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ajcardall
30-12-2007, 13:08
After browsing over the forums for the past couple of days, I've noticed a staggering amount of vociferous complaints, consigning the game to the bin, vowing to never again purchase a Football Manager game. It appears as thought a lot of people have many and wide-ranging complaints about the standard of the game and alleged bugs and fixings.

I must say these caused some degree of shock, as I've not experienced a "major" fault with the game that I believe would warrant such a venomous outpouring of hatred and frustration. I surely can not be alone in this.

So what I am asking you is this: how many of you read the complaints about poor AI; flawed match engine; and nonsensical ratios and are left baffled and wondering 'why? I've never encountered this...'

I do not intend this thread to be the cause of friction amongst members, nor is it intended as a thread to 'gloat' that I am better than you, because I don't encounter these issues, therefore it must be your problem. It is merely intended to see how many are happy with the game, by and large, and perhaps a chance to offer some support to those left tearing out hair over the game.

ajcardall
30-12-2007, 13:08
After browsing over the forums for the past couple of days, I've noticed a staggering amount of vociferous complaints, consigning the game to the bin, vowing to never again purchase a Football Manager game. It appears as thought a lot of people have many and wide-ranging complaints about the standard of the game and alleged bugs and fixings.

I must say these caused some degree of shock, as I've not experienced a "major" fault with the game that I believe would warrant such a venomous outpouring of hatred and frustration. I surely can not be alone in this.

So what I am asking you is this: how many of you read the complaints about poor AI; flawed match engine; and nonsensical ratios and are left baffled and wondering 'why? I've never encountered this...'

I do not intend this thread to be the cause of friction amongst members, nor is it intended as a thread to 'gloat' that I am better than you, because I don't encounter these issues, therefore it must be your problem. It is merely intended to see how many are happy with the game, by and large, and perhaps a chance to offer some support to those left tearing out hair over the game.

bridport_pouncer
30-12-2007, 13:12
To be honest, I have experienced all of the standart bugs in the game, things like Registration in Spain, Near Post Corners etc.

But none of these, even the Player Registration Bug warrents some of the compaints and rants on here. You just need to get on with it as best as you can basically, and that way you soon forget the 'bugs' as you become emmersed in a season.

Having said that, I do not enjoy FM08 as much as previous versions.

mdabat
30-12-2007, 13:17
im loving it...currently in 2024 after successful stints with Heracles, Roma and now the Italian national team

bottom line - its great
second bottom line - people moan too much for the smallest reasons

bucket
30-12-2007, 13:23
Loving it, cant see why people keep knocking it!

gse0x8
30-12-2007, 13:25
love the game, bugs are annoying but the game is still brilliant and totally playable.

CowRonaldo
30-12-2007, 13:27
These aren't small reasons.

Spain Registration makes Spain unplayable. Spain is one of the Top 3 leagues in the world and to have it unplayable is just appaling.

Board Confidence is a bunch of BS that takes out the enjoyment of the game. You could tie with Barca to pass into the final of the CL and they'll still critisize you for not winning the game.

Finally the match engine is not good. This is the most important feature of the game. (After all if you don't care about this, you'd minus well go on holiday the whole season and only come back during the transfer window). Defenders are crap which is the main reason to the shots to goal ratio if you look at it closely. Bad Defenders > Through balls get too easy > super goalkeepers to prevent 8-0 scores > shots to goal ratio.

It's just destroys the flow of the game. The game isn't that bad if you're a mid table team since you don't have to win anything and can afford getting screwed by the match engine. But for top teams it gets unrealistic.

A True Fan
30-12-2007, 13:29
Love it, can't stop playing it.

bearsy
30-12-2007, 13:30
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Board Confidence is a bunch of BS that takes out the enjoyment of the game. You could tie with Barca to pass into the final of the CL and they'll still critisize you for not winning the game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Much agreed.

I won the league and the CL with Bayern, yet they were still disappointed that I had only got to the semi of the league cup. The confidence side of the game is a whole mess really. Almost embarrassingly so.

ajcardall
30-12-2007, 13:32
I concede the Spanish registration issue is major, and I too have encountered issues with the board/fan confidence module.

However, as I said, I still find the game enjoyable. I tend not to play in La Liga all to often, so I guess I'm lucky there. That's not to excuse or gloss over the bug, but just showing why it wouldn't affect me personally.

My defenders preform pretty well, and since the update to 8.0.1, apart from either: a) mistakes or b) being totally outclassed, I don't concede too many. Granted I know play a more cautious game, but surely if it was a major issue as suggested, it would occur regardless of tactical approach.

Thanks for your input, though. Appreciate it!

Serpico
30-12-2007, 13:34
I've just found it too hard to have any degree of success with my favoured club (Hull City). I don't have a degree in Tactics, and I don't believe you should need one to be able to get a side of better than average players into a better than average position. Unfortunately, you do.

I've enjoyed FM08 far less than any recent SI product.

mdabat
30-12-2007, 13:35
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bearsy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Board Confidence is a bunch of BS that takes out the enjoyment of the game. You could tie with Barca to pass into the final of the CL and they'll still critisize you for not winning the game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Much agreed.

I won the league and the CL with Bayern, yet they were still disappointed that I had only got to the semi of the league cup. The confidence side of the game is a whole mess really. Almost embarrassingly so. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This might be an issue, but it does not effect your job as it did before the patch, ive played a total of 40 seasons till now and even though i get the occassional "disappointment" message, nothing really happens, afterall the board is only offering their opinion.

i guess a good solution would be to add an extra sentence so it looks like this "the board are disappointed with the team's performance in the FA cup, BUT understand the fact that QPR were not expected to beat Chelsea in the second round" (something along those lines)

QPR Fan
30-12-2007, 13:37
I love the game, i've had a few problems but its a good game

sammypurposa
30-12-2007, 13:37
i like it, but i have not enjoyed it as much as previous versions hence i'm not playing it as much and have actually stopped for the time being

ajcardall
30-12-2007, 13:38
Serpico,

I was in the same boat originally, and while I still do not claim to be a tactical guru - far from it - I found the best advice is to play a more defensive game.

In every other game thus far, I always played aggressively, looking to push forward. In this game, I continued that approach, and game undone. Fast. I then tried something I never thought I would: play cagey, cautious football. It seems to work so far for me!

I mean not to tell you how to play the game, and I see your point about it being more tactically involved. Perhaps, as suggested in another thread, a "prozone" style feature which provides some tactical guidance and a summary of how your team performs would be a helpful addition to the many of us who are not born Capellos, Wengers and Fergies?

Jimbokav1971
30-12-2007, 13:45
I've played 3 proper games of FM08.

Game 1. (played out of the box). I was sacked after 3 seasons for "overachieving".

Game 2. (played out of the box). I was sacked after during my 5th season for getting the club into debt. The debt was a result of the "lower league attendance bug" and I had not spent a single penny on a single player and had always been within my wage budget. If I am within the budgets that the board have given me, and I haven't spent any money at all on players, then how is the debt my fault.

Game 3. (started with 8.01 patch). I'm currently in my 5th season and am now about £500,000 o/d, despite again not spending a single penny on a single player and despite never going over the wage budget that I have been granted. Part of the reason for this debt is that I have lost to 7 "grey" teams in 11 games and as a result have not progressed in the Cups as I would have expected. This has impacted on the finances in terms of both lost prize money and lost attendance income. The board are not happy about the financial position of the club and I am guessing that I will be sacked in about 18 months time if things continue as they are at the moment.

If I am sacked, that will be it for me for FM08. (Who am I kidding? I'll give it another go after the next patch, but I'm not enjoying it as much as I should be).

sammypurposa
30-12-2007, 13:53
same as me mate, i played out of the box, invested 4 seasons with ipswich, was having superb fun, players were developing well, i was finishing well in the prem,
and then i wasn't offered a new contract because of the board expectation bug, it's hard to win the championship when you are in the top half of the premiership.

Lukas Podolski99
30-12-2007, 13:56
I enjoy the game, have to say I enjoyed the beta patch more than the full patch - though I was unable to find a version to re-download the beta - and hope a second patch will make the current version even better.

One thing that really bugged me though in the original version was the bug which saw ground developments not completed. My team is Scunthorpe so I always start with them, being limited to 9K capacity (even when a further 2K expansion is built into the game, but is never completed) did make it 'unplayable' if you aim was to take a lower league team up the leagues.

T-Bag
30-12-2007, 13:59
I have found a way to enjoy the game, by basically cheating.

I save the game before every match and whenever anything ******** happens I reload it and play the match again. I don't mean I play each game until I win, I accept defeat and often don't win anything some seasons. What I can't accept is when I randomly lose a game 8-0 to a team of greys or to the bottom of the league. Plus it is near impossible to beat **** teams on the game, therefore I cheat in these games if I feel the result was ridiculous. I'm sorry but I can't accept losing 3-0 to bottom of the league when I have had 45 shots on goal.

