Cantens Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 I very much doubt so, but is there a way one can block the creation of 'newgens' in the game? To be honest, to me (and not just me) those kind of ruin the 'realism' of the game - particularly since they've started popping up in large numbers from the very first season on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tottenhamfmo7 Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 I don't think there is, if you really wanted to you could maybe edit the coding of the game, but I reckon thats bloody hard to do! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantens Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 Not having a Ph. D. in computer studies, I share that concern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtyscarab Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 For people who play LOOOONG games (ie 10+ seasons), then regens are, well vital. If it wasn't for those pig-ugly sons of guns, then there would be no players to manage. Unfortunately, if you're only interested in playing a couple of seasons then, nope you can't turn 'em off I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-evo Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 They kind of have to be there. Otherwise players will get older (obviously) and worse and have nobody to replace them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboydonegood Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 what a bizarre thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uusinjsh Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 They kind of have to be there. Otherwise players will get older (obviously) and worse and have nobody to replace them. They would eventually retire, wouldn't they.. And who would play then..? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantens Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 Oh, absolutely, I can see their purpose in the long run. But I preferred the time when newgens or regens didn't pop up from the start, and the legendary 'grey players' completed small squads. Newgens are quite annoying when you prefer realism over speed (= selecting as many leagues as possible and thus proceding quite slowly:). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-evo Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 what a bizarre thread And what an awful post . If you think about it properly, people will find teams playing New Gens in the game early on pretty unrealistic and would rather play the real United squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantens Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 My point exactly, peter-evo! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-evo Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Yeah, and I completely understand. But putting it in is completely impossible. They would either: a) have to put a time cap on the game (ends after five years) or b) go back to the grays. Neither of these are practical mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theboydonegood Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Not come across any major side playing a new gen in the first season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter-evo Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 No, but lower league sides do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomHAVFC Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 If regens weren't in the game then it would end after 20 seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantens Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 For the record: I do realize most people don't bother about the newgens, and I obviously understand why they're necessary in the long run. I'm merely asking whether there's a technical possibility to block the creation of artificial players (ánd staff), for those who'd like to keep their games as realistic as possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiitastic Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 My point exactly, peter-evo! in a perfect world, no player would retire and be awesome for the next 50 years. if there wasnt any regens then we wouldn't have much of a game to be honest and worthless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiitastic Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 My point exactly, peter-evo! For the record: I do realize most people don't bother about the newgens, and I obviously understand why they're necessary in the long run. I'm merely asking whether there's a technical possibility to block the creation of artificial players (ánd staff), for those who'd like to keep their games as realistic as possible. Dude, doyou watch any football wether its live in person or on television ? so having 0 new players to come in for their 1st season of pro football is realistic inthe real world ? get real ... there are plenty of 16-18 year olds in their 1st season of pro-football in real life all over the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiitastic Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 No, but lower league sides do. only after January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantens Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 in a perfect world, no player would retire and be awesome for the next 50 years.if there wasnt any regens then we wouldn't have much of a game to be honest and worthless. Again: I'm not saying the regens phenomenon should disappear, I'm just wondering whether it's possibl, for people who dón't like it, to stop the creation of fake players and staff. And let's be objective: is it really necessary regens appear from the start on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantens Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 only after January. Incorrect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantens Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 Dude, doyou watch any football wether its live in person or on television ? so having 0 new players to come in for their 1st season of pro football is realistic inthe real world ? get real ... there are plenty of 16-18 year olds in their 1st season of pro-football in real life all over the world. And your point is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiitastic Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 No, but lower league sides do. Incorrect. actually it's totally correct.a newgen is a player who replaces a retired player. there has never beena player retire before january 1st 1st season ever before on any cm or fm games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiitastic Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 And your point is? I was clearly replying to your opening post. that was a silly reply from you, very silly, just like your thought of wanting ZERO newgens in the game, very silly request and opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantens Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 actually it's totally correct.a newgen is a player who replaces a retired player. there has never beena player retire before january 1st 1st season ever before on any cm or fm games That was before 2009. Check the two most recent games, and you'll find newgens from the start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantens Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 I was clearly replying to your opening post. that was a silly reply from you, very silly, just like your thought of wanting ZERO newgens in the game, very silly request and opinion. Not really, because when you indeed have tons of real-life 16 year old players around the world, there isn't an immédiate urge to introduce fake youngster, no? