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Shocco
25-11-2009, 13:45
This guy is incredible, he literally scores in every game and as a result of this AC Milan are hugely overrated in the game, they are virtually unstoppable. I tell my players to do everything to him, tight mark him, show him onto his weaker foot, hard tackling and still he bags a hat-trick and I have Mexes marking him!

Check out these stats:

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5910/screenshot20091125at133.png

29 goals in 35 games, 12 assists, 11 man of the match awards are insane for any striker never mind an inconsistent 20 year old who struggles to hit 15 in the league every year!

Don't get me wrong I rate Pato highly but those are Van Nistelrooy esque stats. Pato won't be hitting figures like that for a few years especially with a midfield as bad as Milan's.

SteakAndChips
25-11-2009, 13:48
he literally scores in every game

he clearly doesn't and his stats are good, but not amazing.

he's no milevskyi

cruyff14
25-11-2009, 13:48
You could always edit his stats yourself to suit how you feel he is best with FMRTE ?

karanda_uk
25-11-2009, 13:56
he's actually not doing all that well in my game :p

Shocco
25-11-2009, 13:56
he literally scores in every game

he clearly doesn't and his stats are good, but not amazing.

he's no milevskyi

Ok so he hasn't scored in 5 games but if I took a snapshot earlier in the season you would see his goals exceeded the games he played in.

Plus his attributes may not be amazing but there are a lot of hidden stats you don't see that make him such an awesome striker for example he has a very strong rating for both his left and right foot which makes him deadly and his consistency stat is very high.

I don't understand how the fm makers could rate him this highly surely they must have tested this game?

As for Milevskyi he has poor composure as a result tends to buckle in one on one situations.

As for FMRTE I have a mac for which there is no version out which stops me from editing his stats.

Livew1re
25-11-2009, 13:58
on my liverpool game, i have hulk up front with torres, torres has about 24 in 30 and hulk has 32 in 29.

Riverplate
25-11-2009, 13:59
hmm, his stats are comparable to Messi and C.ronaldo.

makmak
25-11-2009, 14:01
Dzeko regulary averages around 1 goal per game in my saves...hes also double footed.
I had Cardozo on my Newcastle save..he was very close to 1 goal per game.


If they tone down Pato, i guess they would have to tone down a few other strikers..

Riverplate
25-11-2009, 14:02
By the way, strikers score way too much in the game. needs to tune it down just a little bit. usually irl top strikers score around 25-35 goals unless they are in superb form like C.ronaldo in the 07\08 season, scored like 45 goals in total, guy was on fire.

stokes_83
25-11-2009, 14:04
his attributes look about right to me. The guy is amazing IRL. He has a ton of ability.

And...if he "literally scored every game" he would be averaging at least 1 goal per game....no?

Riverplate
25-11-2009, 14:04
Dzeko regulary averages around 1 goal per game in my saves...hes also double footed.
I had Cardozo on my Newcastle save..he was very close to 1 goal per game.


If they tone down Pato, i guess they would have to tone down a few other strikers..

oscar cardozo? guy from benfica? his shooting, finishing, heading stats are impressive. he scores 1 goal per game for me but he keeps getting injured

Riverplate
25-11-2009, 14:06
his attributes look about right to me. The guy is amazing IRL. He has a ton of ability.

And...if he "literally scored every game" he would be averaging at least 1 goal per game....no?

he is the best player in milan right now, ronaldinho is coming back slowly. imma watch him tomorrow in the Champions league.

Shocco
25-11-2009, 14:18
Like I said earlier if I posted a picture of his profile it was over 1 goal a game, we'll see what it's like at the end of the season. I think Riverplate made a good point when he stated strikers score too many goals in fm 10.

Dzeko, Cardozo, Gignac, Ibsevic, Benzema, Miccoli, Hoarau, Totti, Higuain, all have amazing statistics

Some are warranted like Totti and maybe Dzeko and Higuain and obviously the "world class" strikers like Torres, Ibra and Eto the rest though are overrated.

Shocco
25-11-2009, 14:21
Just as I posted that Milan Baros has hit 16 goals in 13 games in Europe...

Livew1re
25-11-2009, 14:26
i dont think its the face that the strikers are so good, more a case of the defending in the game is very shoddy.

Rhinocerous
25-11-2009, 14:27
whinewhinewhine

makmak
25-11-2009, 14:40
oscar cardozo? guy from benfica? his shooting, finishing, heading stats are impressive. he scores 1 goal per game for me but he keeps getting injured


Played whole season for me with no problem...33 league goals...basicaly cheaper version of Dzeko with awesome free kick ability.

fmtc.wordpress.com
25-11-2009, 14:44
A bit of stats from my game about Pato. He has 16 goals, 19 assists in 32 matches in the Serie A.

Milan do play with one striker tactic though (4-2-3-1).