It's sad I have been reduced to this but this is the only way I can get any enjoyment out of the game.

Ackter
30-12-2007, 14:04
Don't enjoy it at the moment, will give it another spin with a new patch.

Luckily I'm in FML and am enjoying that much, much more.

cutterschoice
30-12-2007, 14:11
I don't really post in here much anymore just have a look now and then, first time I couldn't get into FM, I think FM07 took it out of me, I started to collect all the FMs but got rid of 08, still play 07 now and then but sort of lost interest now.

Wont stop me from trying 09 though http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

coelhoXI
30-12-2007, 14:11
well for me i am enjoying it, it's as hard as a safebox but if you invest in a fair amount of time tweaking the tactics and buying/loaning the right kind of players, you'll definitely get a good run of decent results, the safebox will be opened eventually. and i do have to inject massive amount of positivities into my veins when things aren't going my way.

of course, there will be another set of safeboxes inside.

currently managing basingstoke town fc in 2017, 5 seasons mid table mediocrity in the enjoyably frustrating coca-cola championship.

something tells me i need to phone the chairman's daughter. he deserves it. enjoy, lads.

BobbaW
30-12-2007, 14:18
Whilst it's as addictive as it's always been it's not quite as much fun.

It's no longer possible to win as easily as it was before, which whilst is more realistic, makes it less fun and I don't have the time to go into the detail required to win.

Most annoyingly for me is the fact I've lost my last 3 saved games. I'm pretty sure this is due to my PC being the electric equivalent of the disease ridden rodent but I just can't be bothered to start again just yet.

htfc_ttid@yahoo.co.uk
30-12-2007, 14:19
Absolutely love the game, get tonnes of enjoyment out of it.

bdgr
30-12-2007, 14:19
I'm enjoying it immensely! Just started my fourth season with the mighty Weston-s-Mare. Got them into the blue square premier league in the second season and will keep on going like the duracell bunny!

Emmenaar
30-12-2007, 14:22
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by htfc_ttid@yahoo.co.uk:
Absolutely love the game, get tonnes of enjoyment out of it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
What the mailadress said.

George Graham
30-12-2007, 14:33
Too many areas that have been poorly contrived and implemented having massive at times unpredictable effects on results means this is a game that is hard to enjoy.

Even when your doing well it doesnt feel as if its down to your management skills.

Add that imo the game has failed to evolve sufficiently in terms of not just adding new features, but also in fixing existing issues and you have something that is becoming very, very stale.

kaNovi
30-12-2007, 14:37
Im in 2029, and im not really enjoying it.

First of the grey bug.. it psses me off. losing to a grey turkey team in the CHL, even though i have won the PL 7 years in a row.
The same with my first international job.. its sick with the grey bug.

Second.
despite having the best team in the world i keep losing my games away.. no mather what tactic i use(which i use hours on making) i still cant win when we are supposed to.

Third.
If i find a good player i want i have to pay like 100mio euro to get him, even though he is worth 15mio.
I dont want to do that, so i have a lot of good youngster BUT when they get good (at about 23) ALL of them want a new challenge which ****s my team completely. what am i supposed to do ???

4th. the board confidence is just really no good.
Its ridicouless they get upset just because you lose a semi-final against a good team, and youre playing with youngsters.
NO board says: you have to win everything or we'll get upset.
Id doesnt take into account what kind of team youre meeting.

Ived been rather succesfull in my game, but im not enjoying this half as much as FM07 fully patched.
Its mostly because of what i have written but there are alot of other small things that makes me annoyed..

ncfcgee
30-12-2007, 14:38
I've experienced some of the bugs in the game, most notably has been the much maligned match engine but i've found that all you have to do still is make a tactic that beats the AI, no different to if the match engine worked properly.

Therefore i am enjoying this version more than any previous version there has been.

squinty
30-12-2007, 15:16
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by T-Bag:
I have found a way to enjoy the game, by basically cheating.

I save the game before every match and whenever anything ******** happens I reload it and play the match again. I don't mean I play each game until I win, I accept defeat and often don't win anything some seasons. What I can't accept is when I randomly lose a game 8-0 to a team of greys or to the bottom of the league. Plus it is near impossible to beat **** teams on the game, therefore I cheat in these games if I feel the result was ridiculous. I'm sorry but I can't accept losing 3-0 to bottom of the league when I have had 45 shots on goal.

It's sad I have been reduced to this but this is the only way I can get any enjoyment out of the game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

same as me m8 http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

clovis_kanda87
30-12-2007, 15:43
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bridport_james:
To be honest, I have experienced all of the standart bugs in the game, things like Registration in Spain, Near Post Corners etc.

But none of these, even the Player Registration Bug warrents some of the compaints and rants on here. You just need to get on with it as best as you can basically, and that way you soon forget the 'bugs' as you become emmersed in a season.

Having said that, I do not enjoy FM08 as much as previous versions. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
My thoughts also. Had all the problems bemoaned about on the forums and despite loathing the default skin with a passion i am happy with my current saved game. Finally found a skin i like, (Turnstyle 08) by no means a classic version of CM/FM, but not as bad as ranted about

iacovone
30-12-2007, 15:46
Not gonna lie, I love it. It's eaten up a ridiculous amount of my time, but totally worth it. http://community.sigames.com/customicons/icon14.gif

Pim1984
30-12-2007, 15:49
I just ordered FM 2006 so I can feel what winning is like again http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

neil220779
30-12-2007, 15:59
Found the game very diificult pre and post patch.

However I've stuck with it try new tactics, different player instructions etc and am now becoming more successful. The game is very difficult at first,but I feel too many forum users are too quick to complain and don't spend(or maybe have) enough time learning how to play.

It is the most advanced and thus harder to gain the kind of instant success that you could get with every CM/FM version before.

Some of the bugs are a bit annoying though. The Spain registration bug is nothing short of a disgrace, the match engine is woeful(though I don't think any of the previous ones were great either) and the board/fan confidence feature needs much improvement.

Enjoying the game over-all. I have a Kettering game, an Inter game and a EPL clan game on the go at the momment, the variety helps keep my interest.

dcarter36
30-12-2007, 16:04
I don't enjoy FM/WSM 2008 as much as past versions of the game because I am not winning as much. When I first bought the game I played as Watford using the the same tacits as I did on FM 07 and I did well getting Watford promoted in my first season. Since,then I've failed with games as Preston, Betis,Charleroi and as Crystal Palace.

McDoul
30-12-2007, 16:06
Loving it.

I'm in agreement with the guys above, can see a couple of bugs, but nothing that rends it unplayable and certainly nothing worth some of the rants and trolling that's occurred in recent weeks.

JM12345678910
30-12-2007, 16:26
Absolutely hate it. I've never had a bad word to say about Championship Manager or Football Manager since I played the first ever version on the Amiga in the early 1990's. SI have produced the best football management games by far for years, but the bugs that have slipped through the net for FM 2008 ruin it for me. The latest patched version is not enjoyable at all and I find myself getting angry at my payers far too often, unfortunately getting angry at your players is a waste of time. As has already been said the team talks are useless and have not been improved since the last version. I have tried a hundred different tactics and I can't find a successful one, even if I have a squad of players which would hold it's own two divisions higher. Granted I haven't been to the tactics forum, but the point for me is trying to find your own tactic that works. The fact that 4-4-2, the most used formation in professional football, is near impossible to use in the game is farcical. The number of red cards, disallowed goals and penalties per game is annoying to say the least. I don't post often and probably won't post again for a while, I just felt like a rant! I don't want to win the Champions League in my first season, or get to the Premier League from the Blue Square Premier in successive seasons. I just want to play the game and feel like I'm actually having some control over what my team do, because at the moment and to a certain extent in FM '07 that is far from the case. I cannot play the game anymore because it is annoying me so much. Losing is not a problem if it's because I'm a crap manager. Fighting a losing battle is.

Pim1984
30-12-2007, 16:26
Hm I downlaoded a tactic from the tactics forum, Croat, and suddenly I win all my games. Apparently it is possible to win a lot.

Passer-by
30-12-2007, 16:52
It looks like people don't like FM because those who like it don't post new threads constantly declaring their feelings for FM.

DarthInsinuate
30-12-2007, 17:33
Not loving it, having a completely miserable time, can't stop going back to it.

Games are a lot more fun when you're winning at them, and it tells you you're awesome.

Something has just changed completely about this game, and it just seems impossible to get any success out of it.

The game really needs a difficulty setting. Simulation - "I'm a Premiership manager" mode, and "If I could get a top ranking management job I wouldn't be playing this game" mode.

