 people are on first team or key player contracts. Way too many. I don't know how you are keeping them happy but your bank balance is suffering because of it. This is how I do Liverpool, the only difference is I don't have a chairman who would bail me out if I did mess up financially Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev147 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 In short what you have do is treat Chelsea like you would Liverpool, if you don't want to be in the red anyway as they are in a similar situation in game but with one huge difference which I will get to in a minute. You know you have a tiny stadium, so you have to be frugal. Wage budgets are by far the biggest crippler in the game short of high payment long term debt. Limit the amount you spend on wages, your wage cap might be high but that doesn't mean you have to spend it all. In fact, I always use the edit budget tool to ensure that my wage cap is as small as can be just to make sure I keep myself in check. Sell players if you don't need them for high value, don't let their contracts dwindle and let them go on a free, sell them. You have 70 players on your books. 29 of them senior. That's too many. Let your kids be your backup, you can get rid of at least 10 players from your first team squad I reckon and probably for good money if you are Chelsea. 17 people are on first team or key player contracts. Way too many. I don't know how you are keeping them happy but your bank balance is suffering because of it. Wise words! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leavingtrain Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 This is part of the game I find frustrating. I spent three seasons managing Ajax where I was very frugal & managed to save 50 million for transfers before I left for Liverpool. Liverpool game me a wage budget of 1.2 million. I'm currently at 1 million, but bleeding money every week, which means I won't have any money to spend on transfers at season's end. The game could do a better job of helping manage finances. It's quite easy to get in the red while staying well under the wage budget due to hidden costs like bonuses & 'non-footballing costs'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just-Wool Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 That's part of the challenge with a club like Liverpool. IRL they are being bled dry by the leeches in power for money and the game reflects this, nothing much you can do but wait till the loan is over or hope a board takeover happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 Ok heres the thing do you really think i have a chance in selling a 34 or even a 35 year old player? i kept them on last season cuz they had a good season and came in handy for when the fixtures got tight. I will try and termiate the contract of around 3 players at the end of this season i will also look into selling Sturridge who i never play and Anelka who hasnt performed and is 32 years old on 90k p/w might also try selling Carvalho who is 33 years old and is on 51k p/w Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just-Wool Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 I never give a player who is over 30 a contract over 2 years anyway. Even then I only keep them if they were special icons. I would have sold them a couple of seasons ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev147 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Ok heres the thing do you really think i have a chance in selling a 34 or even a 35 year old player? i kept them on last season cuz they had a good season and came in handy for when the fixtures got tight.I will try and termiate the contract of around 3 players at the end of this season i will also look into selling Sturridge who i never play and Anelka who hasnt performed and is 32 years old on 90k p/w might also try selling Carvalho who is 33 years old and is on 51k p/w Yep that seems a good first step and you may be able to sell the keeper if you transfer list him for a small price tag and offer him a very poor contract so he rejects your offer and hopefully he accepts the other teams contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 Ballack is/was an icon he scored me around 15 goals just in the CL last season nearly won it all by himself his contact runs out end of next season along with Decos and Malouda's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev147 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Ballack is/was an icon he scored me around 15 goals just in the CL last season nearly won it all by himself his contact runs out end of next season along with Decos and Malouda's Try and get rid of them this season and make some money rather than let their contract run out. Sentiment is a lovely thing but this is FM- its a dog eat dog world! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just-Wool Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 indeed, last season was the time to cash in. Thanks Ballack for doing that, now you have had a good season your value is the highest it will ever be. Bye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 some good new im still top of the league after 29 games (1 game in hand) on 76 points Man City are 2nd on 61 points im still in the FA Cup and Champions League Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 ok so i won the EPL so that should help now just the FA Cup and Champions League left Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev147 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 ok so i won the EPL so that should help now just the FA Cup and Champions League left They say success breathes success! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 dont bother having a go at Man Utd guys ............as the debt is crazy losing more than 10m a month will go bust soon unless Bill Gates takes over!!!!!!! ps cant help noticing in game Valencia are secure but in real life are running debts of 400m plus????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 Beat Roma in the quarter finals 4-1 on agg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 Beat Man City in the semi finals of the CL 6-3 on agg got Madrid in the final Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev147 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Beat Man City in the semi finals of the CL 6-3 on agg got Madrid in the final Looking good Jamie! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 ok so won the CL yet im still £35M in the red :S also board going to add 294 seats at 500k is it worth it :S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev147 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 ok so won the CL yet im still £35M in the red :S Give it time Jamie! Edit: Oh well done on the CL! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 wth i now have anouther loan for the staduim upgrade 35k a month :S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 ok ive managed to get my wages down to 1,699 p/w managed to earn £7M letting 4 players go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just-Wool Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 It happens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just-Wool Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 ok ive managed to get my wages down to 1,699 p/w managed to earn £7M letting 4 players go Heading the right way there mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 no 1 is intrested in Ballack or Anelka so looks like im stuck with them till the contracts expire next season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butros Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Offer them out on loan so that you won't have to take the salary costs maybe? /JB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 ok down to 1,657 p/w think thats as low as im going to get it this season and have sold £10M worth of players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev147 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 So whats your balance and transfer budget now then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 Balance is £25M Transfer Budget £60M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev147 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 Balance is £25MTransfer Budget £60M Seems a bit of a silly budget in terms of the board giving you money to spend that you do not have, and you have still got loans to pay aswell. Did Roman make an investment to the club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 yep £50M plus i have anouther loan now of 500k :S for a 294 seats upgrade :S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev147 Posted December 11, 2009 Share Posted December 11, 2009 yep £50M plus i have anouther loan now of 500k :S for a 294 seats upgrade :S Correct me if I am wrong but is that an increase in capacity by 294 seats! That sounds like a slap in the face with a wet fish!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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