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiitastic Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 And your point is? Not really, because when you indeed have tons of real-life 16 year old players around the world, there isn't an immédiate urge to introduce fake youngster, no? well you don't also see clubs with zero real players in the real world do you ? all clubs have enough players to satisfy their playing needs. Clearly in FM you cant have every club in the games database as a manager who is controlling the club live like we do in the game thus the need for grey players in leagues/nations that aint atleast viewable on our saved games. You see, I have an answer for everything, keep them coming Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiitastic Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 That was before 2009. Check the two most recent games, and you'll find newgens from the start. I'm more than happy for you to show me a newgen that has come into the game right after the retirement of a player in the database on any day before January 1st of the 1st season. Screenshot needed please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscotti Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 actually it's totally correct.a newgen is a player who replaces a retired player. there has never beena player retire before january 1st 1st season ever before on any cm or fm games I'm pretty sure this is completely untrue. As I remember it, new players stopped being dependent on retirees when they switched from Regens to Newgens. We moved from Newgens to FREDs quite a few years ago now, and they most definitely have no correlation with players retiring Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiitastic Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 I'm pretty sure this is completely untrue. As I remember it, new players stopped being dependent on retirees when they switched from Regens to Newgens. We moved from Newgens to FREDs quite a few years ago now, and they most definitely have no correlation with players retiring there is still a strong link between players who retire and new players who come into the game on a 6 month basis, however, there is a magical number of players who come into the game due to other reasons also Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9sublime Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 Whats the difference between a grey player and a new gen in a short term game? They are both fake players at the end of the day?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irchard Posted November 1, 2009 Share Posted November 1, 2009 I don't understand this thread at all. Is the OP asking to be able to stop newgens from appearing entirely? Or just to prevent the first batch generating and filling up teams with empty squads right at the beginning? I guess that would make a bit more sense, but still not much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantens Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 well you don't also see clubs with zero real players in the real world do you ? all clubs have enough players to satisfy their playing needs. Clearly in FM you cant have every club in the games database as a manager who is controlling the club live like we do in the game thus the need for grey players in leagues/nations that aint atleast viewable on our saved games. You see, I have an answer for everything, keep them coming Sir, you truly are the master of comebacks. I clearly can't compete with your debating powers, thus reluctantly withdraw in irony. I also won't provide a screenshot of a newgen. You've convinced me those weird looking youngsters aren't newgens, they must be premature botox victims. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantens Posted November 1, 2009 Author Share Posted November 1, 2009 I don't understand this thread at all. Is the OP asking to be able to stop newgens from appearing entirely? Or just to prevent the first batch generating and filling up teams with empty squads right at the beginning? I guess that would make a bit more sense, but still not much. The second option. I'm surprised by the stunned reactions here, is it really that odd to prefer a game that doesn't include fake players (at least for the first season)? FM-veterans will remember that ís how the game used to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biscotti Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 The thing I don't get, is that you say you'd like to turn them off for realism, but if they aren't there then the teams that are playing them would almost certainly be playing "grey players" in their place, which are also made up players, but they aren't always the same players for every match... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Riz Remes Posted November 2, 2009 SI Staff Share Posted November 2, 2009 A few facts to put things straight: - Newgens are totally new players created by the game and have no link to any existing players that have retired from the game. Newgens tend to get created around the same time older players retire from the game but there is no link between the data of the two groups. - I'm not sure why OP would prefer the grey virtual players over newgens. Both are as "unrealistic" since neither are based on the real life DB and both kind of players are generated by the game. Both type of players appear in matches and the difference is that the newgen players stick around in the game to have a career, whereas grey virtuals are just emergency placeholders to fill empty teams when needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantens Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 A few facts to put things straight:- Newgens are totally new players created by the game and have no link to any existing players that have retired from the game. Newgens tend to get created around the same time older players retire from the game but there is no link between the data of the two groups. - I'm not sure why OP would prefer the grey