These forums also need a preview button and a edit button.

ScobieB
30-12-2007, 17:47
I enjoy it

sthptngomad76
30-12-2007, 17:50
Don't play it.

Its a slow, clunky mess for me for some reason. One click and im waiting for 5+ seconds. $90 down the drain for me.

Powermonger
30-12-2007, 22:16
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serpico:
I've just found it too hard to have any degree of success with my favoured club (Hull City). I don't have a degree in Tactics, and I don't believe you should need one to be able to get a side of better than average players into a better than average position. Unfortunately, you do.

I've enjoyed FM08 far less than any recent SI product. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I pretty much agree although I am enjoying FM08 now but believe tactics are still difficult to understand at times when things are going wrong. T&TT forum is dead with discussions about tactics, perhaps a symptom of the difficulty many players are having understanding tactics and the match engine?

I firmly believe SI need to give us better match analysis tools or else they're at risk of making the game too complicated and convoluted for gamers to enjoy.

Rob123
30-12-2007, 23:03
Is there ANY game where you do not get "bugs"?

I think people should get off SI's backs as the game is totally brilliant & at least they try to sort these things out

Too many whingers & perfect people!!!!!

KUTGW http://community.sigames.com/customicons/icon14.gif

Signe
30-12-2007, 23:31
I prefer FM 07 fully patched. FM 08 is definitely not a complete product both unpatched and patched. This is the first time I've been disappointed by SI. I agree that tweaking tactics get round the match engine, but it should not have to be this way. I mean, shouldn't tactics be how you want your team to play and not simply to beat the match engine?

For eg. 07 allowed moderation of tactics such that if you wanted a narrow width and play down the middle, you can and still pull off results with the right players and instructions. Not so for 08. In 08, I find that if i play through the middle and not use wingers, my strikers just cannot score off one on ones as often as say from crosses. I personally prefer to have one touch football and play my striker through but in 08 this is impossible if I want to win.

There are other bugs but not so detrimental as the problems in the match engine for now. I find the match engine to be a big let down and hopefully, by the 2nd patch everything will be resolved.

Also, happy new year guys!

George Graham
31-12-2007, 01:16
The most frustrating thing for me about 08 is that the demo and release match engine (apart from the closing down and defensive issues, and possibly the players walking rather than running) was so close to being on the money, as it has irradicated the annoying issues from FM07, played in this players opinion a much better game of football and I for one was really excited by it.

Now post-patch its gone so far in the wrong direction its not true- even FM07 issues like the way players so willingly concede corners by heading behind are back in, alongside the known issues.

I so hope they can get it back to pre-patch levels but with the issues and defending fixed. Also with the finishing back to pre-patch levels as the sheer range of finishes and the way players finished with power and aplomb was superb. Post-patch the shooting ball physics are awful (in particular power of shot, jeez Im 35 and stopped playing a coupla yrs ago but even I can drill an Aero with venom- so why cant the pros in FM08?!) and back to FM07.

Then imo we will have a superb match engine. That for me would make up for the lack of new features and the existing features that have not improved measurably.

Ackter
31-12-2007, 01:35
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">08 is that the demo and release match engine was so close to being on the money </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I disagree entirely - I hated the demo/release match engine.

Saumyajit
31-12-2007, 01:43
Agree with Ackter. The release match engine was the worst. The closing down bug almost made the 2d display unwatchable. 8.01, though not perfect is much much better

Radzkal
31-12-2007, 01:45
loving the game and not complaining about anything. just hoping that each version comes out better. the game is challenging n compared to fifa manager which is much more tedious to play, there's nothin like football manager.

George Graham
31-12-2007, 01:48
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Saumyajit:
Agree with Ackter. The release match engine was the worst. The closing down bug almost made the 2d display unwatchable. 8.01, though not perfect is much much better </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Duh, read my post, digest it then see that I said: "(apart from the closing down and defensive issues)".

George Graham
31-12-2007, 01:50
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ackter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">08 is that the demo and release match engine was so close to being on the money </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I disagree entirely - I hated the demo/release match engine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Apart from the closing down, defensive side and player pace (which I acknowledged as awful), what else did you specifically not like about the initial release?

George Graham
31-12-2007, 01:50
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ackter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">08 is that the demo and release match engine was so close to being on the money </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I disagree entirely - I hated the demo/release match engine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Apart from the closing down, defensive side and player pace (which I acknowledged as awful), what else did you specifically not like about the initial release?

anagain
31-12-2007, 02:01
I'll be honest and say I don't think the game is in the same league as FM07. I find many of the matches to be somewhat unrealistic in terms of numbers of shots and goals, plus it feels to me as if the number of likely situations seems diluted.

I'm enjoying it but I don't find myself playing it like I did FM07.

I can't help but think they have taken away the match engine and all the standard features from FM07 and replaced them with new versions. They should have kept the FM07 versions. They may not have done that but that is how it feels to me; I mean FM07s match engine was the biz and the realism was so good. It's all diluted now.

Having said all that I like the features that have been added and I think the game will be seriously polished by FM09. I also don't find the difficulty to be too much. I find it about right but I enjoy a more challenging game. You don't need to be a tactical genius to do well in the game though; I'm not.

I'll carry on playing because I will always enjoy FM. I do sit and think there could be more realism however.

Dimony
31-12-2007, 02:11
I love it.

Taking a terrible Catania side from bottom of the league at Christmas to fourth bottom on the last day, in the last 20 minutes of a match.

It's what FM's all about.

Michael Osmann
31-12-2007, 02:18
This game has some flaws but I really do enjoyed. My love for FM is that big. I always compared it with girlfriends - They do never come perfect, there's always a flaw and it takes a while before finding that out *LOL*

Jimmyt
31-12-2007, 02:21
I have good runs and bad runs and thise makes the game very annoying.

I rarely have a season where I don't blast into the top two then collapse in November.

And the 4-2-4 issue is insane.

No matter who you are and who you are playing, as soon as they go to 4-2-4, you have to desperately change your own formation and cross your fingers and hope for the best.

And opposition managers always, without fail, go to 4-2-4 if they are losing.

Ackter
31-12-2007, 02:23
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by George Graham:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ackter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">08 is that the demo and release match engine was so close to being on the money </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I disagree entirely - I hated the demo/release match engine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Apart from the closing down, defensive side and player pace (which I acknowledged as awful), what else did you specifically not like about the initial release? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So apart from 60% of the match engine, what else did I specifically not like? http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Set pieces - absolutely horrible.

George Graham
31-12-2007, 02:30
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ackter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by George Graham:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ackter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">08 is that the demo and release match engine was so close to being on the money </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I disagree entirely - I hated the demo/release match engine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Apart from the closing down, defensive side and player pace (which I acknowledged as awful), what else did you specifically not like about the initial release? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So apart from 60% of the match engine, what else did I specifically not like? http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Set pieces - absolutely horrible. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This'll make you laugh even more- I thought the setpieces were much improved!

Id actually thought they'd got worse from the initial version to 8.01.

Thats perception for you- may have to go back to the initial one and see what I think now.

Nailer123
31-12-2007, 02:38
I am enjoying my current game with Plymouth, but I'm not sure how long that'll last:P. However there are some issues that I am not too fond of such as the Confidence feature making it seem like you are doing a bad job when you are actually not and certain issues with the match engine. I also feel that the whole game doesn't flow as much as orevious versions.
Despite this though I am enjoying it, but not as much as previous versions.

George Graham
31-12-2007, 02:41
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jimmyt:
I have good runs and bad runs and thise makes the game very annoying.

I rarely have a season where I don't blast into the top two then collapse in November.

And the 4-2-4 issue is insane.

No matter who you are and who you are playing, as soon as they go to 4-2-4, you have to desperately change your own formation and cross your fingers and hope for the best.

And opposition managers always, without fail, go to 4-2-4 if they are losing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

For all my issues with the ME this isnt one of them.

The 424 situation is easily managable and realistic- Ive even seen teams chuck DCs up top in search of a desperate last minute goal.

Its such a non-issue that by exploiting the space on the wings with a counter-attack will more often than not reap dividends in a goal (or two) for you.

Jimbokav1971
31-12-2007, 02:43
It's really weird how differently we all see the match engine.

I for example never really noticed the closing down thing defensively, (and have only recentky noticed that it's impossible to press high up the putch and close down the opposition in their third of the pitch.

I haven';t ever really noticed a 1v1 bug.

I haven't noticed a problem with penalties.

I think that free-kicks and corners in FM08 are significantly better than FM07.

I suppose we all have little areas that we concentrate on in real football, and that's what we look for in the match engine.

Jimmyt
31-12-2007, 02:45
I've seen many a centre back thrown up front, and sometimes It's worked.

but my issue with 4-2-4 is that it's a standard 'go to' tactic for the opposition which always demands you need to change.

