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graemeS
05-12-2009, 03:21
I have noticed quite a few people most pics of alleged 'regens,'

If you look at the date of birth and the year, you can see quite easily these are not regens but rather young players who were in the game in 2009-2010.

So has anyone got any genuine regens?

Secondly, why do the young players hardly develop from ages 14 to 21?

They remain stuck on useless stats, despite having great potential ability, good coaching and first team action.

In fact, as some are reporting, within a few years, there are hardly any great or even very good players left to purchase.

In other words, the game can't be played for more than 4 or 5 seasons with any realism.


Now before people queue up to moan about my criticism, let's see some evidence.

Let's see some players in 2020 that look good. Someone must be there by now.

charlo116
05-12-2009, 03:44
It depends on what leagues you load and the size of database you are using. If you have a small database or not very many leagues loaded it is unlikely you will be able to play a long term game because there won't be enough good newgens produced.

mickybhoy1888
05-12-2009, 04:39
http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr275/mickcfc2k8/fm20.jpg

this good enough??

http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr275/mickcfc2k8/fm21.jpg

Some Guy!
05-12-2009, 04:47
I have noticed quite a few people most pics of alleged 'regens,'

If you look at the date of birth and the year, you can see quite easily these are not regens but rather young players who were in the game in 2009-2010.

So has anyone got any genuine regens?

Secondly, why do the young players hardly develop from ages 14 to 21?

They remain stuck on useless stats, despite having great potential ability, good coaching and first team action.

In fact, as some are reporting, within a few years, there are hardly any great or even very good players left to purchase.

In other words, the game can't be played for more than 4 or 5 seasons with any realism.


Now before people queue up to moan about my criticism, let's see some evidence.

Let's see some players in 2020 that look good. Someone must be there by now.

What the fail?!

Genuine? Any player with a generated face was made entirely by the game and is hence a regen.

I'll just plonk up the regens in my side for ya mate, the season is 2015-16: Regens (http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4536/regn.jpg)

Also, do yourself a favour. If you want to see if these are "genuine" regens, search them in your database.

Only a few more seasons to 2020 and I've personally got some good regens. Can't wait to see how Gillett and Williams (who has basically been tipped by my coaches to become a legend) develope. Not to mention the polish on Yildiz, Zubov, Zamani and Guga and the further developement of Yahi and such.

Chutzkfb
05-12-2009, 04:58
I too have noticed that young players with great potential dont progress much, no matter what coaching you give them

Some Guy!
05-12-2009, 05:05
What the fail?!

Genuine? Any player with a generated face was made entirely by the game and is hence a regen.

I'll just plonk up the regens in my side for ya mate, the season is 2015-16: Regens (http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4536/regn.jpg)

Also, do yourself a favour. If you want to see if these are "genuine" regens, search them in your database.

Only a few more seasons to 2020 and I've personally got some good regens. Can't wait to see how Gillett and Williams (who has basically been tipped by my coaches to become a legend) develope. Not to mention the polish on Yildiz, Zubov, Zamani and Guga and the further developement of Yahi and such.


I too have noticed that young players with great potential dont progress much, no matter what coaching you give them


How have you been trying to develope them. Mine seem to be developing...

Chutzkfb
05-12-2009, 05:17
Yes ive been trying to develope them. for instance i bought machaeda when he was 18. he is no 21 n his stats are the same? ive also notice young players in other teams just staying the same

Some Guy!
05-12-2009, 05:24
Yes ive been trying to develope them. for instance i bought machaeda when he was 18. he is no 21 n his stats are the same? ive also notice young players in other teams just staying the same

How have you been trying to "develope" them, just seems like you're stating that you're "developing" them. That could mean anything from sending them on loan to the use of Horse Plecenta these days.

I had one player like that, but the rest seem to be developing nicely.

Chutzkfb
05-12-2009, 05:29
I usually change there training schedule to raise the areas that are low in stats. then i play him as often as i can. usually cup games or on as a sub. how do u develope players? any tips?

Hershie
05-12-2009, 05:41
In my opinion:

- Keep them in U18 (or whatever your youth team is) until they're 17/18. Ensure they have good training schedules, but at this time in their career I'd say it's more important they develop as a whole, and focus on becoming a well-rounded player, rather than to excel in their position

- If they're a top prospect, possibly at 17 look to loan them out to someone a few divisions below (maybe L1/L2 or the equivalent of). Don't loan them to someone too high up the pyramid.

- If you choose to keep them, or while waiting for offers: play them in cup games, put them on the subs bench, give them the occasional start in low pressure/unimportant games.

- If they're good, but not world class potential or a wonderkid keep them in the youth team until they're 18, then look to loan them out to a lower team. If they're not good enough to come near the first team, you'd be wasting your time playing them. Usually by 18/19 you can tell if someone is ready or not.

- Once they're in the first team squad, make their training more intensive and make them train with the first team and feel part of the squad. Here focus on training them specifically to be a top player for their position.

- It is essential to avoid burnout. Some players may excel if dropped in at the deep end, but be careful. Monitor their performances closely. If they look to be suffering from nerves, try to mentor them. Give them a player to learn from, and be supportive in your management. Try to ease them in and out of the team, and make it clear that they're a player very much in your plans for the future.

- If they get injured, ensure they recover properly and have more than enough time out. Do not try to over do their physical training to try and get them back to fitness - they're young, and assuming they're not very unfit naturally, they should recover very well.

- If they're an understudy to a player in the first team, it could be a good idea to get the two players to work together in training. When developing a player, it's important that both you and the player know what is wanted in terms of their development, and how you see them being used in future.


Anyone got anything to add/contest?

Some Guy!
05-12-2009, 06:04
My usual method includes...

Playing them! That and tutoring them.

Basically, if their good enough, they're old enough. I just make sure they don't play too much when they're young. Jimmy Williams has been doing wonders in the first team despite the fact he looks like complete **** on paper! He's developing though.