Ezequiel_Lavezzi
25-11-2009, 15:20
I saw Peter Crouch score about 40 goals in 1 save game. He has 19 finishing. :D

Shocco
25-11-2009, 15:25
To further emphasise the point:

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/702/screenshot20091125at152.png

One word: IMPOSSIBLE

SimonBside
25-11-2009, 15:30
strikers are crazy, even at league 2 level. i played a save with shrewsbury and kris bright scored about 35 in 46.....he's useless IRL :-)

DanGLiverpool
25-11-2009, 15:33
Haven't got the Italian leagues running, but Pato for me has 206 goals in 276 career games. That is a lot tbf :D Only 3 20+ goals per season in 10 seasons though.

9 in 5 games this season too. Maybe not having the league active could have something to do with that abnormality, but you have a point tbf.

Joop
25-11-2009, 15:35
Seeing Pato's fitness state, your hard tackling instruction worked pretty well ;)

Shocco
25-11-2009, 15:42
Another one:

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4391/screenshot20091125at154.png

Defoe anyone?

aw083
25-11-2009, 16:03
I'm managing Milan, and Pato is absolutely incredible. These were his stats in his first season, in all games:

55 played, 43 scored, 22 assists, 12 MOTM, 7.43 rating

Huntelaar playing alongside him also got 28 for good measure, while Afellay playing behind the two scored 19. I signed Dzeko for this season and by February he and Pato have (I think) about 45 goals between them so far. :D

CPS
25-11-2009, 17:33
David Villa is probably the worst if we are talking about barely believable goal ratios as he has 74 goals in 69 appearances for an AI Valencia on my save in a season and a half.

Pato has 39 goals in 58 appearances on the same save.

FMBOY619
25-11-2009, 18:23
I'm currently playing as Tottenham and Peter Crouch has been in great form. Throughout the whole season he scored 30 goals in 42 appearrances. its quite unbelieveable!!

Fox2k
25-11-2009, 18:25
Pato is a fantastic player in real life. No need to tone down at all.

aston_martin
25-11-2009, 18:35
It's not Pato that needs toning down, it's the amount of goals scored in general, which IIRC SI have admitted to there being a problem which will be changed. It's only natural that if goals in general are too much, you will see good strikers score too much.

nev147
25-11-2009, 21:39
Just had a quick read and I do agree that certain players to seem to 'fill their boots' a bit more than they should. In regards to Pato and CPS mentions Villa (similar to my game btw) that both Milan and Valencia have star players in Pato and Villa and all most everything goes through them with the team being tailored to fit the needs of those two players and consequently they score lots of goals. Milan and Valencia organise there teams around them. If for example if Pato went to barcelona and you had Zlatan and Pato up frontand messi just behind then Pato would not get as many goals as the players around him are at an equal level and will take goals away from him due to their ability and the fact that he is not a big fish in a small pound but a small fish in a big pound.

Also look at both Patos and Villas team mates and I bet they have arounf 50% of the teams goals which is a hell of alot and consequently their team mates will not score as many goals as Pato and Villa are effectively a one man team.

Just playing devils advocate but I do agree with the general trend.

Also a great point by DanGLiverpool was about not having the background league of the given player as you cannot see the league or games so in effect they are not so valid as to a degree they are made up I would assume. :)

Deathorglory
25-11-2009, 22:47
as many people have said the problem is not with pato its with the game engine. if you look around you'll see all the great strikers score ridiculous amounts of goals. ibra, torres, tevez, higuian, benzema all regularly hit 40+.

Danny Dire
25-11-2009, 22:53
David Villa is probably the worst if we are talking about barely believable goal ratios as he has 74 goals in 69 appearances for an AI Valencia on my save in a season and a half.


This is mainly because he almost never misses a penalty and can score the occassional free kick, coupled with the fact he is the most lethal striker in the world in real life.

Pawel_lfc
25-11-2009, 23:02
And tone up Aquilani. Very underrated.

CPS
25-11-2009, 23:23
This is mainly because he almost never misses a penalty and can score the occassional free kick, coupled with the fact he is the most lethal striker in the world in real life.

That's fair enough, but can you remember a striker at the very highest level ever scoring in excess of a goal a game on a consistent basis? You'd probably have to go back to Gerd Muller.

aw083
25-11-2009, 23:45
And tone up Aquilani. Very underrated.

In fairness...how would anyone possibly know that? Based on his 30 seconds against Debreceni I have to say I'm largely undecided on his ability...

Pawel_lfc
26-11-2009, 00:09
In fairness...how would anyone possibly know that? Based on his 30 seconds against Debreceni I have to say I'm largely undecided on his ability...

He did play at Roma before that. Just because he has been injured his stats have decreased ~30%

aw083
26-11-2009, 00:20
Yeah I know and I know he was very good for Roma. But there's no frame of reference for how he should be this season. His CA will likely be much lower than previous games until he's back to match fitness and plays a full season.

Rice2cu
26-11-2009, 02:08
Its not just Pato tbf. Loads of strikers hit 30 odd goals a season in FM10.
Neymar hit 33 in 37 for me at West Ham and he was only 19 with only 13 in finishing.

Pawel_lfc
26-11-2009, 02:26
Yeah I know and I know he was very good for Roma. But there's no frame of reference for how he should be this season. His CA will likely be much lower than previous games until he's back to match fitness and plays a full season.