I've tried all the counter-atacking options, but for some reason my players also stop being able to play at the same time.

When I'm outnumbering them in midfield I should get more posession, but my defenders can't pick out a man anymore and suddenly refuse to tackle!

What is most irritating with 4-2-4 though is that when the AI does it, they get chance after chance, when I do it, the game whizzes through with nothing happening.

Ackter
31-12-2007, 02:46
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">This'll make you laugh even more- I thought the setpieces were much improved!

Id actually thought they'd got worse from the initial version to 8.01.

Thats perception for you- may have to go back to the initial one and see what I think now. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The set pieces were definitly improved over FM07, and they have got a lot worse since 8.0.1, but neither were acceptable to me.

Jimbokav1971
31-12-2007, 02:58
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">but my issue with 4-2-4 is that it's a standard 'go to' tactic for the opposition which always demands you need to change. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't change tactics and I have just gone a whole league season unbeaten.

I play quite a defensive way at the start though.

Ackter
31-12-2007, 03:31
424 is just a 442 with the wingers pushing right up. It's not even close to being as unrealistic as everyone seems to think.

It's simply the manager pushing his players forward in order to win.

Jimbokav1971
31-12-2007, 03:48
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ackter:
424 is just a 442 with the wingers pushing right up. It's not even close to being as unrealistic as everyone seems to think.

It's simply the manager pushing his players forward in order to win. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spot on http://community.sigames.com/customicons/icon14.gif.

oldsoldier reincarnated
31-12-2007, 04:31
I find swapping to a back five (ie with a sweeper), lowest setting normal defensivie line and direct passing counter the 424 really well. So far I have only conceded 3 times to this formation in 1.5 seasons but have scored 14 times against it.
I usualy take off my DMC and bring on the CB substitute I have (if not already used).

Ackter
31-12-2007, 04:38
The best way to defend the 424 in my experience is to attack it down the flanks.

Lackey
31-12-2007, 06:41
I like it, but it's by far the least enjoyable of the last 3 versions.

The finishing bug is absurd. I understand the match engine creates too many chances. I understand that if SI hadn't nerfed strikers/granted superhuman powers to keepers (AI and human), then scores would be like 8 to 3.

It's still awful to watch. Essentially, to preserve realism in the scorelines, they decimated an important part of the match engine to cover up another flaw in the engine. That's really not ok, especially when this part of the FM07 match engine was fine.

I'm probably about to return to FM07 until this is fixed. And I hate doing that, because FM08 does add some pretty nifty little features.

*I also note more text bugs than in previous versions. Doesn't really detract too much - but really, hoe much effort does it take to edit your work?

Lackey
31-12-2007, 07:06
...and yes, I recognize the irony of making a typo in a sentence complaining about editing http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

telstar
31-12-2007, 09:14
I went back to FM07.

Chuck Diesel
31-12-2007, 09:16
^^ same. It's a lot better if you don't particularly care to lose 2-3 new cosmetic features

Pr3D@T0r
31-12-2007, 09:33
Not as much as FM07. Maybe it's the slower computer I'm running it on, but something doesn't feel right with FM08. The "new features" seem somewhat shoved in for the sake of being there, adding little to the overall experience.

BHAMILTON
31-12-2007, 10:28
I love this game....I do think that there are some bougs but nothing that makes the game unplayable.....

GREAT WORK SI!

Drunk Beware
31-12-2007, 10:32
Yep currently enjoying FM 08 and FMH 08

Andy H
31-12-2007, 10:33
I am really enjoying playing FM08. I think the match engine has gotten better and am seeing my tactics implemented a lot better than 07. I always play with my teams playing down the wings and I am actually seeing all my attacks coming from the wings and firing in crosses and my wingers dribbling alot.

A few niggles here and there but am very happy.

Mike7077
31-12-2007, 10:39
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jimbokav1971:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ackter:
424 is just a 442 with the wingers pushing right up. It's not even close to being as unrealistic as everyone seems to think.

It's simply the manager pushing his players forward in order to win. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Spot on http://community.sigames.com/customicons/icon14.gif. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Couldn't agree more with this. 4-2-4 has never bothered me in the slightest. It's actually pretty counterable anyway.

I've bitched and moaned about the many bugs and glitches in the game, and I still maintain that some of them are bordering on the absolutely unacceptable, but the fact remains that I keep playing the game, and I keep enjoying it.

Serpico
31-12-2007, 10:41
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ackter:
424 is just a 442 with the wingers pushing right up. It's not even close to being as unrealistic as everyone seems to think.

It's simply the manager pushing his players forward in order to win. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree 100%. But irl this is a **** or bust attempt from the losing team's manager to grab a point from the jaws of defeat, and often the result is that the side leading expose the 4-2-4 sides defence and score more goals. That hardly ever happens in FM08. If it did I'm sure we'd have no complaints.

DvOLUTiOn
31-12-2007, 10:47
Uhm it's odd, I hardly ever loose against grey teams or bottom feeders, it's hardly ever close. Sometiems upsets happens, but then again.. nothing is impossible. My defense isn't aweful and far from it. Perhaps it's my tactics? or whatever.

it doesn't cost me 100M$ for a guy who is worht 15M$, sure they cost more then there actual value, but hey, when I happen to sell a star I never sell him under half the actual value either.

For teh board part, yeah, it could need some improvements, but you have to keep in mind that it's the first version it's introduced, so it's not as tweaked as if it had always been in the game. So far, I've spent 6 seasons with the same club and even though I haven't reached always all the expectatiosn of the club, it,s not enough for them to sack me as overall I do a good job.

I have a great time playing and I must say, even if it's not flawless, each versions of FM are always better then the previous one and I wouldn,t consider going back to FM '07.

Mike7077
31-12-2007, 10:50
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serpico:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ackter:
424 is just a 442 with the wingers pushing right up. It's not even close to being as unrealistic as everyone seems to think.

It's simply the manager pushing his players forward in order to win. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree 100%. But irl this is a **** or bust attempt from the losing team's manager to grab a point from the jaws of defeat, and often the result is that the side leading expose the 4-2-4 sides defence and score more goals. That hardly ever happens in FM08. If it did I'm sure we'd have no complaints. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not looking to be deliberately argumentative here, but I often score late goals after the opposition has gone to 4-2-4. I usually take a defensive approach with my eye on holding out for the win, and end up scoring one or even two more goals while they go all out for their equaliser.

B. Stinson
31-12-2007, 10:51
My enjoyment right now is at about 75%.

And the missing quarter is due to having to dodge all the leagues with registration, just to be safe from the possibility of any registration bugs.

Mike7077
31-12-2007, 10:55
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by B. Stinson:
My enjoyment right now is at about 75%.

And the missing quarter is due to having to dodge all the leagues with registration, just to be safe from the possibility of any registration bugs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The registration bug is so bad that I think it warrants an emergency patch fixing just that. Though I'm sure that would just open the floodgates of requests for more fixes. Still, it really is an appalling bug. Makes vast swathes of the game unplayable.

Ackter
31-12-2007, 10:55
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Serpico:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ackter:
424 is just a 442 with the wingers pushing right up. It's not even close to being as unrealistic as everyone seems to think.

It's simply the manager pushing his players forward in order to win. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree 100%. But irl this is a **** or bust attempt from the losing team's manager to grab a point from the jaws of defeat, and often the result is that the side leading expose the 4-2-4 sides defence and score more goals. That hardly ever happens in FM08. If it did I'm sure we'd have no complaints. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Happened a hell of a lot for me when I was playing it.

Ackter
31-12-2007, 10:56
The registration bug is avoidable if you just pay attention to the news letters at the end of the window.

Mike7077
31-12-2007, 11:28
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ackter:
The registration bug is avoidable if you just pay attention to the news letters at the end of the window. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

But those who are unaware of the bug will obviously not know this. Not paying close attention to newsletters is just about forgivable. But the bug is not.

Pangalaticgargleblaster
31-12-2007, 12:37
the worst game of all time, the players graphics take up half the screen

Mike7077
31-12-2007, 12:50
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pangalaticgargleblaster:
the worst game of all time, the players graphics take up half the screen </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Players graphics? Do you mean the photographs of their faces? If so, you could just turn that off.

Ackter
31-12-2007, 13:00
A quick look through Pan's recent posts will show that:

a) its never worth replying to him

and

b) he's incredibly predictable

Mike7077
31-12-2007, 13:02
A lesson learned.

Ackter
31-12-2007, 13:03
Oh, and I'm not saying the bug is forgivable - just putting forward that maybe the reason SI haven't rushed into a patch just to fix it is because it's avoidable.