virtual players over newgens. Both are as "unrealistic" since neither are based on the real life DB and both kind of players are generated by the game. Both type of players appear in matches and the difference is that the newgen players stick around in the game to have a career, whereas grey virtuals are just emergency placeholders to fill empty teams when needed. I preferred the grey players because - as you say - they don't develop during the game, and other clubs won't sign them. At a club with a lot of newgens you also have to pay those, train those etc., and grey players won't attract the interest of scouts. Although I've noticed this has improved in comparison to least year's edition, I still discovered some very hot yet fake prospects in lower and premier divisions alike that immediately attracted the interest of top clubs. That's why in my opinion newgens affect the 'realism' significantly more than the traditional 'grey' virtuals. I presume the current newgen solution is SI's definite policy, but perhaps it would be interesting to include the possibílity of choosing the old solution (similar to the new tick/untick option 'Add key staff')? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Riz Remes Posted November 2, 2009 SI Staff Share Posted November 2, 2009 If you leave the "add key staff" unticked when starting a new game, there will be less newgens created at the start as empty teams will not get older newgens generated to fill the squad and only their possible youth squad is filled. This will result in the starting DB being as close to the actual DB as possible with as little newgens added as possible (only youth teams of active clubs get newgens if they are short on players). We are looking to add more control over this in the future (not in patches though) so you can have a separate option for adding players at the game start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantens Posted November 2, 2009 Author Share Posted November 2, 2009 If you leave the "add key staff" unticked when starting a new game, there will be less newgens created at the start as empty teams will not get older newgens generated to fill the squad and only their possible youth squad is filled. This will result in the starting DB being as close to the actual DB as possible with as little newgens added as possible (only youth teams of active clubs get newgens if they are short on players).We are looking to add more control over this in the future (not in patches though) so you can have a separate option for adding players at the game start. That's great to hear - it may not show from this thread, but I do know quite a few longtime fans who'd enjoy that. (And actually I did leave the 'add key staff' option unticked, but thank you for the advice nonetheless!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Riz Remes Posted November 3, 2009 SI Staff Share Posted November 3, 2009 The main problem with allowing users to disable the addition of newgens to youth teams for example, is that long term the game will try to maintain the same number of players in the game world as there was at the start. So if you have loads of empty teams (main teams or youth teams) at the start of the game and you don't wish for these to be filled with real players, you are going to have a lot of empty teams in the future as well because the overall number of players will stay at around the same level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantens Posted November 3, 2009 Author Share Posted November 3, 2009 The main problem with allowing users to disable the addition of newgens to youth teams for example, is that long term the game will try to maintain the same number of players in the game world as there was at the start. So if you have loads of empty teams (main teams or youth teams) at the start of the game and you don't wish for these to be filled with real players, you are going to have a lot of empty teams in the future as well because the overall number of players will stay at around the same level. Oh, I certainly can see why regens are useful in the long run, but during the first (or even first two) seasons their addition doesn't seem a necessity. I'm quite sure there's a group of (possibly older:) ) FM-fans who prefer realism and completeness over gaming speed - meaning loading as many leagues as technically possible, and proceeding at a slower tempo while checking many scores and clubs. As someone stated above, some enjoy playing and scouting in the 'real' football realm far more than just racing through the seasons. I for one definitely do. I also don't see the fun in signing a spectacular talent, that turns out to be fake. Surely not every gamer shares that vision, and as said I understand the purpose of newgens in long-term games, but I do think some fans would like to have the mere option to disable the creation of newgens, or at least to be able to introduce them more gradually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Riz Remes Posted November 3, 2009 SI Staff Share Posted November 3, 2009 If we get an option in for next year to control the generation of newgen players at the start of the game to fill empty teams (both main and youth) it would only ever affect the first season. I do understand your preference for realism and completeness but you also need to consider the fact that once you play one season in the game, the youngest generation of players (16 year olds at the start) will be one year older and the next batch of 16 year olds (and the next one year after that...) needs to be created by the game, otherwise the game world will be missing whole generations of players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantens Posted November 3, 2009 Author Share Posted November 3, 2009 If we get an option in for next year to control the generation of newgen players at the start of the game to fill empty teams (both main and youth) it would only ever affect the first season.I do understand your preference for realism and completeness but you also need to consider the fact that once you play one season in the game, the youngest generation of players (16 year olds at the start) will be one year older and the next batch of 16 year olds (and the next one year after that...) needs to be created by the game, otherwise the game world will be missing whole generations of players That sounds absolutely reasonable:thup:. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingpin Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 I can understand why the OP wouldn't want regens to come through in the first season, but new players come through the youth academy every year at clubs, and since FM doesn't have 13-14 year olds in the game ready to step into the under 18 squads, newgens are the only way of replicating this..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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