Oh right. Yeah, hmm I see Torres is injured, lets turn his stats down a lil bit too?

The point of reference is how he played at Roma.

aw083
26-11-2009, 02:33
Aquilani has been injured even since before he signed for Liverpool. He's played as a sub, what, three times this season, all of what? Half an hour at the most. That's my only point. Nobody knows how good he is within the team of Liverpool in the 2009/10 season. The only point of comparison is Roma in the 2008/09 season. I'm not doubting he's a good player. I said that before. Just that this season in England there'll be plenty of Liverpool supporters thinking "who the heck is this guy and is he any good at all?"

Pawel_lfc
26-11-2009, 02:48
Aquilani has been injured even since before he signed for Liverpool. He's played as a sub, what, three times this season, all of what? Half an hour at the most. That's my only point. Nobody knows how good he is within the team of Liverpool in the 2009/10 season. The only point of comparison is Roma in the 2008/09 season. I'm not doubting he's a good player. I said that before. Just that this season in England there'll be plenty of Liverpool supporters thinking "who the heck is this guy and is he any good at all?"

Again, his stats should not have dropped from those that were existing and researched during his time at Roma.

aw083
26-11-2009, 02:52
Stats always decrease from non-playing time. Aquilani's non-playing time has been longer than most this year. Just look at stats during post/pre-season. That's what happens. That's my only point. He was good in FM09, he was good for Roma IRL last year. This year, he's something of an unknown for Liverpool (not to mention long-term injured), Liverpool supporters, and followers of the English Premier League, so...his stats will clearly be down on what they were last time around.

rinso
26-11-2009, 07:27
Real Madrid signed him from Milan in 2015 in my save, cost em 78m. He has just been signed by man city, 121 league games/82 goals later for a whopping 29m. Thats some really daft business by Real imo, especially as theyre still the richest club in the world by a mile, and he's still only 29, and last season he got 8.04AR for all competitions..

CowSimao
26-11-2009, 08:18
In my Benfica save, the 2nd top scorer in the Portuguese league is a 34 year old named Alex Alves with 7 finishing, 7 heading, and just crap attributes in general. This makes it quite obvious how it's a match engine issue, not DB related...

Serdar
26-11-2009, 09:53
A healthy Pato is one of the best strikers IRL at the moment


"29 goals in 35 games, 12 assists, 11 man of the match awards are insane for any striker never mind an inconsistent 20 year old who struggles to hit 15 in the league every year!"

I can not agree with this, last year he had some injuries and he was just getting taste of first team football. He already started better this year and he is just getting better. I can see Pato scoring 30 goals in Serie A for consecutive seasons assuming he starts 35 games for Milan.


In my Benfica save, the 2nd top scorer in the Portuguese league is a 34 year old named Alex Alves with 7 finishing, 7 heading, and just crap attributes in general. This makes it quite obvious how it's a match engine issue, not DB related...

There are other factors such as the style of the team he is playing for. There are teams who always aim for a fox striker and even an average striker can score many goals in such environment because they are getting countless balls in every game. I remember some years back a Brazilian fatty called Ailton from Bremen become Bundesliga top scorer and the guy had nothing special, just in the right place in the right time.

LSS
26-11-2009, 18:07
In my game Pato didn't do very well at Milan and ended up on the bench while Huntelaar and Paloschi were the starters.
I signed him on a free transfer to Atletico and he's been doing great for me. :P

I think there are other players that need more toning down than Pato, though. Like Tevez for example.

Vandalay
26-11-2009, 18:13
Should this not be in the data forum?

simon07
26-11-2009, 18:23
I have a 16 year old regen, and in his first season in the Hungrian 2nd Division he has scored 21 goals in 9 games.

x42bn6
26-11-2009, 20:58
Good lord those are some ridiculous physical attributes. His jumping should be around 7-8 and his strength 9-10 - he's not huge or strong in any way, just really hard to knock off the ball.

Danny Dire
27-11-2009, 10:55
That's fair enough, but can you remember a striker at the very highest level ever scoring in excess of a goal a game on a consistent basis? You'd probably have to go back to Gerd Muller.

I take your point and as good as Daivid Villa is in the game he is no Gerd Muller.

PGB_SPURS_FM09
27-11-2009, 11:13
My mums maiden name is Hoarau lol but we're not related :( tis funny

mum is from same French island.

Rest of my family is English tho, and we're all white... not that it makes it impossible for them to be related tho. (mum said that she thought it was a white name from what she knows so was surprised when he was black.) I must stop digging myself a hole

On topic i think all strikers score a ridiculous amount... Ibra scored loads on mine

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/730/8zlatanibrahimovic.png

Romanista.
27-11-2009, 11:47
pato in my game: season 1 16 apps 7 goals
season 2 till january 17 apps 3 goals

though miccoli from palermo is crazy-scoring.

vasilli07
27-11-2009, 14:56
Edin Dzeko another goal scoring god...

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/8417/25edindzeko.png

And not forgetting Crouchie...

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7607/15petercrouch.png