Why risk breaking something else to rush into a fix for something which, while highly annoying, can be avoided?

Pangalaticgargleblaster
31-12-2007, 13:04
worst game since fifa 06 for the sega, especially the unstoppable last kick of the game goals that only the opposition every score

LFCrouchinho#15
31-12-2007, 13:04
Love the game; mind you, I've only ever played FM08

Mike7077
31-12-2007, 13:07
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pangalaticgargleblaster:
worst game since fifa 06 for the sega, especially the unstoppable last kick of the game goals that only the opposition every score </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Utter, utter tripe. And I shouldn't have responded.

Pangalaticgargleblaster
31-12-2007, 13:08
si rushing into a bug, do you think they give a toss about you or the game, there just getting free money for releasing the same game every year with slightly different graphics, the reason there are only updates every 4 months is because they only work once every 4 months

Ackter
31-12-2007, 13:08
On a side note FIFA 96 was awesome.

Mike7077
31-12-2007, 13:12
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pangalaticgargleblaster:
si rushing into a bug, do you think they give a toss about you or the game, there just getting free money for releasing the same game every year with slightly different graphics, the reason there are only updates every 4 months is because they only work once every 4 months </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If this is true, why hang around? Why not p**s off and leave us 'fools' to allow SI to pilfer our money, safe in the knowledge that you escaped the ruse?

Pangalaticgargleblaster
31-12-2007, 13:12
what it needs is a good car crash, and some new programmers

Pangalaticgargleblaster
31-12-2007, 13:14
why, ive never paid for a copy anyway, just download it for free

Mike7077
31-12-2007, 13:25
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pangalaticgargleblaster:
why, ive never paid for a copy anyway, just download it for free </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then what right do you have to expect anything from the product?

ajcardall
31-12-2007, 13:27
To say SI don't "give a toss" is a little harsh, especially considering the amount of patches and updates they bring out for the games. Remember they're under absolutely no obligation to do so..

Mike7077
31-12-2007, 13:31
Admitting to downloading it for free was a tad silly of him now, wasn't it?

Yalcin
31-12-2007, 13:54
Getting into FM has become harder and harder each year. I think it's a result of SI adding new features every year. What did we get this year? Adjust the size of the pitch! Great, another factor to take into consideration when doing tactics! http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Other than that I feel that more than before the game decides how we play it. In FM08 you can no longer leave teamtalks to your assistent, they just pop up. Just like Opposition Instructions (which I use when I feel they are needed, not always).

I also think the added 'realism' (if I understand correctly the game balances out results in case they don't fit in with other 'factors') made it impossible to achieve enjoyable success. In my opinion CM and FM pre FM07 were about placing the right players in the right position and determine a course for your team in years to come. Tactics worked in previous versions if you had the right players in the right place, nothing more and nothing less.
In the last two versions much more came into play and that made the game a lot less fun for me (a casual gamer).

It's so weird, is there any other game out there that offers so little in return for the time you invest in it?
I just hope SI somehow offer something for people that struggle with the game. The included advisor thing that's in FM08 sure didn't help. I know how to sign a player, arrange a fixture or scout a competition!

turnip
31-12-2007, 16:17
It's taken me a couple of brief savegames to start enjoying it.
I think that a lot of the problem people have is that because SI change the way the match engine works from version to version you never feel as if you're starting from where the previous iteration left off. So as long as it took you to get going with last year's £25-30 is about as long as it'll take you to get going with this year's version. In short, you're not really improving from year to year... primarily because of the way the match engine is constantly changing.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I enjoy having to think of new ways to win matches, despite having wasted countless work hours pondering the same question this time last year. I suppose my point is that people who poured hours into developing a tactic for FM07 might get frustrated at having to do the same all over again for FM08.

But right now, I'm enjoying my game.

Serpico
31-12-2007, 17:07
Well I think I'm done. Downloaded a tactic from a pal. Set it as my tactic and went off on holiday. Came back a few months later and my side was doing better than ok. About what I'd expect irl. So I reload and take control myself, using the same tactics and I concede two goals a game for the first couple of months before giving up and watching Monty Python.

heathxxx
31-12-2007, 17:14
turnip - quite a good point regarding match engine changes that inevitably change the tactical aspects of the game. Possibly a reason why we've not seen so many posts from the "usual" tactical gurus this release.

I am enjoying the game. I like the features, old and new. There are issues, but I can work with or around them fine, with the exception of the Spanish player reg bug. This is very frustrating as I wanted to play a Spanish league save, but will wait to see if it's fixed with 8.0.2 http://community.sigames.com/customicons/icon14.gif

gubbs
31-12-2007, 17:29
Can't say that I am enjoying it. The results make no sense, defense doesn't seem to matter a jot.

I have two of the best defenders in the world, a sound tactic and I am still getting 15 shots on target a game.

As has been said above, its insane. I am either winning 5-1 or loosing 5-1.

When you win, you don't feel joy because you know it wasn't much to do with any decisions you made ..

No, I am playing Fm2007.

PS: FWIW I also found the game to be clunky and very slow to process results on my box. Considering I have a pretty powerful PC this doesn't seem acceptable.

Won't be buying fm2009.

As things stand, I feel FM is becoming like Windows: Once every five years you actually get a new version not a nip-tuck, and when you do, it is unusable until SP2 at least ..

Sort it out S.I.

Its painfully evident your majority of sales are coming from loyal long term fans: abuse us at your peril.

Antonin
31-12-2007, 17:32
I'm not having much fun with it at the moment. As others here have said, I also do not have a degree in tactics and do not feel you should need one.

I come back to 08 from time to time for my Rochdale game, but quickly lose interest because it seems too much like work. It's just not a very enjoyable way to spend the little free time I have.

I spend most of my time with FM06, followed by FM05, followed by FM07.

Powermonger
31-12-2007, 17:55
Having looked at the ProZone implementation in CM08, I firmly believe this is what FM now needs to allow us FM players to be able to push forward and get some control back into our games.

Continually flying blind and frustratingly trying to understand why we are losing wears thin rather quickly. Giving us a tool to help us better analyse our matches when we lose, we can make more informed tactical or training changes which would alleviate the current frustrations I think many of us are suffering from.

tzussu
31-12-2007, 18:00
Here in the states the Football Manager series is considered the mother of all sports sims. I follow and play most that exist and I have to say it is w/o a doubt the deepest and most engrossing game out there and has captivated me for several years now (and soccer er football ranks about 4th on my list!). I believe that those who do complain do so out of their passion for the game / sport itself. The fact that so many people follow / respond to these boards says it all.

gubbs
31-12-2007, 18:26
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Powermonger:
Having looked at the ProZone implementation in CM08, I firmly believe this is what FM now needs to allow us FM players to be able to push forward and get some control back into our games.

Continually flying blind and frustratingly trying to understand why we are losing wears thin rather quickly. Giving us a tool to help us better analyse our matches when we lose, we can make more informed tactical or training changes which would alleviate the current frustrations I think many of us are suffering from. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That wont work though, since the results are pre-caculated and the 2d representation is purely a pretty add on and doesn't do a very good job of representing the maths.

What Si. need to do is start again with a truly dynamic match engine, calculated in real time not adjusted to fit an already determined result.

Thats not going to happen soon because it would require thousands of man hours to implement.

Ackter
31-12-2007, 18:30
That's not how the engine works. You've misunderstood something.

It plays the match out right at the start - from 0 minutes to 45 minutes. Every kick of the ball, every pass, every tackle is decided within a second. What you see is the 2D highlights of everything that has just been calculated.

Same thing happens after half time, and every time you make a tactical change or substitution.

Calculated in real time, as you expect, would not be viable. It wouldn't be able to show highlights for example, you'd need to watch the entire match every time.

gubbs
31-12-2007, 20:30
I don't believe that for a second. I'd like to, but look at how sloppy they are with most aspects of the game experience, what poor judgemenbt they consistently show with regard sorting out gameplay balancing and bugs which should never crop up if there weren't massive cut corners in implementation and prototyping.

Human input and decisions are probably a negligible part of the drama.

Of course, you will tell me I am wrong and I likely am. But after years of playing these games and them not actually getting any smarter, I figure they have painted themselves into a corner s'all.

Ackter
31-12-2007, 20:32
You're entitled to your opinion, but yes I will tell you you're wrong.

If it didn't do it in that way then it wouldn't be able to show highlights. So many people believe that SI are cheating them in some way, but there's absolutely no reason as to why they'd go to all that trouble.

gubbs
31-12-2007, 20:33
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ackter:
You're entitled to your opinion, but yes I will tell you you're wrong.

If it didn't do it in that way then it wouldn't be able to show highlights. So many people believe that SI are cheating them in some way, but there's absolutely no reason as to why they'd go to all that trouble. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

They don't, its just a module. Bling. Eye candy so you don't feel like you are 'playing' Access via Excel. With a bit of Paint chucked in.

