Carradona Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 I had a little peek at the liverpool squad in my current game, since they are my favourite team. I noticed that one of their backup keepers had made 10 apps as a sub! Reina had no injuries in his history for this season. Rarely any, but that's besides the point. That made me check the other teams, and quite a few other goalies had made alot of appearences as a sub. In my world, as far as I know, keepers only get brought off in case of injury. So why does the AI "waste" subs on keepers? Anyone else notice that, or can back up my "findings"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinso Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Man U just done it against me (Liverpool) in the 2017 league cup final when winning 2-0. They got their 2nd goal just after half time, and promptly took Foster off and brough on an Italian regen. Final score (after extra time) 3-2 to Liverpool! Have had Chelsea do it against me as well, taking off Cech (yes he's still playing) and bringing on regen. Its probably happened a few more times, but i dont really pay attention to what subs the opposition are making, I just concentrate on my team... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carradona Posted November 19, 2009 Author Share Posted November 19, 2009 Haha, good going vs man utd! If any of you are at least halfway into a season, can you have a look at all the squads and see if its common for the AI managers to sub their keepers on a reguar basis? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinso Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Haha, good going vs man utd! If any of you are at least halfway into a season, can you have a look at all the squads and see if its common for the AI managers to sub their keepers on a reguar basis? Just started another match so I'll have a flick through after this one and post back whats happened so far in the Premiership. I'm into Feb now, so should get a decent picture of whats been going on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody2goody Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Is it a bug? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff PaulC Posted November 19, 2009 SI Staff Share Posted November 19, 2009 It sounds like a bug. Can someone who has witnessed it save the pkm and send it to me if possible? Cheers, Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinso Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Is it a bug? Need a lot more info before we can say yes or no to that one. Right, had a look through the stats for this season so far for teams in the premiership (most played 30 games) and here's what we see: Arsenal > 8 made, 0 through injury Man Utd > 11, 0 through injury Wolves > 8, 0 through injury Forest > 5, 0 through injury Hull > 3, 0 through injury Bolton > 2, 0 through injury Bristol City > 1, 0 through injury. The rest of the teams, (Liverpool, man city, villa, chelsea, spurs, newcastle, everton, sunderland, west brom, stoke, binrmingham, leeds and west ham) have not used their sub keeper in a match. So, 7 out of 20 teams have done it, and for 3 of those teams, it appears to have been for no other reason than to give an "up and coming" keeper (21 or younger) some match experience. That is, unless the starting choice picked up a knock and was subbed to preserve their fitness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carradona Posted November 19, 2009 Author Share Posted November 19, 2009 Im not talking about what I have witnessed in games here, Im talking about overall stats on other teams. Im playing as AFC Telford. In march of 2015 Reina has played 43 games. The liverpool backup keeper has 0 (11) as his games stats. United backup has 8 subs Villa backup has 12 subs (Main keeper has 1 sub) Burnley backup has 2 subs Neverton backup has 8 subs (It's not a typo, I've already mentioned Im aliverpool fan ) That's my rundown on the 2015 Premiership sides as of the first of march. It's no epidemic, but it's still odd in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff PaulC Posted November 19, 2009 SI Staff Share Posted November 19, 2009 Thanks to rinso, who is mailing me a pkm example Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carradona Posted November 19, 2009 Author Share Posted November 19, 2009 So, 7 out of 20 teams have done it, and for 3 of those teams, it appears to have been for no other reason than to give an "up and coming" keeper (21 or younger) some match experience. That is, unless the starting choice picked up a knock and was subbed to preserve their fitness. Have you EVER seen that in any game in reality? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinso Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 PaulC > No problem! Carradona > No, I havent. The only times I can recall a 'keeper being subbed off (irl) other than for injury, is when they only need a couple of appearances to be able to receive a title winners medal. That's not taking into account when they have been playing absolute pish, of course! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carradona Posted November 19, 2009 Author Share Posted November 19, 2009 No, I havent. The only times I can recall a 'keeper being subbed off (irl) other than for injury, is when they only need a couple of appearances to be able to receive a title winners medal. That's not taking into account when they have been playing absolute pish, of course! Oh, that is actually a very good reason that I overlooked. But I still stand by observation and claim that that isn't the case here Im not saying that this is a bug, or that it is gamebreaking, Im just saying that it's wierd. And it could still be very odd/wierd/uncommon. Im extremely interested in other peoples stats on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rinso Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Well, it's not the case considering the teams involved. The title battle is between my Liverpool and Man City. The rest of the teams are a fair way back, and only Man U and Arsenal are in the top 10. Add to that, the example I gave was in the League Cup Final. That doesn't fit that theory. Im not saying that this is a bug, or that it is gamebreaking, Im just saying that it's wierd. And it could still be very odd/wierd/uncommon. Im extremely interested in other peoples stats on this. Agreed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saved_by_barry_horne Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Just seen it my Everton vs Derby match. I was 1-0 but down to 10 men with about 20minutes to play and Derby subbed their keeper who was playing a 6.8. Wasn't even as though they brought a youngster on either. If you want the PKM then let me know i saved it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tottenhamfmo7 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Looks like a bug. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carradona Posted November 21, 2009 Author Share Posted November 21, 2009 New season, still a freakish amount of AI gk subs. Man City even has 3 backups with subs! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carradona Posted November 21, 2009 Author Share Posted November 21, 2009 I hate myself and I know I deserve a beating for mentioning the word bump, but can anyone please check your your saves? Does your AI sub the keeper without a very good reason very often over a season, or is it just me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Strict Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Yes this is a frequent occurence on my game as well. I am playing a long term holiday game with spurs, and am approaching 2025 having only taken charge of the first two seasons. My assistant manager will perform a keeper substitution in around 1 third of my games in a season. In the pre-game editor I seem to remember de-activating his "Plays with keeper on bench" command, and I also gave him 20 for squad rotation*. GK subbing happens in a moderately large number of games not involving my team as well. *could it be an error with this stat that is causing this bug? Maybe managers with high squad rotation don't discriminate against GKs enough. In my fourth season, in the FA cup final, my assman put two keepers on the bench and subbed them both on during the game, unfortunately i dont think this match is still active. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carradona Posted November 22, 2009 Author Share Posted November 22, 2009 Im still drunk from yesterday, so I will say this without shame: bump. Gah, I still hate myself. Please check your saves. And listen to the ramones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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