PGB_SPURS_FM09 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/blogs/football-manager-2010/Football-Manager-2010-new-features-blog-Day-22-improvements-to-scouting-and-player-searching-article177833.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neopherus Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 darnation! I was just about to post it!!! *grr* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
silva_gunner Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Miles is getting really slack isn't he... I guess we just have to hope he's uploading the demo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ely-matty Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Miles is getting really slack isn't he... I guess we just have to hope he's uploading the demo. i think that the game is going gold... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGB_SPURS_FM09 Posted October 2, 2009 Author Share Posted October 2, 2009 darnation! I was just about to post it!!! *grr* lol well if i can do it whilst playin fifa10 then why can't he Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theres only one ALI DIA! Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Something returning to the series that we can’t work out why it went in the first place is that when setting up a player search, you can now use an option to match x out of y attributes to get a better chance of finding a player as good, or nearly as good, as you want to. Yes I loved this feature, was gutted when it got took out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGB_SPURS_FM09 Posted October 2, 2009 Author Share Posted October 2, 2009 the computer controlled scouts and managers are hungrier than ever before when it comes to snapping up the players that they need too. I hope this is done correctly... Like the previous FM where managers would sign players that they didn't need to... OR if they did sign someone in a position where they already have someone(eg man city buying luis fabiano despite having adebayor and tevez and bellamy when they only play 1 striker) then they would make available one of those 3 strikers to the rest of FM as they don't need 4 strikers! It's just very annoying when teams sign players needlessly and they just never play and leave the club 6 months later for half the price. Have to wait and see in the demo i guess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman_uk123 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I hope this is done correctly... Like the previous FM where managers would sign players that they didn't need to... OR if they did sign someone in a position where they already have someone(eg man city buying luis fabiano despite having adebayor and tevez and bellamy when they only play 1 striker) then they would make available one of those 3 strikers to the rest of FM as they don't need 4 strikers!It's just very annoying when teams sign players needlessly and they just never play and leave the club 6 months later for half the price. Have to wait and see in the demo i guess To be fair that does happen in real life. Clubs do hold onto players, and not give them away, so I don't see why it is such an issue here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGB_SPURS_FM09 Posted October 2, 2009 Author Share Posted October 2, 2009 All you have to do is go a few years into the game and most teams are overloaded with players in most positions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Miles Jacobson Posted October 2, 2009 SI Staff Share Posted October 2, 2009 It's actually no.22 and no.23 all in one... As for slack, well, I'm not the one camped out on MirrorFootball's website, and was only told a few minutes ago it was live. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM5 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 how about postcard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death. Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 One thing i thought would be a good addition to the filter is to be able to search plays with certain preferred moves. For certain players you tend to have a good idea of how you want them to play, strikers for instance (such as "Moves into channels" or "Likes to beat offside trap"), defensive midfielders ("Dives into tackles") and such. I thought this would be quite helpful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Liam Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I'm liking the new player filters, especially the trained in club/nation one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Is the masking on positions optional? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Glad that the 'trained in club / nation' got implemented. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Something returning to the series that we can’t work out why it went in the first place is that when setting up a player search, you can now use an option to match x out of y attributes to get a better chance of finding a player as good, or nearly as good, as you want to.Yes I loved this feature, was gutted when it got took out. One of the mysteries of FM... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGB_SPURS_FM09 Posted October 2, 2009 Author Share Posted October 2, 2009 It's actually no.22 and no.23 all in one... As for slack, well, I'm not the one camped out on MirrorFootball's website, and was only told a few minutes ago it was live. There is a character restriction on the title so i couldn't write it all in. Which is also why i had to Shortened it to FM10 aswell Also... i copy and pasted the title from the mirror website anyway... so in a way its your fault that it didn't say blog 22 and 23 that is presuming you wrote the title for the blog on the mirror site I wasn't just sitting on the mirror site - i guess i just got lucky timing wise as to looking for it on mirror x Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearsy Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I am assuming that if scouting is more realistic, when you manage Newcastle you can view players performances and highlights from youtube! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Is the masking on positions optional? the most controversial feature so far!!! it's going to get a bit tedious having to scout every player just to see this, for me personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio MVP Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 ''Oh, and filters added for both “trained in nation”and “trained at clubs perfect for searching for players to make up the necessary numbers in your squad with the prevalence of rules necessitating them.'' I like this A LOT! But, that about positions gets (N) from me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatboyjohnmulhern Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 the most controversial feature so far!!!it's going to get a bit tedious having to scout every player just to see this, for me personally. Well if a player has eg AMR/C and his natural postion is central midfield, then you can kinda of guess that he can play right winger as well etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Well if a player has eg AMR/C and his natural postion is central midfield, then you can kinda of guess that he can play right winger as well etc I think they'll have that hidden too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZBruntsfield Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Is the masking on positions optional? Yeah, I'm interested to know this too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Well if a player has eg AMR/C and his natural postion is central midfield, then you can kinda of guess that he can play right winger as well etc you've just hit the nail on the head. what if he can't play 'MR' ? this system will be flawed because the FM positioning is flawed. people being able to play AMR (green) but cannot play MR (red) is UNREALISTIC and not fun. this will make it worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MECAP Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 just wondering if scout reports SPAM can be reduced - get message with final report, not 2 - 3 reports several days, if I want to check progress I'd check the progress myself ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaCeR Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 i´ve been waiting for this.. and I think I have mentioned this somewhere too, that the positions should be masked and ppm´s too. really nice! KUTGW! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Aja Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Getting very excited right about now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 you've just hit the nail on the head.what if he can't play 'MR' ? this system will be flawed because the FM positioning is flawed. people being able to play AMR (green) but cannot play MR (red) is UNREALISTIC and not fun. this will make it worse. Actually, that's impossible now. All players who can play AMR/L/C or DM can also play the corresponding regular position (MR for AMR, MC for DM, etc.). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