Dimony
31-12-2007, 20:35
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Signe:
I prefer FM 07 fully patched. FM 08 is definitely not a complete product both unpatched and patched. This is the first time I've been disappointed by SI. I agree that tweaking tactics get round the match engine, but it should not have to be this way. I mean, shouldn't tactics be how you want your team to play and not simply to beat the match engine?

For eg. 07 allowed moderation of tactics such that if you wanted a narrow width and play down the middle, you can and still pull off results with the right players and instructions. Not so for 08. In 08, I find that if i play through the middle and not use wingers, my strikers just cannot score off one on ones as often as say from crosses. I personally prefer to have one touch football and play my striker through but in 08 this is impossible if I want to win.

There are other bugs but not so detrimental as the problems in the match engine for now. I find the match engine to be a big let down and hopefully, by the 2nd patch everything will be resolved.

Also, happy new year guys! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I've heard about the 'one on one bug' a lot, but I play this passing game and feed my strikers in, and I'm scoring a good number of goals. My problem is that I'm conceding even more. http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ackter
31-12-2007, 20:36
It's simply amazing how paranoid people are about a computer game.

gubbs
31-12-2007, 20:39
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ackter:
It's simply amazing how paranoid people are about a computer game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why paranoid? I remember when the 2d match representation was introduced ..

I was well into it on the Amiga before that ****.

I don't see how you go from text only to a full, rolling, all interactive match that plots the exact trajectory of every ball and movement of every player - from a bunch of variables, a bit of a random number and 50 lines of 'he shoots, he scores!'.

Come on ..

They didn't do that much work on it. They just 'blinged' it up.

Dimony
31-12-2007, 20:45
The match engine allows you to see what the flaws in your tactic are more easily than the report.

If you don't like it, no one is forcing you to use it.

As for results, they are calculated after you enter the game, and then every time you make a tactical change, substitution or at half time.

The game isn't 'fixed'.

Ackter
31-12-2007, 20:49
They spent years developing the 2D engine.

To be honest what you think here is just plainly rediculous, and there's only so many plainly rediculous arguments I can get involved in.

gubbs
31-12-2007, 20:52
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ackter:
They spent years developing the 2D engine. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah ok. Like they spend hours every day fixing the bugs? If someone is working 8 hrs a day on this game I am Captain Kangaroo. You could fix all the current issues in a week, so why does it take them months? Where's the team of programmers, the dedicated management etc? Its nonsense.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">To be honest what you think here is just plainly rediculous, and there's only so many plainly rediculous arguments I can get involved in. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fair enough. I've had my say.

Benoit2
31-12-2007, 20:56
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ajcardall:
To say SI don't "give a toss" is a little harsh, especially considering the amount of patches and updates they bring out for the games. Remember they're under absolutely no obligation to do so.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Legally no, morally yes.

Dimony
31-12-2007, 20:56
Gubbs - with all due respect, you don't know what you're talking about.

Have you ever done any programming work in your life? Fixing bugs isn't as simple as you might think, because every time you fix something, you have to test all the possible impacts of that 'fix' on other game situations.

On top of this, you have to playtest seasons with the fixes in order to prove that you have not caused any unwanted anomolies.

FM is a very complicated game, and although it will never be perfect, it is far nearer than any of its competitors.

Jimbokav1971
31-12-2007, 22:22
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">You could fix all the current issues in a week, </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Inly 5 hours into the New Year and we already have a contender for most ridiculous comment for the year http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif.

Jablome
02-01-2008, 12:26
Well, I should have looked b/c I pretty much just started the identical thread. E-gad.

Chalkus
03-01-2008, 08:42
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mdabat:
im loving it...currently in 2024 after successful stints with Heracles, Roma and now the Italian national team

bottom line - its great
second bottom line - people moan too much for the smallest reasons </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

third bottom line - you ignorant #@"£. We're complaining cos we paid for something that doesn't work properly. For me NOT AT ALL, is it too much to complain when something doesn't work at all?

Chalkus
03-01-2008, 08:48
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Benoit2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ajcardall:
To say SI don't "give a toss" is a little harsh, especially considering the amount of patches and updates they bring out for the games. Remember they're under absolutely no obligation to do so.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Legally no, morally yes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Legally 'Yes' under the Sale of Goods Act

Mirrork
03-01-2008, 09:28
i am very unhappy with it...at the moment i feel like i burned money...with a proper patch it could turn into the opposite though

so far i really feel let down though and will consider future buys...

Steffchenko
03-01-2008, 10:12
i never thought i would ever get to the point of criticizing this game, but here i am. 08 is on MAJOR step backwards. i do not understand it and fail to find any meaning in it. i've been playing all editions since 99-00 at least, so i'm not a newbie. still i cannot figure out how on earth am i supposed to play it so it would work like 07. restarted playing form scratch at least 5 times and still it sucks so much, i'm close to smashing this cd to millions and mailing it to SI.

its simply so hard and stupid that it takes virtually every single chance of having fun. i usually win the first few games and then it all goes to hell. no matter if i play ac milan or my hometown team from romania, i still get defeated whenever the AI wants. i ALWAYS loose to the red lantern of the league, no matter what tactics i use or instructions i give. its pathetic! ever had a game where all your players got yellow cards? well i did, in 08. you might say it because i had hard tackle enabled. nope, it was on normal, and offensive players even on light.

another issue is the DM in 08. no matter how good he is, he will almost never get a mark over 7. you watch the highlights and see he does well, but his mark won't budge from 6. it doesn't matter if its a youngster or pirlo himself! finished the first season with milan and pirlo was around 6.45. again pathetic.

you can't spend one lousy month, game time, without pulling your hair out. even tried downloading tactics made by others and praised by users, so that i would be able to study them. that failed as well. now i'm quite at the end of my patience and also devotion for this game. it used to be my absolute favorite game. been playing SI's manager for the last 7-8 years constantly. the oly time i uninstalled it was right before installing the new version. now, 08 will get the bin treatment definitely. i'm fed up with it!

here's a pic. and it was not an accident. it happened more then once. those that know romanian football will tell you U Cluj is one of the weakest teams in reality. my youth team has more talent then all their teams conbined.

[img=http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/8448/fukmela1.th.jpg] (http://img167.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fukmela1.jpg)

earmack
03-01-2008, 10:19
Meh, I don't hate it per se, but after say 6/7 seasons I realised that in one-on-one situations my players would only score if they were running in from the corner of the area and not from the middle, a lot like: FIFA 98 Road to the World Cup. When I realised this (it was every single time) I just stopped playing. I started FM 07 back up (had a good save anyway)and in the first game I scored from a one-on-one where my striker ran straight down the middle of the box at the keeper, rounded him and slotted home, this hadn't happened in 500 or so games on FM08. Other people have told me they didn't experience this problem with FM08 but tbh that means sweet FA to me because if my tactics mean that my players only miss one on ones because they are running through the middle of the box I don't want to change it I just want to stop playing.

earmack
03-01-2008, 10:26
Addendum: I actually took peoples advice and changed the way my team changed to get round the 'one on one bug' (is it considered a bug?) and was even at the point of saying 'well hell thats cool as long as theres a work around' when I realised 'hang on I'm changing my tactic that was producing 5/6 one on ones a game because my players always miss those chances....but isn't this a simulation.....one that says it strives to be the most realistic in existence?'

The FACT is: One on ones ARE the best opportunities to score goals in football, I've played and watched football extensively and I KNOW this is true. If the simulation I'm playing fails to simulate this then I shouldn't play it.

Steffchenko
03-01-2008, 10:28
mine manage to score 10-15% of one-on-ones, though i never saw one dribble past the gk.

i too will reinstall 07 and spend alot of time in the editor to get the teams and players up to date. 08 is history.

Steffchenko
03-01-2008, 11:16
well thats that. uninstalled the damn thing. good riddance. i'm not gonna play this one just for the updates. thanx SI for ruining a perfect game!

The Gaffovski
03-01-2008, 11:38
I'm not enjoying it as much as previous versions. That's the honest truth, and I have been successful at winning trophies so that's not the problem.

I'm not enjoying watching the matches. Shots straight at the keeper, seemingly hit by a two year old so the ball bobbles to him. Central defenders staying in their position even though a winger is breaking through on goal, or running after the ball and then stopping to let the striker clean through (which never happens when I'm the one attacking). 34 shots, 19 on target, the opposing team wins with 1 shot. The way the player ratings are done I don't like either. Still too many long shots. Use a Playmaker and he might only pass the ball 20 times whilst another player will pass it 50 times. Little things like that which disappoint when they all add up, because in those respects FM has gone backwards.