Simon Gillett the next into the firing line. He's made one cup appearance and I've just subbed him, we're 1-0 up against Chelsea in the 65th minute, but my main striker (Zubov) isn't firing today. 2 offside goals though. Let's see how the kid does (He's in here, near the bottom (http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4536/regn.jpg)).

Some Guy!
05-12-2009, 06:07
HE SCORED!!! SIMON GILLETT YOU BEAUTY!!!

Looks like he'll be getting some game time now!

Final score, Derby 3 - 2 Chelsea...

graemeS
05-12-2009, 10:47
It depends on what leagues you load and the size of database you are using. If you have a small database or not very many leagues loaded it is unlikely you will be able to play a long term game because there won't be enough good newgens produced.

Well that's ridiculous. It says i am meant to use just 3 leagues. As it happens, I'm using 2 - england and italy. I am also using a medium database.

Now if the game cannot be played with a medium database and only 2 leagues, it should say that somewhere in the instructions.

silva_gunner
05-12-2009, 10:53
Well that's ridiculous. It says i am meant to use just 3 leagues. As it happens, I'm using 2 - england and italy. I am also using a medium database.

Now if the game cannot be played with a medium database and only 2 leagues, it should say that somewhere in the instructions.

IT can be played, but the quality of players will fall. most people who play long term game shave figured this out by now.

graemeS
05-12-2009, 10:55
As it happens, I am doing all you suggest above, Hershie. I agree completely and that is the approach I am taking.

However, I have noticed 15 year old players with moderate stats and great potential are not actually developing. A number of others have also noticed this. And this is despite excellent coaching, excellent youth coaching, and lots of loans.

The stats just don't move much at all. In my opinion, the stats are hardly moving and so the only players who become great are those amazing players at 15 or 16. Those who could have become very good rather than great do not because their stats don't move.

I echo the sentiment re: macheda above. I considered signing him but pulled out and observed his development. His stats didn't improve over 4 years at man utd. Neither did the stats on my excellent young players.

One player at 15 was described as "one of the best prospects of his generation" at 15 and he has hardly developed at all.

There is YET ANOTHER bug in this half-finished farce of a game.

To make matters worse, I have selected 2 leagues and medium database some people are saying this will render the longterm game very unrealistic. SI need to learn how to test their games before releasing them. It's farcical how many bugs and problems are present in this game.

graemeS
05-12-2009, 10:58
IT can be played, but the quality of players will fall. most people who play long term game shave figured this out by now.

yeah i have noticed that over the years and I'll tell you why:

The muppets from SI don't test the game longitudinally over 10-15 seasons.

Here's the reason they don't:

a) they only care about game reviews and they know most reviewers will only play 1-2 seasons
b) they don't give a damn about paying customers, which is why they released a game that crashes constantly for most people and which is full of bugs
c) both of the above.

I mean, how difficult can it be to create a game in which the generation of new players follows a reasonably realistic path? It can't be that difficult!

silva_gunner
05-12-2009, 11:09
If you noticed it why yhe hell didn't you run more than 2 leagues? Sounds like its your fault not SIs.

Dougeh
05-12-2009, 12:13
If you noticed it why yhe hell didn't you run more than 2 leagues? Sounds like its your fault not SIs.

Because SI have provided a clear warning sign for us that says regen will be severely effected if you dont run X many leagues haven't they.

Tool.

Bongo-Bongo
05-12-2009, 12:15
I've seen plenty of regens developing very nicely in my game. Most of mine are developing at exactly the rate I hoped for, whilst one I had little hope for is starting to suprise me. I do have one player who was tipped to be one of the best players of his generation who isn't developing that well, but that's not exactly unrealistic. What's more is that the AI seems to be capable of developing regens now.

hitemfrank
05-12-2009, 12:19
Even with only two leagues runing you will still get world class regens coming through. They will just be very rare (even more so than normal).

jbutton
05-12-2009, 12:27
Germany have a lot of good regens because they dont have the proper players playing for them, thats why alot of my regen prospects are german :)

scribs
05-12-2009, 12:32
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8216/17797240.jpg (http://img692.imageshack.us/i/17797240.jpg/)

graemeS
05-12-2009, 13:37
yeah well they shouldn't be rare, regardless of how many leagues you run. It's ridiculous!

If you play 2 leagues, the game should perform just as well as if you run 7 leagues.

Doesn't that make logical sense to anyone?

Agreed also with the person who bemoaned the lack of a clear 'warning' by SI re: lack of quality of game long-term when running fewer leagues.

In fact, the system advised me to run 3 leagues or less - which is the contrary of what the 'tool' above suggested.

So I repeat myself - how hard can it be to ensure a reasonable number of regens come into the game? Answer: it's not that hard, if SI give a damn.

thompe
05-12-2009, 14:06
Whats the determination stat and personality of the players that dont improve, greameS?

teej9
06-12-2009, 01:03
yeah well they shouldn't be rare.

Truly world-class players should be very rare.

Personally, I find that of the best parts of FM is searching for the next big star. If every player that came through my academy was a star it would be boring and unrealistic. Im playing a medium db with three leagues loaded and have found plenty of high quality guys. Look through under-21's and create a filter that shows what you believe to be key attributes and search team by team, league by league. You have to put in a bit of effort but it's worth it.

You not being able to find good players can hardly be described as a bug. Let's call lack of patience or poor scouting.

HunkOfJunk
06-12-2009, 01:15
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u100/HunkOfJunk/FernandoHistory.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u100/HunkOfJunk/Fernando.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u100/HunkOfJunk/Fernando2.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u100/HunkOfJunk/Fernando3.jpg

Is that enough development for you?

slipknot67
06-12-2009, 01:15
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u339/slipknot261175/22OlafMenger.png

http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u339/slipknot261175/11Anselmo.png

Here are just a couple of the 'genuine' regens from my Arsenal team in 2017.

