bobatwal Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I have 786 mb ram and what to go to 4gb of ram How many Leagues could i run and is it wise to upgrade? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottmp Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 obviously it is wise(ish) to upgrade but to 4GB may be a little extreme if you only have 786MB now. Have u checked your computer is compatible with so much, because often they are not Leagues wise depends on more than just your ram, and tbh it depends more on your processer than anything else Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 whats your current specs 4gbs would be useless if your not using 64 bit windows Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephanie McMahon's Secret Lover Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 2Gb is probably the max. Any more is a waste. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobatwal Posted November 5, 2009 Author Share Posted November 5, 2009 My clock is 2.10 ghz but its says i can get 4gb ram Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGulls Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 It depends on the rest of your system as well, but it will certainly help. Upgrading is the cheaper option but there are alos some good deals on cheap pc's so if your system is really old then it may be better to look at the overall package. I have no idea how many leagues you could run as I do not have your full system specs, but as an example my PC is a Quad Core Processor, 4gb RAM, NVidea 9000 series Graphics Card - Windows 7 and it runs the following countries with a large database English - All + Regional Prem Divisions Scottish - All Wales - All Spain - All Germany - All Italy - All Portugal - All Austrailia - All France - All N.Ireland - All Hungray - All Austria - All My game processes the fixtures results very quickly with very little time to stop and think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 what is it an AMD or Intel what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobatwal Posted November 5, 2009 Author Share Posted November 5, 2009 Its is an AMD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGulls Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 2Gb is probably the max. Any more is a waste. Not techincally true if you are running 32 bit windows 7 it will utilise nearly all of 4gb mine is currently using 3.68gb RAM, so no not a waste. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 yea but what right click on my computer an go to properties what does it say? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zmiler9 Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I have 786 mb ram and what to go to 4gb of ramHow many Leagues could i run and is it wise to upgrade? Processor Upgrade would be best option at least a Dual Core or Quad Core if you want to run lots of leagues Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobatwal Posted November 5, 2009 Author Share Posted November 5, 2009 How much will that cost Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie543 Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 bobatwal i need your full processor details is it a AMD Athlon 5000+ ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobatwal Posted November 5, 2009 Author Share Posted November 5, 2009 Amd Athlon (td) 64 x2 Dual Core processor 4000+ 2.10 GHZ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Unit-LFC Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 What about with a dual processor then?? How many leagues would you reccomend with a dual processor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temp Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 yea you would notice a difference with 4GB (technically 3GB in 32bit) but also processor is very important. I have a Phenom Quad and the 4 CPUs really helps the game speed and the amount of leagues i can run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falastur Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 I take it it's a pointless question, but you aren't using Windows XP are you? Win XP doesn't know how to use more than 2Gb RAM, which should affect your decision somewhat, but if your PC thinks it can use 4Gb I'm guessing it's Vista. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyPass Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 I added to 4gb to my PC to take it to 8gb. I ran tests to see how long a holiday game with all nations and league set as playable would take until 1 November. It was 6mins slower with 8gb than it was with 4gb. I made sure I had nothing else running in the background, and I do have a 64-bit o/s. In conclusion - anything more than 4gb seems pretty pointless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indi75 Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 I added to 4gb to my PC to take it to 8gb.I ran tests to see how long a holiday game with all nations and league set as playable would take until 1 November. It was 6mins slower with 8gb than it was with 4gb. I made sure I had nothing else running in the background, and I do have a 64-bit o/s. In conclusion - anything more than 4gb seems pretty pointless. Nonsense. I went from 4 to 8 a while back, is much faster for FM, as it should be. clearly something is amiss in your machine, albeit running an FM holiday is not entirely scientific testing. You sure you set it back up to proper timings in the BIOS? Is it dual channel configured? Have you allowed the FSB to drop? Are the sticks different speeds or latencies? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyPass Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Nonsense. I went from 4 to 8 a while back, is much faster for FM, as it should be. clearly something is amiss in your machine, albeit running an FM holiday is not entirely scientific testing.You sure you set it back up to proper timings in the BIOS? Is it dual channel configured? Have you allowed the FSB to drop? Are the sticks different speeds or latencies? I agree it's nonesense. However, it did happen. It was quicker with FM09 by about 20mins, but not FM10. It's also a brand new system. I have not changed anything with the bios. It is dual channel configured. The sticks are identical, and the only games loaded are FM09 and FM10. I've got Windows 7 ordered so I'm hoping that will make a positive difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyGaz Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 obviously it is wise(ish) to upgrade but to 4GB may be a little extreme if you only have 786MB now. Have u checked your computer is compatible with so much, because often they are not rubbish. it would need to be very very very old for it not to support 4GB. aklso i need to point out that it is not RAM that is restricted to 4GB by 32 bit versions of windows. its not the ram thats limited, its the memory addresses. which include things other than ram, hence why systems show 3.5 or 3.25 of RAM, cause other things need some addresses too. and its easily bypassed by using PAE (physical address extension) which raises the limit to 64GB. though only 4GB per application. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indi75 Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 It will. It's actually a lot slicker than XP based on many of the machines I've been upgrading for people. You might just need to defragment the hard drives and have a general clean up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blanchflower1 Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 I added to 4gb to my PC to take it to 8gb.I ran tests to see how long a holiday game with all nations and league set as playable would take until 1 November. It was 6mins slower with 8gb than it was with 4gb. I made sure I had nothing else running in the background, and I do have a 64-bit o/s. In conclusion - anything more than 4gb seems pretty pointless. SI has stated that anything more than 4GB of RAM is useless because FM is still a 32-bit application. If FM changes to a 64-bit application in the future, 8GB of RAM would be useful! Maybe more! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butters76 Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 I have 786 mb ram and what to go to 4gb of ramHow many Leagues could i run and is it wise to upgrade? WoW, 768mb today. It's like half way through booting Windows your computer goes: " Wait, what was I supposed to do again", just like when people come into a room and can't remember why they went in there. Ram,cpu,hdd are the most important things for FM, unless you have a really ****** gfx card. And remember it's not just the size of the RAM that matters, but also the speed. 2GB of 1600Mhz ram is faster better than 3GB of 800mhz ram. But your motherboard have to support it. Also for harddisks that in single setups are the real hickup in todays computers. But having 2 (raid 0) or 4 (raid 5) disks in raid setup speeds up delivery of data to memory alot faster. Coz then it reads and writes from all disks at the same time. Raid 0 (2 disks) gives you 100% of the diskspace but no fault tollerance Raid 5 (4 disks) gives you 75% of the diskspace and has fault tollerance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM1000 Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 It depends on the rest of your system as well, but it will certainly help. Upgrading is the cheaper option but there are alos some good deals on cheap pc's so if your system is really old then it may be better to look at the overall package.I have no idea how many leagues you could run as I do not have your full system specs, but as an example my PC is a Quad Core Processor, 4gb RAM, NVidea 9000 series Graphics Card - Windows 7 and it runs the following countries with a large database English - All + Regional Prem Divisions Scottish - All Wales - All Spain - All Germany - All Italy - All Portugal - All Austrailia - All France - All N.Ireland - All Hungray - All Austria - All My game processes the fixtures results very quickly with very little time to stop and think. I didnt know that you can run so many leagues on a PC!!I have a laptop with 2 GB ram and dual core 1.6 Ghz and i run 4 leagues max. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indi75 Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 SI has stated that anything more than 4GB of RAM is useless because FM is still a 32-bit application. If FM changes to a 64-bit application in the future, 8GB of RAM would be useful! Maybe more! If only it were that straightforward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymondafc Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 You have how much RAM?? Blimey, I only have 512mb. No really, I'm being deadly serious. Recommended set up on my PC: England L2 and Above:o Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler42 Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Keep in mind FM10 is capped at 2GB since its a 32x application. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekman Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 I have 786 mb ram and what to go to 4gb of ramHow many Leagues could i run and is it wise to upgrade? Press start, click run and type dxdiag in the box that appears. Once this loads press save all information and then post the details of this file. That way you'll get much better help I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amaroq Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 It made a huge difference when I went from 1 Gb to 2 Gb. The thing is, the way a PC works is, if it has enough RAM to do what you want it to do, it uses RAM. If it doesn't, it decides to use some of your hard drive as "virtual memory" - now, instead of writing chunks of data to RAM, its writing chunks of data to the hard drive. RAM can be up to a 100 times faster than hard drive, depending on the RAM speed and hard drive speed. So, lets say your save-game needs 500 megs of RAM and your operating system needs 250 ... no problem, 750 < 768, so your game should be fast: your processor is the limiting factor. Now, if the save game grew just a bit, and needed 525 megs of RAM ... now you have a problem: 775 > 768, so you're now using "virtual memory": basically, every time you hit Continue, you'll hear your hard drive churning away as the game "swaps" data between the physical RAM and the hard drive. Your game will feel galacially slower than it did an hour earlier when it "fit" in your physical RAM. The further you go past that tipping point, the slower the game gets. So, yes, upgrading from 768 should make a huge difference ... what you upgrade TO is going to affect how many leagues you can run without reaching Virtual Memory. .. And if you have enough that you're not swapping, then adding more RAM will not make FM faster AT ALL; at that point, you need to upgrade the processor to see any improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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