FM 2007 was far more enjoyable for me. Having said that, FM 2008 has loads of potential, if only they could iron out all the issues.

The litmus test for me is how soon I get bored of playing. With all previous versions of CM or FM, I never did. With FM 2008 I usually quit after playing 3 matches.

So, I've tried all the beta patches and the official patch, I'm going back to playing FM 2007 now, and will try the second official FM 2008 patch when it is released. I thought that once I discovered successful tactics I would enjoy FM 2008 more, but it was only a brief thing. It's just not exciting anymore.

gazzamcg
03-01-2008, 13:59
The problem is the 4 year old game mechanic's that we are playing with are now showing their age and SI are showing they can't do any significant change's with it, unless I am totally wrong there and someone can correct me on this.

FM '08 has shown FM has become totally stale.

Since FM '05, it's been practically the same version after version only with a samll increment of quality to the match engine that's worth talking about, but that has become stale with this version.

Sure, extra feature's have been added over the few year's that you would expect but none of them have excelled the gameplay for me.

The training module from the start was terrible and coming up for 4 year's later is still horrific, this along with the match engine is the most critical part of the game that has been overlooked for the last four year's and you have to ask the question why ?

The match engine with this version has show it's totally became stale, even with the second patch coming out it's not going to be anything spectacularly different.

Regen's and developing youth's is still a problem.

The interaction with player's and coache's in particular are non-existent.

The overall lack of immersion because of how poor the feature's of the above and more are.

I really fear for SI and FM '09, because if there isn't any major changes then I fear a huge backlash from the public, something I think SI have been ignoring with dangerously over the last few year's.

And this is the question, will FM '09 be a small incremental update to some key feature's but ignoring other key feature's with a few bit's 'n' bob's thrwon in, or is it going to be the major overhaul that it need's ?

I still play FM '08 now and then when i've nothing else to do, but this version has taken the **** to be honest.

Ackbaria
03-01-2008, 14:05
I can't really enjoy it as my team suffered a sudden attendance-drop, so now its going **** and my owners want me out. Why won't they throw a fan day !??!

George Graham
03-01-2008, 14:14
The worst thing about this is how SI told us that FMLives match engine constantly being developed would help the FM match engine.

Its a joke that we have to wait until Feb for what we can only hope is an improvement.

What an absolute joke this game has become- new features thin on the ground and what was already there has been made worse.

Sad Git
03-01-2008, 14:25
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I really fear for SI and FM '09, because if there isn't any major changes then I fear a huge backlash from the public, something I think SI have been ignoring with dangerously over the last few year's. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The only "Major Change" that SI seem to be considering is getting rid of these forums because in Miles' words:- "I don't think they're very nice any more"...

Pim1984
03-01-2008, 14:34
This is a complicated game, but fully patched the games are very good. That is why I am considering starting a new career with 07 now, because after patch 8.0.2 I should start a new 08 career anyway and 702 at least works as it should.

Tubzinho
03-01-2008, 14:56
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I really fear for SI and FM '09, because if there isn't any major changes then I fear a huge backlash from the public, something I think SI have been ignoring with dangerously over the last few year's. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think this is, despite the fobbing off it recieves from certain people, going to be an issue in the not too distant future if the competition continues to raise its game. Football Manager has been able to stay ahead of the pack for a very long time but I think the competition is on the right path and determined to actually be competition rather than second best as it has been for a very long time.

From the people I have spoken to, there seem to be more and more people looking to patches to the point now where they ask when is the patch out before the game is even released! This can't be good for the game, it's like people are gearing up for it to fail which shouldn't be the case at all. And Miles Jacobson can reply all he likes about how it sells lots and lots of copies like he did when I previously mentioned this, the real question is how many people actually play and enjoy the game? Because if they do that, they will buy in the future.

Personally, I prefer overall FM07. FM08 has its moments and it seems to be better for my type of games i.e. career games but it is a lot harder in my opinion especially given the financial change. Tactically I don't find it too much harder although I still find it difficult to express specifically what I want the team to do at certain points in the game given all he sliders and tick boxes. Hasn't stopped me being successful but I just think FM07 is more fun.

Not half as fun though as managing in real life!

CowRonaldo
03-01-2008, 16:26
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sad Git:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I really fear for SI and FM '09, because if there isn't any major changes then I fear a huge backlash from the public, something I think SI have been ignoring with dangerously over the last few year's. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The only "Major Change" that SI seem to be considering is getting rid of these forums because in Miles' words:- "I don't think they're very nice any more"... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I feel bad for the moderators, but it's SI's fault for releasing a bugged game.

nymanr
03-01-2008, 18:04
Am actually scared of uninstalling FM08 as i had so much trouble getting it installed. http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Had to do some crazy workaround and extract the contents from the CD to a temp folder on my comp as the game would not install from the CD.

As a hole i am not enjoying FM08. Hated FM07 and still feel FM06 was the best to date (most fun).

Did not like the jump from "fun" to "work" that i experienced between FM06 and FM07 and at first i felt that FM08 was there some where in the middle of these two. Game had problems but could see the potential of the game with the beta patches. This is why i am so frustrated as i find my self asking "how did things go so wrong between beta and full 8.01"?????
Have no problems getting success in the game, but the sheer amount of times i find my self asking the question why did that happen as i play is just horrific.

I like playing in Spain so registration is a problem. I like playing with big teams so World class strikers missing 5 1vs.1/game is a problem. World class players with Free kick ability 18 not being able to get the ball past the wall in over 3 seasons is a problem.
Main issue is that the defense module is still not working correctly. Because of this SI toned down player ability that has caused the 1vs.1 issue and FK issue and terrible longshots.
Defenders are just to stupid and wont close down open midfielders so they just shoot and miss. Defenders wont close down braking wingers or strikers so they get far to many great goal scoring chances.

Mostly i am angry at my self as i swore to my self that i would not go out and buy the game at release as i was so disappointed with the bugs in FM07. Foolishly i did go out and bye the game as i saw that the beta patch was out. Thought that the full version would be just around the corner and that i finally would have a new FM game that i could enjoy. Sadly i was wrong...
But i still have some hope in me for the future

Dregganor
03-01-2008, 18:06
I like FM07 a lot more than 08 right now, and I think a large part of it is the skin. I can't really describe it, I just think I had a better experience with the 07 skin when compared to the 08.. Weird, eh? http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

nymanr
03-01-2008, 18:09
lol really need a edit option for our posts as i just saw some really bad typos in my post. As English is not my first language i really struggle to get thoughts down in to words.

ps i ment "buy" not bye

Fallenone
03-01-2008, 18:51
It's the reason why i stopped playing team fortress 2, oblivion, and other games during this winter break

its fun and dunt fear the complaints, it's only significant depending on your views on football

andyinuk
03-01-2008, 19:07
I enjoy it a lot. Only because I am playing the game with my missus and my friend. For me multiplayer game is infinately better than the single player game. I play single player game only really to try out different tactics and options.

Themistofelis
04-01-2008, 00:41
FM08 sucks thats all , SI made a bad game but of course this is not a big deal , moaning about spending the gigantic amount of 40e is funny.
For those who enjoy the game good for you i wish i could .
As i and many others before me have said too much simulation is killing fun i think SI must go back to game origins , many of us are the same people who enjoyed cm99/00 ; if you load it now and compare it to the latest release it looks like abandonware but it was all fun and we didn't bitch about it , did we?
Big budgets and crew doesn't make success , look at EA sports and Bethesda latest crappy productions, gaming industry is in crisis just because they are trying to add more **** over badly interpreted ideas .
Football speaking i would like a game where the fun is making a team that is a joy to watch , sure managing finances , media , training, transfers and babysitting are parts of the job but the core of everything is how the ball rolls in the grass the sooner SI gets this the better IMHO.

04-01-2008, 04:35
first let me say i have been playing football management games since football manager by Toms came out for the spectrum in the 80's and have enjoyed Football Manager (championship Manager) since the very early 90's. At the time the box had a character on it that to me resembled Ken Dodd and the offices of Collyers was in Putney i believe as i once visited the office.
The purpose of this ramble is to say that at the moment i am playing FIFA Manager, and the reason is the 3D match engine which, when patched via their forums, is pretty realistic. You can see your decisions affecting the game etc. Now the database is nowhere near as good as FM2008, but i don't think that FM can rely o that fact for much longer, i never thought that i would desert SI but unless they move with the times, i think next year i will be updating with FIFA and not FM.
With ea match engine (modified) and the database accuracy of FM plus the attention to detail that FM have in their game we would all be onto a winner ! Think about it !

korzy
04-01-2008, 06:27
I've dropped the game pretty quick after I got exposed to the shots on target ratio bug, ruined the game.

json1901
04-01-2008, 06:40
As a game itself its still the single greatest simulation ever created and we all owe eidos a hell of a lot for filling hours upon hours of our lives.