T3hB3n... Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 A little off topic, but is the podcast up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Miles Jacobson Posted October 2, 2009 SI Staff Share Posted October 2, 2009 A little off topic, but is the podcast up? Nope - we're waiting for someone else to upload it to us, and that hasn't happened yet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Miles Jacobson Posted October 3, 2009 SI Staff Share Posted October 3, 2009 Is the masking on positions optional? Yes, you can turn off attribute masking, and that turns off position masking too. You can't turn off one and not the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Yeah, that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification Miles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Actually, that's impossible now. All players who can play AMR/L/C or DM can also play the corresponding regular position (MR for AMR, MC for DM, etc.). it's not impossible at all. there are players that start the game that are 'orange' for MR but 'green' on AMR. i've also seen regens that are just 'green' on WBL - and red on left back. so the only position they can play is wing back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 It's impossible to have no ability there though. I agree that the wing backs are annoying. I suppose SI must have a dilemma- are they attacking full backs, or defensive wingers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dz47 Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 it's not impossible at all. there are players that start the game that are 'orange' for MR but 'green' on AMR.i've also seen regens that are just 'green' on WBL - and red on left back. so the only position they can play is wing back. i think he means that on fm10 (because of the changes to tactics set up) that positions will be more generalised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 just wondering if scout reports SPAM can be reduced - get message with final report, not 2 - 3 reports several days, if I want to check progress I'd check the progress myself ... I'm assuming all the information will come in the pre-match meeting rather than drip-drip. I'm really looking forward to this feature. "asking price" filter, "homegrown" filter, "match x out of y" filter - YES YES YES!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rnickster Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 OT but has there been a screenshot of a player profile yet ? I cant seem to find one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zutcorp Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Regarding filters: in FML you can choose how you see you players stats and make your own filters. Ie. if I want to have a DC (instead of the defensive skills you have in fm09) I can setup all the skills related to DC and just see them. Is this in FM10 as well? I found, when going back to fm09, I really missed it and found the fm09 default views too constricting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misodoctakleidist Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Does this mean we'll have to scout Christiano Ronaldo to find out that he can play MR, ML, AML, AMC, and FC as well as AMR? If so that's pretty unrealistic because we all know about Ronaldo's versatility. Surely the reputation of the player should determine which of his non-natural positions are masked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donners Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Does this mean we'll have to scout Christiano Ronaldo to find out that he can play MR, ML, AML, AMC, and FC as well as AMR? If so that's pretty unrealistic because we all know about Ronaldo's versatility. Surely the reputation of the player should determine which of his non-natural positions are masked. I think it's safe to assume that position masking works the same as attribute masking, which does take into account player reputation in how much it reveals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misodoctakleidist Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 I think it's safe to assume that position masking works the same as attribute masking, which does take into account player reputation in how much it reveals. I hope that's true, but Miles seemed to imply otherwise in his blog. The way I understood it is that we know every player's natural position straight away, but have to scout them to find their non-natural positions. The other problem I have with this is that it's unrealistic to know the natural position of every single player in world football. Why not mask some of these too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spankie Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Yes, you can turn off attribute masking, and that turns off position masking too. You can't turn off one and not the other. So its an improvement on the "fog of war" It's about time that was improved. I take it that if a scout is searching through a country he'll unlock the hidden positions and show them in his report. Or would the quality of the scout and how many times the player has been scouted or watched would be needed to show all of the players positions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MECAP Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 will AI scouts get their country knowledge increased or it will be locked to start point ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkymwnci Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Something returning to the series that we can’t work out why it went in the first place is that when setting up a player search, you can now use an option to match x out of y attributes to get a better chance of finding a player as good, or nearly as good, as you want to.Yes I loved this feature, was gutted when it got took out. Absolutely delighted too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Miles Jacobson Posted October 3, 2009 SI Staff Share Posted October 3, 2009 I think it's safe to assume that position masking works the same as attribute masking, which does take into account player reputation in how much it reveals. It does work in the same way. So its an improvement on the "fog of war" It's about time that was improved. I take it that if a scout is searching through a country he'll unlock the hidden positions and show them in his report. Or would the quality of the scout and how many times the player has been scouted or watched would be needed to show all of the players positions? There could be information on the report, but it would always appear in the position screen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio MVP Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Yes, you can turn off attribute masking, and that turns off position masking too. You can't turn off one and not the other. Now that's more like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vilosophe Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Is the amount of time to scouting a player improved or we can again have a full report after only few days ? I think it's unrealist the scouting time how we have in FM. In real world teams take several months to have a full profile of the player's quality, while in FM is very very easy obtain that: we can send a scout 3 times in row and in 3 days we know all about player (even if he didn't play matches) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightymind Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Miles, Could we expect somthing like that : The excellent scout ( to be defined ) will give you in 2 weeks ( to be defined ) : - the full scout report - the real stats A worst scout will give you in 2 weeks : - a small report - hidden attributes A bad scout will give you after 2 weeks more ( 2nd trip ) : - a full report - hidden stats A bad scout will give you after 2 weeks more ( 3rd trip ) : - a full report - real stats A normal scout will give you after 4 weeks ( 1 trip ) : - a full report - real stats So the risk exists : -you wait and another club buy the player - you buy the player after 1 trip and you will get or no surprises ( attributes appears ) This is my idea to make it simple and keep the attributes as it is right now ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tottenhamfmo7 Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Cheers Miles, decent blog! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 Bringing back the "X out of Y" on searching, as well as being able to list by asking price, and filter by Homegrown status! Such small additions that'll make such a massive difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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