AnfieldRoad10
06-12-2009, 01:26
yeah i have noticed that over the years and I'll tell you why:

The muppets from SI don't test the game longitudinally over 10-15 seasons.

Here's the reason they don't:

a) they only care about game reviews and they know most reviewers will only play 1-2 seasons
b) they don't give a damn about paying customers, which is why they released a game that crashes constantly for most people and which is full of bugs
c) both of the above.

I mean, how difficult can it be to create a game in which the generation of new players follows a reasonably realistic path? It can't be that difficult!

I don't have much to say to this other than you're talking out of your arse.

In response to your 'points' find me another development team who puts in the effort that SI does, or listens to their customers as much as SI does, do EA do it? Do Eidos? If so, i stand corrected, but somehow i very much doubt it.

The game isn't perfect no, it never will be, no game is. It is however the closest we have to a lifelike sim atm. Instead of just openly criticising SI why don't you try to come up with some reasoned, intellectual arguments and suggestions?

DanGLiverpool
06-12-2009, 01:34
Created in the second season at Bolton, here is Englands best regen, Chris Harrison

http://i50.tinypic.com/2m43789.jpg

medo24
06-12-2009, 03:05
To graemeS: I've been reading many of the posts you have been posting recently and they are all pretty similar in the fact that you are criticizing SI without offering much constructive criticism. Would it not be more helpful to SI if you did a bit of research and post the results to back up all your criticisms and give some ideas as to what you think they could be done to improve the game rather than ranting about how SI don't care about the game just as long as they sell.

You might say that it is SI who make the game and they should have tested all the possibilities but you have to remember that there are an awful lot of permutations when you consider the number of leagues, the size of database and the number of players retained.

I don't think its the number of good regens that's the problem, it's the fact that some regens don't have the attributes you might expect. There can always be improvements in this aspect in this area of the game but the way that I look at it is that it is the same situation for the AI so it is a level playing field. I don't see how this would make the game unplayable but that is for people to decide for themselves. It's all about opinions so it is impossible to please everyone all of the time.

Well that's my opinion on the regen issue, any comments that dis/agree are welcome and hopefully there can be a proper discussion rather than just ranting.

gosam
06-12-2009, 11:18
The OP does have a fair point. While those newgens *are* real, their average CA/PA is higher when they're being created during the first year. Just have a look through the regen thread and compare the regens that are created later in the game to those who are 17/18 by 2010.

IIRC someone explained it as being a result of ticking "add key staff" on game creation, resulting in the the team with relatively small u18 and reserve squads getting regens to fill them with some of them being too good.

Maybe someone could do some testing?

Unknown Hacker
06-12-2009, 11:42
http://i49.tinypic.com/nn7dhe.png
http://i49.tinypic.com/16lkyhd.png
http://i48.tinypic.com/33x80ur.png

Note the fact that this is St. Blazey...

Kain
06-12-2009, 11:58
Yes, those last 3 screenshots look in no way suspicious, as though you've just added players with 20 in all positions with an editor.

fyl2u
06-12-2009, 12:02
[I MG]http://i49.tinypic.com/nn7dhe.png[/IM G]
[I MG]http://i49.tinypic.com/16lkyhd.png[/I MG]
[I MG]http://i48.tinypic.com/33x80ur.png[/I MG]

Note the fact that this is St. Blazey...

:eek: What the...?

fyl2u
06-12-2009, 12:04
Yes, those last 3 screenshots look in no way suspicious, as though you've just added players with 20 in all positions with an editor.

Actually, I started a game with the Brazilian quickstart in the FM10 demo and all the players and coaches were like that... just rows of the same number, so it doesn't look too suspicious to me, though I know what you mean. :)

Unknown Hacker
06-12-2009, 12:17
Yes, those last 3 screenshots look in no way suspicious, as though you've just added players with 20 in all positions with an editor.

I do know what you mean, but that isn't what happened. Why would I need to cheat anyway when at this point I have won every trophy possible for St. Blazey?

Saevel
06-12-2009, 12:18
One of the biggest problems with regens this year is that they're very focused in on a few attributes. I'm in 2017, and when I do a search and want players with several attributes at a reasonable level, all I can find are 26+ year olds.

From looking at regens, most seem to have very very good technical and physical attributes, but they're nearly always horribly flawed in the mental department. It's not uncommon for the best young players in the world (in 2017) to have decisions at 5 or Off the ball at 7. This is somewhat disturbing.

arsenalboy
06-12-2009, 13:39
1) Do you think loading the english league from league 2 to premiership; the top two leagues of both Spain and Italy; and the top league only of France, holland, Germany and Portugal will give me good regens? I know a lot of people go into eastern Europe and south America.

2) also for you personally which leagues do you run mainly for having regens with no intention to manage there? I only just started a new save so if the above question means I won't get many good ones, I'd like to know from the long game players where quality comes from mainly.

Some Guy!
06-12-2009, 14:08
Hmmm... I'm actually not sure if it matters if a league is active or not.

Some of the best regens I've seen are from leagues that aren't active so far.

Zubov, Tikhonov and such (my best players) were from the Ukrainian and Russian Leagues and yet they're not active.

However, Australia are producing rubbish players and that is one of the few leagues I have active.

ozzymanborn
06-12-2009, 16:21
Actually I think regens mainly made retained nations or clubs area... For making up retired players... And also I think If Germany file and Japan file were it's place usually Germany and Japan creating some regens... And If Germany and Japan use real players they creating less regens...

Thebaker
06-12-2009, 16:37
Whats the determination stat and personality of the players that dont improve, greameS?