How people actually find such a difference between yearly versions is beyond me.

Only real standout issue ive so far come across in this years compared to 07,06 is the match engine which seems to of hit somewhat of a low.

Apart from that though i just think its each to their own.

My 2 major issues with CM/FM has always been the lack of transfer activity and completely unrealistic regens, but thats not singling out this years version.

if your 5 years into a new game then its the best thing since sliced bread, if youve become frustrated with your side a season and half in then its the biggest pile of rubbish around, the circle of gaming im afraid!!

makka91
04-01-2008, 07:12
i haven't noticed most of the bugs the only one i have really noticed is the near post attacking headers, board confidence which isn't as bad as what some people on here make out to be, the spanish registration(mainly because ill spend my career on my spurs) haven't noticed 1vs1 bug or through balls one.i am enjoying it but only after i unistalled off computer for a month after not liking it but i am starting to enjoy it alot more but i dont know whether i like it more than 06 or 07 atm...but still a good job SI

jase19
04-01-2008, 07:18
i love it
most people do and only complain about stuff cuz they want an even better experience. or because they are terrible at it and need to vent somewhere.

Jablome
04-01-2008, 13:43
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Sad Git:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I really fear for SI and FM '09, because if there isn't any major changes then I fear a huge backlash from the public, something I think SI have been ignoring with dangerously over the last few year's. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The only "Major Change" that SI seem to be considering is getting rid of these forums because in Miles' words:- "I don't think they're very nice any more"... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now, that is funny.

04-01-2008, 18:12
I like the fact that i can run alot of leagues smoother than on earlier versions. I also like that they have improved the news messages, I dont have to click my way to reject an offer or to see if a player is worthwhile.

Other than that the game is as of today, pure ****!! So untill they fix it im back to Fm2007, with a data update.

unclehulka
04-01-2008, 18:23
The biggest problem I can see is the fault with defender AI. That has been well documented. FM 08 has some nice additions, but really, the match engine in 07 was far superior, despite its bias towards taller players. Really, I don't know why they overhauled the engine. There are other problems, to be sure, but defending is the key problem with this game. It's still playable IMO, but isn't representative of true football. Some have speculated that users want to see more offensive chances, but I (and many others) am more content with a more solid 1-0 score. Offensive players are Godlike and defenders are crap. To compensate, one on ones are almost always ineffective - a cheap trick meant to keep scores down and diminish the deficiencies of the defender AI.

unclehulka
04-01-2008, 18:39
For short-term games I prefer 08. For long-term, 07 is superior. There is a regen problem in 08 which means that after 5 years or so, the game becomes quite "difficult". The regens don't progress quickly enough to become servicable. I'm pretty sure, however, that this is will be fixed in the next patch. Hopefully, the next patch won't nerf our saved games.

rbnrbn
04-01-2008, 18:43
I definately cant complain. How much did i pay? I think it was around £25...and ive most definately got my moneys worth! Am i enjoying it, invariably. When the bugs are sorted, especially in game, im sure there'll be no room to moan. Until then, ill continue playing and continue swearing at my screen.

rbnrbn
04-01-2008, 18:44
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rbnrbn:
I definately cant complain. How much did i pay? I think it was around £25...and ive most definately got my moneys worth! Am i enjoying it, invariably. When the bugs are sorted, especially in game, im sure there'll be no room to moan. Until then, ill continue playing and swearing at my screen. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

rbnrbn
04-01-2008, 18:45
I definately cant complain. How much did i pay? I think it was around £25...and ive most definately got my moneys worth! Am i enjoying it, invariably. When the bugs are sorted, especially in game, im sure there'll be no room to moan. Until then, ill continue playing and swearing at my screen!

unclehulka
04-01-2008, 18:57
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by rbnrbn:
I definately cant complain. How much did i pay? I think it was around £25...and ive most definately got my moneys worth! Am i enjoying it, invariably. When the bugs are sorted, especially in game, im sure there'll be no room to moan. Until then, ill continue playing and swearing at my screen! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
You can say that again.

something less annoying
04-01-2008, 21:12
It's not enjoyable for me at all. The skin is an abomination and the game's bugged to hell. The registration bugs destroy it if you don't fancy playing in England. The media stuff is tedious and the team talks an absolute disaster. I haven't been able to get far enough into the game to see what happens with the regens but judging by what I've read on the forums it'll only get worse with time.

I hold little hope for 8.0.2. There's stuff from 06 and 07 that still hasn't been fixed yet, so how can anyone honestly believe the new problems will be properly dealt with? I'm seriously hoping for a massive change for FM09.

I went back to 01/02 for a while, which was good fun, then back to 07 because of the lack of depth. SI need to sit and play the game and think very hard about every screen and piece of interaction they come across. Does it need to be there? Is it enhancing my enjoyment of this game?

rooneymagic88
05-01-2008, 08:28
I am enjoying it just as much as other versions and I am still crap at it!!

cruyff14
05-01-2008, 10:10
I have always loved the game and will always stay loyal to it and here comes the but.. I do think this game looks and feels very rushed and kind of tacky for some reason I do hate the 32 shots on goal a game and lose 1-0 and my new pet hate get 4 goals disallowed in a game and therefore lose other than that I hope the next patch sorts this out and gives it a more realistic match engine !

GoodIdea
05-01-2008, 10:14
http://www.thedugout.tv/community/showthread.php?t=42135

This is a thread on the website "The Dugout". Most of them feel as though the game is beyond fun, and is boring.

Fantazm
05-01-2008, 11:34
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by nymanr:
Hated FM07 and still feel FM06 was the best to date (most fun).

Did not like the jump from "fun" to "work" that i experienced between FM06 and FM07 and at first i felt that FM08 was there some where in the middle of these two. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You may say your English isn't the best mate but you've pretty much summed up the way I've felt about all 3 games there.

For all it's bugged annoying-ness I'm enjoying 08 more than 07, but less than 06.

Giziar
05-01-2008, 11:45
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GoodIdea:
http://www.thedugout.tv/community/showthread.php?t=42135

This is a thread on the website "The Dugout". Most of them feel as though the game is beyond fun, and is boring. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

While it's true that a plurality of the people say that the game is beyond fun the majority of the people say that they like it the way it is now (combine the answers "Yes it has become too hardcore but I like it this way" together with "No it's not too hardcore, it's okay like it is now")

gazzamcg
05-01-2008, 12:37
The problem is the game isn't hardcore enough.

It's far to simplistic and boring.

It's time for the game to evolve.

FOREST_4_EVA!!!
05-01-2008, 13:07
I definitely enjoy fm 08 and i do believe that in overall it is a slight inprovement from 07. The match engine has become more realistic and currently i'm in the middle of my 5th season.

However i can see the frustration of those who are unhappy with the board/fan confidence. On another game i was Spain and drew to bulgaria 1-1 in a euro 2008 group game, the fans were happyish. I made it the quarter finals and beat rivals portugal, played well but the fans were slightly dissapointed despite the team playing reasonably well and ending the spell of Spanish underachievment which hasn't seen them do especially well in any major tournament for quite a while! http://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

One the other hand however, FM 08 is a gr8 game and is definitely enjoyable and much better than its nearest managerial gaming rival of Championship Manager. http://community.sigames.com/customicons/icon14.gif

Liverpool24
05-01-2008, 13:19
i love the game its great but am getting annoyed because of the board and fan confidence, i didnt have greatest first season came 3rd but so far am first and was by a long way but they still werent happy and i am still in CL so that gets annoying and the match engine keeps giving matches to lowly positioned teams despite me getting 70 percent possesion and about 30 shots but besides that i love it.

05-01-2008, 16:30
enjoy it until the keeper palms one out at bramall lane to an onrushing Jermaine Beckford and he cannons the post from two yards and screws the rebound wide as he hasnt connected properly

milamber
05-01-2008, 20:24
I'm loving it!

2nd season I had serious tactical problems after I'd been cracked. Once I got that sorted out I was relieved.

Spanish Reg bug is my one irritant.

Powermonger
06-01-2008, 00:09
I'm frustrated with FM08, especially tactically and the difficulty of maintaining consistancy. Sometimes I win games billed as close matches by 3-0 and then when I'm clear favourite I lose 2-0. The lack of information to help with tweaking tactics just makes the whole experience even more of a headache.

nicmercer
06-01-2008, 01:50
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by A True Fan:
Love it, can't stop playing it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

its only a game for christs sake and a good one hear hear

06-01-2008, 02:27
No matter if I win or lose, I really enjoy playing this game.

A little less when I lose but I always return to it for some reasonhttp://community.sigames.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif