Hazzydeepy Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 As you may or may not know, if you tweak sliders (player or team) after creating a tactic on the wizard, then the touchline instructions do not work. So you basically can either 1) create the tactic via the wizard and then tweak the sliders to get it 'just right' but you cant use the touchline instructions or 2) creare the tactic via the wizard, forget about the sliders really and just use the tactic instructions to change things. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranbir Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 The touchlines will work if you don't check box them as customised. I think the next step would be to still be able to influence the sliders we've manually set to shift up or down with touchline. Or have access to those customised sliders without having to go into the main tactics page. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzydeepy Posted October 26, 2009 Author Share Posted October 26, 2009 Yes - to influence sliders that we have set up ourselves via the touchline instructions would be great for FM 11. For me, I find that the tactics wizard sets the sliders too far/ too low to where I would want it , so thats why I tweak the sliders. Btw, what do you mean 'the touchlines will work if you don't check box them as customised'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranbir Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Well if we have the sliders set manually, then the touchline instructions can't do anything to it. I can't say "play wider" to push the width slider further up if was initially set in a position of my choosing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzydeepy Posted October 26, 2009 Author Share Posted October 26, 2009 Yes - I understand you now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bromley Raven Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 I use the wizard and touchline instructions. I don't touch the sliders at all. This is because it feels, to me, more realistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzydeepy Posted October 26, 2009 Author Share Posted October 26, 2009 I understand Bromley, but when I set up tactics on the tactic wizard and just check the sliders and they seem too extreme for me. I want to stay away from it, but I guess its just habit to tweak it so that things 'fit' better. Doesnt anyone else find this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArranoBeltza Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 The first option all the way!!! The new tactical system is much easier, more intuitive, more realistic, and more fun. I always had trouble with sliders but so far in the demo I was able to create a tactic for my Athletic Bilbao side that saw them over-achieve, and I got the most out of almost all of my players. If they weren't playing the way I wanted them to, the touchline instructions fixed that much easier than the use of sliders had in FM09. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelonely Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 SI has really failed and this is probably the biggest mistake in the game. Why the hell would they sacrifice the tweaking for advanced players? The touchline instructions for strategies is completely useless if you have ticked a box in your strategy. So how can SI fix this problem? Well, the strategies should be customized. So you should be able to make your own strategies and use them in touchline instructions. The smaller fix would be to overwrite the "ticked boxes" Can anyone from SI take a look at the problem? We should probably make a post in the "bug" forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVS_Gooner4life Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 *Touchline Instructions after using the wizard. Sliders sucks, should had been removed earlier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzydeepy Posted October 26, 2009 Author Share Posted October 26, 2009 I guess I am going to force myself to forget sliders and just concentrate on the more realistic way of touchline shouts and tactic wizard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Girondins Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 S.I. should really take note of this poll and its results. Its pretty damn evident how their bread is buttered tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMagpies Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 I hate the sliders, and I always have, as they are unrepresentative of football/footballing terminology thanks to the wizard i never ever have to look at them directly again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzydeepy Posted October 26, 2009 Author Share Posted October 26, 2009 S.I. should really take note of this poll and its results. Its pretty damn evident how their bread is buttered tbh. Yeh - the poll is showing that most people are forgetting abot sliders now - which can only really be a good thing because it isnt ultimately realistic is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indi75 Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 Overwhelming success for SI tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Aja Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 A mixture of 1 and 2. I vow never to use the classic sliders again. Oh yeah Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Islander Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I'm new to this wizard thing and touchline shouts. So when I choose attacking offense and review my 2 forwards and see the mentality is "way" to the right, if I bring them back a little bit, are you saying NONE of my shouts will work? It lets me make the shouts and then says pending and then apparently goes into effect. But what I'm hearing here is that all is for naught. No shouts will work. Is this correct? What if I "specific" man mark by checking the box for a DC for example? Will this negate "shouts" from working? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astley Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Classic sliders for me. SI i know people like the new system and rhats great but please keep the sliders too like in FM10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzydeepy Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 I'm new to this wizard thing and touchline shouts. So when I choose attacking offense and review my 2 forwards and see the mentality is "way" to the right, if I bring them back a little bit, are you saying NONE of my shouts will work? It lets me make the shouts and then says pending and then apparently goes into effect. But what I'm hearing here is that all is for naught. No shouts will work. Is this correct?What if I "specific" man mark by checking the box for a DC for example? Will this negate "shouts" from working? I'm entirely sure - but I do think that be editing any sliders, that will mean that the shouts won't work. I hope that specific man marking doesn't negate it from working though. I also don't know whether things like tight marking and tick box instructions affect the shouts. Would be great if someone could answer this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blanchflower1 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 *Touchline Instructions after using the wizard.Sliders sucks, should had been removed earlier. I agree with you here that sliders suck! They should have removed it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhroX Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I agree with you here that sliders suck! They should have removed it! Why should they remove sliders? How does it hurt anyone leaving them in the game? If you don't want to use them, don't... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVS_Gooner4life Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 That's true, i know i said that they should had been removed but no harm leaving both in the game i suppose, guys like wwfan has done a brilliant work with the sliders and even though i never managed to read through it all it should still be left as an option for those who wants the sliders and who like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maran Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 If I have a ticked box in player instructions (e.g. Fabregas set as a Deep-Lying Playmaker, but having set his "runs from deep" to "sometimes" as opposed to "rarely" as it is set by default), will this disable me from using touch-line instructions? Or is it just when the Team Instructions are edited? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukekarts Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 We first got the tactics interface in FM Live a few months back. At the time I don't think it was too well received - to top teams at least, because it didn't mesh well with the pre-FM09 Match Engine we are using. However, with the latest ME, its faults to one side, the tactical interface works really well. There are still some shouts that don't seem to be as effective as I would like, however very specific ones such as focusing play centrally or down the flanks, pumping the ball forwards etc. can change a game. I think the next logical step for SI would be to remove the background sliders completely, however additional layers to the interface would be needed (e.g. I manually change nearly all my players Long Shots to rarely, as the tactics interface doesn't do this for me). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzydeepy Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 I would like to know the answer to Marans questions also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMagpies Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I would like to know the answer to Marans questions also. you can still use touchline shouts 1 player will now ignore some of them (the ones affected by the change u made) 9 players will happily follow them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milk Lizard Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 The sliders has always been one of my biggest complaints about fm so i will try not to use them much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
|mmo Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 you can still use touchline shouts1 player will now ignore some of them (the ones affected by the change u made) 9 players will happily follow them Ok, so that means that when changing a slider ONLY that particular slider value is not affected by the touchline shout? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzydeepy Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 ^ Well if I understand correctly, if you tweak a player instruction slider, then the touchline shout that realtes to that will not be followed by that certain player - but all thes other will. If you tweak a team instructions slider then the shout that relates to that only becomes unusable. So am I right in saying that only a CERTAIN touchline shout dont work only if you have tweaked the slider that DIRECTLY RELATES to it and the others will work perfectly fine? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVS_Gooner4life Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Well sooner or later sliders need to go, it's just to old fashioned system. But perhaps will remain for few more yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzydeepy Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 ^ Well if I understand correctly, if you tweak a player instruction slider, then the touchline shout that realtes to that will not be followed by that certain player - but all thes other will. If you tweak a team instructions slider then the shout that relates to that only becomes unusable. So am I right in saying that only a CERTAIN touchline shout dont work only if you have tweaked the slider that DIRECTLY RELATES to it and the others will work perfectly fine? Can someone please confirm this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maran Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Just to clear something up. Will the player still adhere to my touchline instruction(s) if i have ticked his set piece boxes and edited them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranbir Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Yes they will. All except what may have changed the set piece instructions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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