Last year on fm09 whether players improved was mostly down to their hidden professionalism stat., i assume it the same on fm10
this is why tutoring can be so important, also playing time make a huge difference, a player can improve a lot with game time or a good tutoring experience even when in their early 20's

Oba Martins
06-12-2009, 16:48
http://i49.tinypic.com/nn7dhe.png
http://i49.tinypic.com/16lkyhd.png
http://i48.tinypic.com/33x80ur.png

Note the fact that this is St. Blazey...

That actually made me lol

FMRTE anyone???

SCIAG
06-12-2009, 16:57
St Blazey are a level 10 side, right? You're in 2021/22. It doesn't add up. You'd have to get successive promotions every year, qualify for the Champions League in your first season, win it in your second, and win the CWC and Super Cup afterwards. Nigh on impossible.

IbaltaxGrape
06-12-2009, 18:17
St Blazey are a level 10 side, right? You're in 2021/22. It doesn't add up. You'd have to get successive promotions every year, qualify for the Champions League in your first season, win it in your second, and win the CWC and Super Cup afterwards. Nigh on impossible.

Where there is impossible there is a little thing called FMRTE

thompe
06-12-2009, 18:42
Last year on fm09 whether players improved was mostly down to their hidden professionalism stat., i assume it the same on fm10
this is why tutoring can be so important, also playing time make a huge difference, a player can improve a lot with game time or a good tutoring experience even when in their early 20's

True, to a degree. Its Determination, Professionalism and Ambition that mainly affects the speed that a players increase their CA which is gained trough playing games. Work rate probably has an effect also. But, just playing games is not enough, they need to play well, therefore its not suitable to play a 16 yo in your first team if he is not good enough.

And as to why I was asking for his players personalities, its becuase professionalsim and ambition are displayed through personalities if you are not using a 3rd party tool.

Jops14
06-12-2009, 19:58
Personally ive seen plenty of good regens. And i enjoy searching for them. 2014 and in my newcastle side i have about 5 regens who will move into the first team in a few years, and 2 of these seem to have attributes increasing rapidly each month (1 american and 1 egyptian). On top of that ive seen plenty of other good regens lying around, and its already got to the stage where some are playing in their national teams, or are too expensive for my team.

I dont think its much of a problem, although you do get a fair few with poor mental attributes. It does seem to be harder than ever to find world class regens, but i havnt noticed a huge problem.

Brian Shanahan
06-12-2009, 20:21
Haven't developed any yet but I have (or will have) these three from other clubs:
http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv217/BrianShanahan/22PierreHartmann.png
http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv217/BrianShanahan/CarstenRauscher.png
http://i685.photobucket.com/albums/vv217/BrianShanahan/ChristianKouassi.png

I am using Gillsmins retain players edt file for FM09, it works fine for me on FM10
I took a peek at them wit FMRTE (after buying) and Kouassi will be a real star, PA over 170.

thompe
06-12-2009, 20:40
I took a peek at them wit FMRTE (after buying) and Kouassi will be a real star, PA over 170.

He wont be, unless you raise that determination stat. ;)
Its just to poor. What is his personality?

teej9
07-12-2009, 04:46
Yeah, Kouassi's mentals are just awful. Find him a very good mentor.

William.Hua
07-12-2009, 06:26
Just in the second season, so this is the best till now.
Baught from West Brom in this window, 6.5M.

http://i48.tinypic.com/30csil5.jpg

Thebaker
07-12-2009, 10:14
He wont be, unless you raise that determination stat. ;)
Its just to poor. What is his personality?

Sorry to be picky but do you mind quoting the right person when replying, as you have given the impression i use fmrte when i don't.

graemeS
07-12-2009, 10:24
http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u339/slipknot261175/22OlafMenger.png

http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u339/slipknot261175/11Anselmo.png

Here are just a couple of the 'genuine' regens from my Arsenal team in 2017.

fine but olaf menger doesn't look great, he looks like a squad player with those mental stats.

It doesn't help when people criticise others for pointing out flaws in the game. There is evidence all over this site that the quality of players declines over a 10-20 year period.

That is not something to praise and claim makes the game 'more challenging.' It would be more challenging if the game remained realistic and you were competing against great teams. If there are only 3 world class players in the whole game and you have them all due to obsessively scouting them, bully for you. But it's not a positive thing, so quit claiming it is.

It's because of people like this that SI get away year after year with their appallingly developed games.

graemeS
07-12-2009, 10:25
Just in the second season, so this is the best till now.
Baught from West Brom in this window, 6.5M.

http://i48.tinypic.com/30csil5.jpg

he's only 16! It's all very well claiming he's a 'great regen' but watch his stats! I doubt they'll develop much over the next 10 years!

This is the whole point. Young pplayers are not developing as they should.

graemeS
07-12-2009, 10:32
To graemeS: I've been reading many of the posts you have been posting recently and they are all pretty similar in the fact that you are criticizing SI without offering much constructive criticism. Would it not be more helpful to SI if you did a bit of research and post the results to back up all your criticisms and give some ideas as to what you think they could be done to improve the game rather than ranting about how SI don't care about the game just as long as they sell.

You might say that it is SI who make the game and they should have tested all the possibilities but you have to remember that there are an awful lot of permutations when you consider the number of leagues, the size of database and the number of players retained.

I don't think its the number of good regens that's the problem, it's the fact that some regens don't have the attributes you might expect. There can always be improvements in this aspect in this area of the game but the way that I look at it is that it is the same situation for the AI so it is a level playing field. I don't see how this would make the game unplayable but that is for people to decide for themselves. It's all about opinions so it is impossible to please everyone all of the time.

Well that's my opinion on the regen issue, any comments that dis/agree are welcome and hopefully there can be a proper discussion rather than just ranting.

This is a proper discussion. And no, I don't think I need to remember anything. This game is a farce that crashes constantly for many, is ridden with bugs and is deeply flawed in many arenas. It's a game I paid for and so I don't feel I need to 'balance' my comments or offer constructive criticism. The game is simply not good enough.

Having said that, it does have potential and if they could resolve the long-term playability, youth development and bugs/crashes issues, they might have a hit on their hands.

It's extraordinary to me that some individuals come here and defend the indefensible. It's nothing personal against SI developers or against those who love the game! It's just that this game is not up to the standard I would expect!

I have - on numerous occasions - made suggestions of how i feel the game could be improved and if you look at the 'unhappy with fm 2010, post comments here' thread you'll see one of them.

I look forward to hearing your response to my 13 suggestions to improve the game on that thread. And please try to be objective and honest rather than saying nothing at all.

graemeS
07-12-2009, 10:36
I don't have much to say to this other than you're talking out of your arse.

In response to your 'points' find me another development team who puts in the effort that SI does, or listens to their customers as much as SI does, do EA do it? Do Eidos? If so, i stand corrected, but somehow i very much doubt it.

The game isn't perfect no, it never will be, no game is. It is however the closest we have to a lifelike sim atm. Instead of just openly criticising SI why don't you try to come up with some reasoned, intellectual arguments and suggestions?

Haha! The effort SI put into game development can't be that good if they have to release 2 patches within the first few weeks simply to make the game functional for most people! Almost everyone experienced repeated crashes until the patches!

Listening to customers?

Just because they created this website? They close down threads that are criticial and fail to respond to most of the comments. This is a fairly low-cost PR exercise.

Your attitude is typical of many on here in that you almost talk about SI as though it's a charity. That's pretty good PR on their part.

It's a money-making corporation.

Any effort they make in coming up with patches etc. is all about ensuring they don't go bankrupt when everyone takes the game back to the store, pointing out the fact it doesn't actually work.

Stop being so naive and get a grip.

Hawshiels
07-12-2009, 11:49
In my opinion:

- Keep them in U18 (or whatever your youth team is) until they're 17/18. Ensure they have good training schedules, but at this time in their career I'd say it's more important they develop as a whole, and focus on becoming a well-rounded player, rather than to excel in their position

- If they're a top prospect, possibly at 17 look to loan them out to someone a few divisions below (maybe L1/L2 or the equivalent of). Don't loan them to someone too high up the pyramid.

- If you choose to keep them, or while waiting for offers: play them in cup games, put them on the subs bench, give them the occasional start in low pressure/unimportant games.

- If they're good, but not world class potential or a wonderkid keep them in the youth team until they're 18, then look to loan them out to a lower team. If they're not good enough to come near the first team, you'd be wasting your time playing them. Usually by 18/19 you can tell if someone is ready or not.

- Once they're in the first team squad, make their training more intensive and make them train with the first team and feel part of the squad. Here focus on training them specifically to be a top player for their position.

- It is essential to avoid burnout. Some players may excel if dropped in at the deep end, but be careful. Monitor their performances closely. If they look to be suffering from nerves, try to mentor them. Give them a player to learn from, and be supportive in your management. Try to ease them in and out of the team, and make it clear that they're a player very much in your plans for the future.

- If they get injured, ensure they recover properly and have more than enough time out. Do not try to over do their physical training to try and get them back to fitness - they're young, and assuming they're not very unfit naturally, they should recover very well.

- If they're an understudy to a player in the first team, it could be a good idea to get the two players to work together in training. When developing a player, it's important that both you and the player know what is wanted in terms of their development, and how you see them being used in future.


Anyone got anything to add/contest?

This is good avice. A couple of other things that will help ...

1. Whatever strategy you choose, check their match ratings every 3 months or so. This is VERY important. If their match rating is below 6.0 (or thereabouts), it means you've placed them into a league that is too difficult for them. Their "current ability" points will not increase enough if you do this. Equally, if their score is consistently above 6.6 (or thereabouts), you've probably got them in a league that is too easy for them. Again their current ability points will not be increasing as much as if they were playing against higher reputation teams in higher reputation leagues. Remember that it is the combination of match ratings, league reputation and opposition reputation and minutes on the pitch that determine the rate at which the current ability points are increased. You need to get the balance of this just right. I see too many people complain about the non-development of the younger players but I can tell you that this balance will be way off. The guidlines I've given you here should help to develop them very well.

2. Always remember to include the leagues (at least as view only) that you expect to be sending your players out to. If you don't, again they will not progress as quickly as they should - mainly because the system does not process them correctly in non-activated leagues.

3. Be careful about who you ask to tutor them. It has to be someone with higher reputation (which is usually the case anyway), and it has to be someone with high degrees of professionalism. If it's not, they'll "pick up the bad habits" and not develop quickly. The more professional they are, the more they will have their attributes shaped appropriately to meet the needs of their position (and the way you play them).

Hope that helps because it is almost a formula you can use to develop them.

p.s. The figures I've given you here are based on FM09. The reason I've not taken the time to do proper research into FM10-specifics is because I'm loving playing the game too much at the moment. Fantastic!!! I've never played a game for 31 seasons before so it's a sign that they've got something right with this one.

edfica
07-12-2009, 11:50
Regans are made on the following dates (this is found out by going 2 a club in that country, then transfers, history, promoted youth players)

"Jan 1 - Brazil, Chile
Jan 5 - Rep. Ireland, Iceland
Jan 7 - Finland
Jan 10 - Colombia
Jan 15 - Africa (exc South Africa)
Jan 20 - Norway
Jan 28 - Peru

Feb 14 - Belarus

Jun 7 - Baltic States, Georgia, Bosnia, Cyprus, Armenia, Montenegro, Albania
Jun 20 - Germany, Ukraine, Portugal, France, Turkey, Israel, Australia, Scotland, Hungary, Croatia, N.Ireland, Greece, Switzerland
Jun 24 - England, Austria
Jun 29 - Slovakia
Jun 30 - Italy, Czech Rep, Poland

Jul 1 - Romania, Bulgaria, Slovenia
Jul 7 - Denmark, Holland
Jul 10 - Serbia, Spain
Jul 15 - South Africa
Jul 20 - Mexico

Aug 1 - Argentina, Uruguay

Sep 19 - North/Central America & Caribbean, Ecuador, Bolivia, Venezuela, Paraguay

Dec 9 - Japan, Middle East
Dec 27 - Russia, USA, China, Sweden"

taken from http://loswonderkids.com/community/topic/6144-regen-release-datescreation-dates/

Therefore u can save your game 1 day before - if you can't find any good ones re load your game.

htreloar88
07-12-2009, 12:26
I had a few ok players coming through on my last save with west ham, and noticed a few players emerging, mainly from eastern europe, and then bought by the big clubs.

thompe
07-12-2009, 12:57
Sorry to be picky but do you mind quoting the right person when replying, as you have given the impression i use fmrte when i don't.

Wow, didnt see that. Im sorry about it, wasnt on purpose :)

thompe
07-12-2009, 13:01
This is the whole point. Young pplayers are not developing as they should.

Do you mean regens only or young players in general including those who are in the game from the start?

Frederico EJ
07-12-2009, 16:40
Currently being tutored by Torres, has played alot of first team footie already, just scored 2 at Old trafford, legend in the making!

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3065/francisojoseage16.jpg

HunkOfJunk
07-12-2009, 16:53
This is the whole point. Young pplayers are not developing as they should.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u100/HunkOfJunk/Fernando.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u100/HunkOfJunk/Fernando2.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u100/HunkOfJunk/Fernando3.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u100/HunkOfJunk/Fernando4.jpg

Is that good enough development for you?

graemeS
07-12-2009, 19:00
yes that's fairly good.

how did you achieve that?

if you wouldn't mind...

Some Guy!
07-12-2009, 19:09
Something tells me that he played the player in the first team...

No money on what tells me that...

I've got two player developing very rapidly too, it's not exactly quantum mechanics (though we could discuss player potential as a wave function), proper training, good coaches, good tutoring and of course, most vitally, FIRST TEAM FOOTBALL!

HunkOfJunk
07-12-2009, 19:11
Something tells me that he played the player in the first team...

No money on what tells me that...

Errr Ding! Ding! Ding!

Yeah he had a mixture of starts, subs and Reserve games. I also had Aguero mentor him.

Some Guy!
07-12-2009, 19:14
Errr Ding! Ding! Ding!

Yeah he had a mixture of starts, subs and Reserve games. I also had Aguero mentor him.

I've got two youngsters who are basically putting some of my previously starting players on the transfer list. Absolute beasts. In fact, I may have mentioned them on this thread before.

Jimmy Williams and Simon Gillett.

Jimmy Williams is now basically first choice leftback, despite an inability to dribble, and Gillett is not only featuring in commericals with Tiger Woods, but also banging in goals like a pro. He's also getting quicker by the day!

Also, if you are to play them often, make sure not to burn them out!

BrianQuinn
07-12-2009, 19:15
I love it how some people think regens are some sort of mysterious creature lol.

Some Guy!
07-12-2009, 19:18
I love it how some people think regens are some sort of mysterious creature lol.

Hi-five!

That's the best way to put it.

They are simply a replacement to the players in the game. Why do people always treat them differently.

REGEN PRIDE!

HunkOfJunk
07-12-2009, 19:19
I've got two youngsters who are basically putting some of my previously starting players on the transfer list. Absolute beasts. In fact, I may have mentioned them on this thread before.

Jimmy Williams and Simon Gillett.

Jimmy Williams is now basically first choice leftback, despite an inability to dribble, and Gillett is not only featuring in commericals with Tiger Woods, but also banging in goals like a pro. He's also getting quicker by the day!

Also, if you are to play them often, make sure not to burn them out!

Fernando was just selected in World Team of the Year, 2nd to Aguero in European Footballer of the Year, 2nd to Aguero in World Footballer of the Year and European Striker of the Year.

44 Apearances 44 Goals 16 Assists Average Rating 7.54 not bad for an 18 year old that is still not garantueed 1st team football.

Some Guy!
07-12-2009, 19:24
Fernando was just selected in World Team of the Year, 2nd to Aguero in European Footballer of the Year, 2nd to Aguero in World Footballer of the Year and European Striker of the Year.

44 Apearances 44 Goals 16 Assists Average Rating 7.54 not bad for an 18 year old that is still not garantueed 1st team football.

Reminds me a bit of Eshan Zamani, my rightback.

I bought him as backup. Played him in the Community shield as my first choice was in bloody light training and not worth risking. Never looked back. He now averages around 7.40+ and kicks the crap out of every other rightback in the World. He's still only 21 and by a country mile the best rightback around.

Hopefully the now 18 year old Jimmy Williams can follow suit and make my flanks the best on the planet!

HunkOfJunk
07-12-2009, 19:28
Hi-five!

That's the best way to put it.

They are simply a replacement to the players in the game. Why do people always treat them differently.

REGEN PRIDE!

Beacuse they look funny and have weird names?

Some Guy!
07-12-2009, 19:35
Beacuse they look funny and have weird names?

Racist!

Do you have a problem with such amazing players like; Dick Hunter and Ross Ross?

HunkOfJunk
07-12-2009, 19:43
Racist!

Do you have a problem with such amazing players like; Dick Hunter and Ross Ross?

Hahahahaha I will always remember a screeie someone posted ages ago. Was somthing like this.


"Manager X wants Kok"

Some Guy!
07-12-2009, 19:49
Kok impresses

...or Panis finds space, was always good. But, as always, on a forum there's something better:

http://i454.photobucket.com/albums/qq266/Cardiovascular_photo/godick.jpg

...

roversawh7
08-12-2009, 01:05
Racist!

Do you have a problem with such amazing players like; Dick Hunter and Ross Ross?

Don't speak ill of Ross Ross!

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8404/star20832.jpg
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4328/scobe.jpg
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7564/cpbe.jpg
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/1269/chelseainfo.jpg

edfica
09-12-2009, 15:08
how do i add pictures - have some gud regens

Some Guy!
09-12-2009, 15:17
Don't speak ill of Ross Ross!

What makes it even better is that he's the best player in your game (probably).

jayahr
09-12-2009, 15:36
I too have noticed that young players with great potential dont progress much, no matter what coaching you give them

http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php?t=111311

:thup:

drinkup
09-12-2009, 15:59
when i was working at fc nantes i saw this kid, when i moved to psv i bought him, at age 15. His stats were so good i used him once in a while in the first team, when i moved to roma, i bought him again, and he was still young enough to be home grown at roma. he was a regular in the first team at 18.

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5046/14abdelkrimtrabelsi.png

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/5517/14abdelkrimtrabelsi2.png

edfica
09-12-2009, 18:55
file:///C:/Users/Eduardo/Pictures/New%20Folder/meloni1.jpg

file:///C:/Users/Eduardo/Pictures/New%20Folder/mon2.jpg

file:///C:/Users/Eduardo/Pictures/New%20Folder/gyy1.jpg

file:///C:/Users/Eduardo/Pictures/New%20Folder/guy2.jpg

file:///C:/Users/Eduardo/Pictures/New%20Folder/gunk.jpg

file:///C:/Users/Eduardo/Pictures/New%20Folder/rom.jpg

file:///C:/Users/Eduardo/Pictures/New%20Folder/ron.jpg

file:///C:/Users/Eduardo/Pictures/New%20Folder/sanch.jpg

file:///C:/Users/Eduardo/Pictures/New%20Folder/griff.jpg

file:///C:/Users/Eduardo/Pictures/New%20Folder/di.jpg

file:///C:/Users/Eduardo/Pictures/New%20Folder/ant.jpg

edfica
09-12-2009, 18:57
file:///C:/Users/Eduardo/Pictures/New%20Folder/meloni1.jpg

edfica
09-12-2009, 18:57
dam how do u do it??? please help

SCIAG
09-12-2009, 19:20
Eduardo: Upload the images to a website like Photobucket. Copy the hyperlinks across.

edfica
09-12-2009, 20:59
THANK U SCIAG

Bought from ac milan - 1.5mill loan with 18mil option. played as box 2 box mid. PA 188

http://img4013.photobox.co.uk/74361300049fef9b8dcc26847872680907d816d20449f5d0a4 7b3299443180cb8fda63a9.jpg

http://img4013.photobox.co.uk/637621360cec87c0fe8f14e22e3916291083580d86db16931f 2fe99f26196daa84d1bf14.jpg

bought for 18mill from lille - poacher PA 189

http://img4013.photobox.co.uk/85346408ac2382b2c31ffe52f2b6a1ef5e828c9d3ce95a4d91 e05cdbc9ca824685f9c340.jpg

http://img4013.photobox.co.uk/724025329110194062514664d3bee4e9c51828eb2d27203c3d be6742e37100ed15fb33de.jpg

edfica
09-12-2009, 21:10
bought for Stuttgart 27 mill PA 192

http://img4013.photobox.co.uk/48110249e289a64b6c1aa6bd924beac2313b2045976f27fdea 203479af7d4a40855b745a.jpg

bought as youngster from at madrid PA 185

http://img4013.photobox.co.uk/089925003e783527fe1858e7dcf968606b86011cabd523c2d8 1a6383f63bcb662ced54c3.jpg

bought as youngster form flamengo PA 195

http://img4013.photobox.co.uk/21723822274eba3af0addfb234d0f6a0edac29b0693e79011f 137cfbcdb37f1abbcdf809.jpg

HALEXB82
28-12-2009, 12:05
Yep, I have at least 5 wonderkids in my team, some of which has already turned world-class.
What I've noticed is that these wonderkids suddenly appears on july 1st - the time of their creation. They aren't 16 or 17, they're more likely to be 18-20 years old. So around this date I do a search for players between 17 and 20, and since I have an extensive scouting knowledge and most players in this age has been scouted already, I just take a look at those who are not scouted. I look at their career history, and when I see the combination of good attributes and the new season is their first, I know I've struck gold! Do it on the 1st of july, otherwise you must stand in line and buy them expensively from some other team. Just picked an 18 year old german right winger, and sure enough, after some gametime on loan at Fulham, and 4 games with me, he is now rated as a "wonder-kid"! Beautiful!

dking
28-12-2009, 12:14
I do know what you mean, but that isn't what happened. Why would I need to cheat anyway when at this point I have won every trophy possible for St. Blazey?

Sorry, but those stats are just totally unconvincing. I would like to take a very large bet that those are tampered with regens. Seriously mate, stop saying that there not tampered with because you're making yourself look daft, or maybe everything you're saying is tongue in cheek? In which case, I'll take it all back. ;)

On topic - I rarely seem to find any good regens and I'm running pretty much every league. People have said maybe it's my scouts, well, i can safely say it isn't them, there very good scouts with very good stats. Maybe I'm just unlucky.

BAD-RELIGION
06-01-2010, 03:57
Great player! i think is the best i saw in my save :)

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/39/mofokeng.th.png (http://img141.imageshack.us/i/mofokeng.png/)

14 seasons now, my game is almost only gens, and some are great ;)

Central defenders lack of jumping, and some others of heading :/
And Central Midfields lack of Positioning

Golaxi
06-01-2010, 04:27
In my opinion:

- Keep them in U18 (or whatever your youth team is) until they're 17/18. Ensure they have good training schedules, but at this time in their career I'd say it's more important they develop as a whole, and focus on becoming a well-rounded player, rather than to excel in their position

- If they're a top prospect, possibly at 17 look to loan them out to someone a few divisions below (maybe L1/L2 or the equivalent of). Don't loan them to someone too high up the pyramid.

- If you choose to keep them, or while waiting for offers: play them in cup games, put them on the subs bench, give them the occasional start in low pressure/unimportant games.

- If they're good, but not world class potential or a wonderkid keep them in the youth team until they're 18, then look to loan them out to a lower team. If they're not good enough to come near the first team, you'd be wasting your time playing them. Usually by 18/19 you can tell if someone is ready or not.

- Once they're in the first team squad, make their training more intensive and make them train with the first team and feel part of the squad. Here focus on training them specifically to be a top player for their position.

- It is essential to avoid burnout. Some players may excel if dropped in at the deep end, but be careful. Monitor their performances closely. If they look to be suffering from nerves, try to mentor them. Give them a player to learn from, and be supportive in your management. Try to ease them in and out of the team, and make it clear that they're a player very much in your plans for the future.

- If they get injured, ensure they recover properly and have more than enough time out. Do not try to over do their physical training to try and get them back to fitness - they're young, and assuming they're not very unfit naturally, they should recover very well.

- If they're an understudy to a player in the first team, it could be a good idea to get the two players to work together in training. When developing a player, it's important that both you and the player know what is wanted in terms of their development, and how you see them being used in future.


Anyone got anything to add/contest?

has there been any evidence to suggest that getting players to train together is benificial? how do you let them know what is wanted in terms of their development in the game?

are you sure at 17 you should still keep them in your youth team? don't they get better training as a pro in the reserves?

BungleFish
06-01-2010, 04:32
i swear wsomeone said he was useless (or words to that effect)
http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o361/SalmonCannon/macheda.jpg
http://i341.photobucket.com/albums/o361/SalmonCannon/mached2a.jpg

Golaxi
06-01-2010, 04:37
90 grand a week though. your having a laffffffffff son!

BungleFish
06-01-2010, 18:00
90 grand a week though. your having a laffffffffff son!

lol im not managing Man Utd....... blame Fergie/Mancini (who took over when Fergie retired)

nev147
06-01-2010, 18:18
With the recent debates of newgens on this forum in recent months it is clear that newgens do have great talent as seen by many peoples pictures.

However as many people have said the more countries/leagues you run the better newgens you will get. I only run a few leagues from one country due to laptop restrictions and it seems like people have said you may not get the very best newgens but why???

As I only play from one country then I can appreciate that I only have a minimal amout of players. But surely the quality newgens should be there but the quantity of newgens (run of the mill) should be far less and surely the original data base should be replaced with similar standard players but this does not seem to be the case.

Are people saying that you have to have a top of the range PC/laptop to get the best newgens and a poor computer will have the opposite results?

I can understand I will not get loads of quality newgens but I would expect to get a decent amount to replace the existing players in order to make the game as realistic and playable down the line.

Can someone please give me a reson for this without saying it is bacause you have a small database and play in one country becasue the database/no of players at the start of the game is fine but why cannot these existing players be replaced with players with similar ability and why therefore do I have to run every league and country under the sun to get these exceptional players. I understand I will not get the quantity but why not the quality - I still have around 10,000 players in the game- its a bad job if I am at a severe disadvantage here.

Cheers. :)

ArsenalFan7
06-01-2010, 18:23
[QUOTE=mickybhoy1888;4381462]http://i491.photobucket.com/albums/rr275/mickcfc2k8/fm20.jpg

I see a window saying 'vote for the..' who were you voting for :confused:
Very off topic I know

ArsenalFan7
06-01-2010, 18:24
HE SCORED!!! SIMON GILLETT YOU BEAUTY!!!

Looks like he'll be getting some game time now!

Final score, Derby 3 - 2 Chelsea...


Hahaha :p Classico

llDracoll
06-01-2010, 23:58
Well, I got this player from Gimnasia La Plata two seasons ago, while I was managing Hull City. Having bought Michael Owen on a free transfer months before, I made him teach Garrone, and it was successful. Well, that's what I think, do you think he developed well?

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2938/luisgarrone.png
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9906/luisgarrone2.png

He's had a hard time trying to get into the starting eleven when the other strikers are Mirko Vucinic, Oscar Cardozo, Giacomo Beretta (http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/6878/giacomoberetta.png) and J

BeautifulGame
07-01-2010, 01:19
My West Ham game...currently in 2015 (Sorry about the stupid sized screenies lol):

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6033/ashanismithseason7.jpg

His been quite slow to develop but Smith - who came directly from my youth academy - has built up a decent reputation for himself and has performed admirably in the first team.

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3501/samuelasareseason7.jpg

He's been an ever-present in my first-team for a couple of seasons now and was classed as a wonderkid before turning 21.

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8770/chrisjohnsonseason7.jpg

Another player to come out of my academy, Johnson has been incredible for me and is probably my favourite player. He is already a full international, but despite this his rep is only national and he isn't a wonderkid :confused:

BungleFish
07-01-2010, 01:19
Well, I got this player from Gimnasia La Plata two seasons ago, while I was managing Hull City. Having bought Michael Owen on a free transfer months before, I made him teach Garrone, and it was successful. Well, that's what I think, do you think he developed well?

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2938/luisgarrone.png
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/9906/luisgarrone2.png

He's had a hard time trying to get into the starting eleven when the other strikers are Mirko Vucinic, Oscar Cardozo, Giacomo Beretta (http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/6878/giacomoberetta.png) and J


lol at first glance i thought that was a CB but then i realised the language changes the order of the stats :D

BeautifulGame
07-01-2010, 01:20
Continued:

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/2945/pauloseason7.jpg

A truly insane keeper who I signed at 20 years old for 15m. He now has Worldwide rep and is one of the best keepers on my save.

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/636/gregboothseason7.jpg

The player I've been wanting to sign since he was 16, I may never get this incredible talent due to my rivalry with his team. Unsurprisingly, he also has Worldwide rep.